I need help!!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Good idea. I'm one that believes in consulting with one's vet...nothing should be used just willy nilly. And as I said, I've had input from several vets. My vet in Dallas who sits on the Board of Vets and who I consider one of the best. And of course my repro vet here in California.

In addition, I do have a recipe for a solution that can be used in a pinch. Dextrose is sugar and the recipe calls for sugar, boiled water and a pinch of salt. One night while assisting someone after whelp of a tiny that couldn't suckle.....she contacted me, asking me for the recipe (this was late at night). She used SubQ'd the pup for a period of 48 hours....all the time that was needed. The pup is now 2 years old.

[UrbanYorkie]

My prayers are with Cinnamon and her little ones. I feel your loss, it is okay to mourn, but you have other little ones to ease your pain.

Please have your vet's and other emergency tel#s at hand. They are your best avenues of help and information; even though you have the rest of us for support.

Tons of good luck and kisses to the new fur balls.

Kat

[gardenyorkies]

I don't think it is important to side with one breeder or another...I think that researching the information and making an educated decision is what all of us can do...

Because one vet doesn't agree with another doesn't make one vet "better" or "more qualified" than another...New information about the drugs or medical information is always being updated...I use several vets, one being a reproduction specialist...I will not hesitate to ask any or all of them for information...

With that being said...IMO...if there is a risk of infection or tissue dying from the use of sugar by SubQ injections ....Why risk that when you already have a puppy struggling to survive?...Why lessen their chances of survival when giving them dextrose orally and SubQ fluids without these added risks...The results are the same!

Food for thought~

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

I don't think it is important to side with one breeder or another...I think that researching the information and making an educated decision is what all of us can do...

Because one vet doesn't agree with another doesn't make one vet "better" or "more qualified" than another...New information about the drugs or medical information is always being updated...I use several vets, one being a reproduction specialist...I will not hesitate to ask any or all of them for information...

With that being said...IMO...if there is a risk of infection or tissue dying from the use of sugar by SubQ injections ....Why risk that when you already have a puppy struggling to survive?...Why lessen their chances of survival when giving them dextrose orally and SubQ fluids without these added risks...The results are the same!

Food for thought~

You're absolutely right.....all decisions should be with the input of ones vet. Information provided on a forum is just that, information to take to ones vet to be discussed. Bottom line the person needs to make an educated decision and they are ultimately responsible for their decision.

What I really would like is to have an update from this person.

[gardenyorkies]

Yes an update would be wonderful!

[Woogie Man]

Laura and Mary, I agree with both of you about how we make our decisions. This subject was just one that struck me as having differing veterinary opinions..really stark differences. Either do/don't on this one.

Sorry if I took the thread off track. I'm like everyone else....waiting for an update.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

I don't think it is important to side with one breeder or another...I think that researching the information and making an educated decision is what all of us can do...

Because one vet doesn't agree with another doesn't make one vet "better" or "more qualified" than another...New information about the drugs or medical information is always being updated...I use several vets, one being a reproduction specialist...I will not hesitate to ask any or all of them for information...

With that being said...IMO...if there is a risk of infection or tissue dying from the use of sugar by SubQ injections ....Why risk that when you already have a puppy struggling to survive?...Why lessen their chances of survival when giving them dextrose orally and SubQ fluids without these added risks...The results are the same!

Food for thought~

Can I try to tackle this one, even though I'm not a breeder (just a nurse)?

There is a risk of tissue necrosis with subq dextrose administration, but it's small in comparison to the risks of dehydration and hypoglycemia. Giving Normal Saline or Lactated Ringers will help with the dehydration, but not the caloric needs of a struggling pup. Some pups may be able to tolerate oral glucose. But the smallest and sickest would be at risk for inhalaing the glucose and ending up with aspiration pneumonia.

I've seen D5LR given subq in elderly, dehydrated patients when they are having difficulty getting IV access. It's not ideal, but sometimes it's necessary.

One thing they didn't cover in the article was that more than likely they rotated subq sites for administration. That would help minimize the exposure of tissue to the dextrose. IV's infiltrate all the time, and most of these IV's have dextrose in them. The vast majority of patients don't end up with tissue necrosis because of it.

