Does anyone know this breeder -- Eden Valley?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

WHO IS MAKING THESE RULES???
Many fine top breeders have web sites to show what they have achieved. I refer to their sites to see photo's of what's new in the ring and enjoy pic's of old champions I have seen in their career.

I see nothing unethical about a breeder simply stating...."pets for sale to approved homes" when they have pets...how else can the public buy from reputable breeders if they can not find reputable breeders...I do not think there is a need to list the pic and prices, with paypal check out like an ebay purchase..but let the public know there are options besides a pet shop.

PS..many top breeders perfer advertizing wins in breed magazines..

I think some people may have been confused because many of us say, watch out for breeders who say, "Champions in the bloodline", as this is more of a marketing technique, or sales pitch then adding any educational information about a breeding program.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

I thought "reputable" breeders didn't advertise their championships? Does it really matter who got the championship?The original owner or the past owner? Either the dog is a champion or has champions in its line or it is not. Not trying to start an argument, just seems like there are different rules for different people, as such hard to tell what's really right. There are all sorts of ways to say: "Champion Bloodlines" and "breeding champions since ..." is just another way of saying it (IMO)

I don't particularly see a problem with reputable breeders sharing that they have championed a dog. After all, they put in a lot of work to achieve that recognition, no reason to be shy about sharing it. However, it does seem sketchy to me to say that you have champions somewhere in the line if you aren't the one who actually did it.

Back to the OP. It's a shame that scammers will try and steal someone's hard work through sneaky means. On a related note to those of you who have a breeding program , website,blog or even just post photos here on YT; take a simple precaution and and watermark your pictures to help keep them from being lifted and used by someone else. It's easy to do in Photoshop Elements (just create a semi-transparent layer over your photo with your identifying info on it) . You can also do it in Picassa photo editing software- it's free. If anyone needs some help with it, please PM me and I will be glad to help you.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by kjcmsw

I thought "reputable" breeders didn't advertise their championships? Does it really matter who got the championship?The original owner or the past owner? Either the dog is a champion or has champions in its line or it is not. Not trying to start an argument, just seems like there are different rules for different people, as such hard to tell what's really right. There are all sorts of ways to say: "Champion Bloodlines" and "breeding champions since ..." is just another way of saying it (IMO)

Not speaking for all, but my opinion is that there is nothing at all wrong with mentioning or advertising your championships when they are specific -- for instance this breeder has pedigrees available, so you can see who in the lines are championed. If you say champion-sired -- again that is specific -- we can see the championship was awarded to the puppies' sire, same with "champion grand-sired." The problem is that some "not-as-ethical" of breeders use terms like "Champion bloodlines" to draw in customers when there may be only sporadic champions far back in the pedigree, not bred by the seller and not really indicative of the puppies' quality.

I don't think there is anything wrong with saying champion bloodlines -- just needs some justification/explanation. When they are vague, there is usually reason for it. So for me, the only time I see anything wrong at all with mentioning champions is when the breeder is using it to make a litter APPEAR more closely related to champions or even make the breeder appear to have something to do with champions when it is not the case. Seeing Champion Bloodlines should just make a buyer look more closely. If there is nothing substantial to back up the claim, then it is just being used as a marketing ploy. But if the breeder has pedigrees available, the championships are close to the litter (sire/grand-sire), or the breeder is responsible for breeding champions -- then it is really telling you something good about the puppies history.

[Brooklynn]

[QUOTE=Rhetts_mama;3381828]I don't particularly see a problem with reputable breeders sharing that they have championed a dog. After all, they put in a lot of work to achieve that recognition, no reason to be shy about sharing it. However, it does seem sketchy to me to say that you have champions somewhere in the line if you aren't the one who actually did it.

Back to the OP. It's a shame that scammers will try and steal someone's hard work through sneaky means. On a related note to those of you who have a breeding program , website,blog or even just post photos here on YT; take a simple precaution and and watermark your pictures to help keep them from being lifted and used by someone else. It's easy to do in Photoshop Elements (just create a semi-transparent layer over your photo with your identifying info on it) . You can also do it in Picassa photo editing software- it's free. If anyone needs some help with it, please PM me and I will be glad to help you.[/QUOTE]

Wanna do my whole website? ROFL...I have to do that and haven't UGH! I've had a photo of Radar stolen and someone caught it and told me and I had a friend of mine contact this person and point out it was a copyright enfringement and they took it off immediately especially when lawyers were mentioned.


Donna

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I don't particularly see a problem with reputable breeders sharing that they have championed a dog. After all, they put in a lot of work to achieve that recognition, no reason to be shy about sharing it. However, it does seem sketchy to me to say that you have champions somewhere in the line if you aren't the one who actually did it.

Back to the OP. It's a shame that scammers will try and steal someone's hard work through sneaky means. On a related note to those of you who have a breeding program , website,blog or even just post photos here on YT; take a simple precaution and and watermark your pictures to help keep them from being lifted and used by someone else. It's easy to do in Photoshop Elements (just create a semi-transparent layer over your photo with your identifying info on it) . You can also do it in Picassa photo editing software- it's free. If anyone needs some help with it, please PM me and I will be glad to help you.

Does that watermark stay on permanently? Ie; if someone has photoediting software couldn't they just remove it?

[OwnedByJezebel]

Originally Posted by gemy

Does that watermark stay on permanently? Ie; if someone has photoediting software couldn't they just remove it?

If you have a transparent overlay on your photo, when someone tries to copy the picture by doing a "right click" then "copy" or "copy image," all they are able to copy is the transparent overlay and they can't get to the photo underneath.

I guess (but I don't know, someone correct me if I'm wrong) they could do a screen grab, then open it up in photo editing software, crop the image to include only the photo, and maybe then remove the watermark. Someone looking for shortcuts is probably going to move on to some other picture rather than go to so much trouble (hopefully). I guess for someone dishonest, there is always a way to get around most anything.

Update: I did hear back from Delores. She has sent the scammer / thief a cease and desist notice, and I gave her the email address for reporting copyright violations to dot tk.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

If you have a transparent overlay on your photo, when someone tries to copy the picture by doing a "right click" then "copy" or "copy image," all they are able to copy is the transparent overlay and they can't get to the photo underneath.

I guess (but I don't know, someone correct me if I'm wrong) they could do a screen grab, then open it up in photo editing software, crop the image to include only the photo, and maybe then remove the watermark. Someone looking for shortcuts is probably going to move on to some other picture rather than go to so much trouble (hopefully). I guess for someone dishonest, there is always a way to get around most anything.

Update: I did hear back from Delores. She has sent the scammer / thief a cease and desist notice, and I gave her the email address for reporting copyright violations to dot tk.

Thanks for taking care of this.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by gemy

Does that watermark stay on permanently? Ie; if someone has photoediting software couldn't they just remove it?

I know with my program, you register the photo with the photo editing program, i.e. Paint Shop Pro, and I think that gives you more proof. Here's more information: https://www.digimarc.com/DigimarcForImages/welcome.asp. There is nothing written across the photo, it's digitally embedded, although when it's written across the photo, it might discourage more people.

[OwnedByJezebel]

My pleasure.

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

Update: I did hear back from Delores. She has sent the scammer / thief a cease and desist notice, and I gave her the email address for reporting copyright violations to dot tk.

I bet she was very grateful to you for finding it and tracking her down to let her know! Nice to have good people watching out!

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

If you have a transparent overlay on your photo, when someone tries to copy the picture by doing a "right click" then "copy" or "copy image," all they are able to copy is the transparent overlay and they can't get to the photo underneath.

I guess (but I don't know, someone correct me if I'm wrong) they could do a screen grab, then open it up in photo editing software, crop the image to include only the photo, and maybe then remove the watermark. Someone looking for shortcuts is probably going to move on to some other picture rather than go to so much trouble (hopefully). I guess for someone dishonest, there is always a way to get around most anything.

If you do a watermark in PSE, either through the watermark feature (through batch processing) or by creating your own overlay, they can grab the whole image. But since you flatten the layers and save the whole thing as a jpeg it's difficult to remove the copyright. They have to physically go in and clone pixels to try and remove it. It's a PIA and will discourage the average scammer or picture thief. Of the two methods in PSE, I prefer creating a new layer to make the watermark. It gives you more control over where it's placed and the opacity. I highly recommend watermarking across the pic of the dog with the kennel name. The automated version limits you to right bottom corner, left bottom corner or dead center of the pic. By having it limited, it's easy to just crop around the watermark.

The digital watermark is good if you want to track down where your pics end up. But, it's expensive and there is no visible watermark to deter thieves.

[Furbaby Friend]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

If you have a transparent overlay on your photo, when someone tries to copy the picture by doing a "right click" then "copy" or "copy image," all they are able to copy is the transparent overlay and they can't get to the photo underneath.

I guess (but I don't know, someone correct me if I'm wrong) they could do a screen grab, then open it up in photo editing software, crop the image to include only the photo, and maybe then remove the watermark. Someone looking for shortcuts is probably going to move on to some other picture rather than go to so much trouble (hopefully). I guess for someone dishonest, there is always a way to get around most anything.

Update: I did hear back from Delores. She has sent the scammer / thief a cease and desist notice, and I gave her the email address for reporting copyright violations to dot tk.

If you put the watermark right in the middle of the photo (e.g. right ON TOP of the pup) they cannot crop it out without ruining the image. Sure it affects the photo a bit, but if done right it isn't TOO invasive and it keeps things from getting stolen.

Glad you got to the bottom of this then! I'm happy that she was able to do something about it. Thanks for being a super sleuth!

[OwnedByJezebel]

I have PSE, but I've only used it to do simple stuff. I really need to take the time to play with it and teach myself what it can do. I just spend too much time here!

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

I have PSE, but I've only used it to do simple stuff. I really need to take the time to play with it and teach myself what it can do. I just spend too much time here!

It's really easy. Just create a new layer for your text. Put in what ever you want and play with the size and placement until you like it. Then go over to the layers palette and adjust the transparency until you like it. Then merge your layers together and save.

[Furbaby Friend]

See you can be here and learn PSE at the same time!!! Problem solved thanks to Rhetts_mama.