[Breny]

Hoping your able to update soon. My thoughts have been with you!
Adding: Altho stories and advice are always shared I would never follow the advice of a forum and only go by what your vet tells you. (my opinion)

Hoping your home caring for mom and babies.

[FlDebra]

I have been folowing this thread and praying for the little ones along with momma. Learning too! I was hoping for an update and hope the lack of one only means OP is busy, busy with care. I know it is heartbreaking to lose some of the puppies but your momma dog is still doing well and I can't express how great that is to hear! I do hope the last puppy was delivered without further problem and mom can be well-evaluated for any problems that may have led to her pre-eclampsia.

Sending prayer for strength -- you will need it. That first week is something else! Handfeeding a litter of puppies was more draining on me than any of my human newborn babies were! Set an alarm, even during the day for feeding times every two hours as you will get so tired, you may dose off. I had 5 and it seemed like almost as soon as I would get all five fed, burped, and pottied (you have to stimulate both pee & poop, then clean) it was just about time to start all over again.

As important as it is to keep them warm, be very careful not to keep them too warm as it will dehydrate them. I was first using a heat lamp and decided it was providing too much warmth(I was not fighting winter temps though). To test them to see if they are dehydrating, pull up a pinch of skin, it should bounce back to normal and not stay "pinched up." Staying pinched up means dehydration. If it is something like overheating, reduce the heat source. But if that is not the case, then the sub q liquids might be in order. Thankfully I never had to do that so have no experience to offer on that count. I went with a puppy heating pad under my clear plastic rubbermade whelping box. I put it under half of the box so the puppies could get away from the heat if they needed to. I also bought them one of those big stuffed cats (they were out of the dog ones) that has a battery-operated heart that beats and a rice bag to heat in the microwave to go inside. They loved that thing and they would all find a place on it to curl up & sleep between feedings.

I am pulling for you and your pups. Will keep checking in to hear the news.

[smepperson]

Have been following this thread as well and we are looking forward to a positive update for Mom and babies...Sending healing, postive thoughts and prayers to you and your family...♥

[karak333]

hi everyone, I am so sorry for not giving an update sooner... I have been going through a lot.. unfortunately all the puppies have died..... they were just too early.... I never even got a chance to see any of the puppies except for the first one.... Cinnamon is still at the vet because she started running a fever and they wanted her to stay so they could observe her for a while until the fever let up... I don't even know what else to say... I have heard about these things happening but I guess I just never prepared myself for it to happen to me... if they had just stayed in there a couple more days they probably would have been fine ..... thank you though for all ya'lls prayer, advice, and support. I just hope Cinnamon is going to be okay.... again, thank ya'll..

[Woogie Man]

I'm so sorry to hear about the pups. The survival rate for pups that early is low, but we were trying to offer you care tips in the event some of them made it.

I wish you the best for Cinnamon. Does the vet have an idea on why she's running a fever? Has he discussed having her spayed with you? Any future pregnancies would be high risk as she is prone to eclampsia recurring.

Continued prayers for Cinnamon. I'm sure you're both heartbroken over the pups and worried about Cinnamon. I hope she makes a full recovery. Please post again with an update on her.

Again, very sorry for your loss.

[roseslevi]

So sorry to here about the puppies. Please keep us posted on Cinnamon's progress. As Woogie Man has stated we will all continue our prayers for her full recovery.

[Gmaof18]

So sorry about ur loss..can't imagine.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by karak333

hi everyone, I am so sorry for not giving an update sooner... I have been going through a lot.. unfortunately all the puppies have died..... they were just too early.... I never even got a chance to see any of the puppies except for the first one.... Cinnamon is still at the vet because she started running a fever and they wanted her to stay so they could observe her for a while until the fever let up... I don't even know what else to say... I have heard about these things happening but I guess I just never prepared myself for it to happen to me... if they had just stayed in there a couple more days they probably would have been fine ..... thank you though for all ya'lls prayer, advice, and support. I just hope Cinnamon is going to be okay.... again, thank ya'll..

I am so sorry that things went that way. I hope Cinnamon is better and home with you soon.