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Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL
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| ![]() You could try the USDA as most mills are licensed with the USDA.
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Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL
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| ![]() I'll try this again -- did not mean to post that before I was done but I had to leave the computer for a bit and evidently hit reply.... You could try the USDA as most mills are licensed with the USDA. But I doubt anyone has those particular statistics because most puppymills and BYBs claim to be reputable breeders until they are caught in such blatant violations the law steps in and takes their dogs. This site says APR is the most used puppymill registry: Why Choose a COE Breeder? I have read some from their site before as I like the way they run the registration -- they register no dogs from pet stores, mills, etc...It is a closed registry. There are a few other dog breed clubs doing this as well but they seem to be the more rare breeds (Pointing Griffin for example). I would love to see the Yorkshire Terrier breed have a closed registry so that we could put some health restrictions on breeding. I am going mostly on what I see and read. When I was allowing myself to go into pet stores that sold dogs & cats, I was seeing mostly ACA, APR and CKC here. Most of the YT members that have problems and find their dogs came from a mill, seem to say they are registered with non-AKC registries. Since the whole history of the other registries tells me the puppymills were their main founders -- stands to reason, most of them will be non-AKC. Although a great many operate with dual-registeries so that they can claim to be an AKC kennel, but they have the back up registery in case they get caught when DNA shows the wrong parents are listed on papers, or AKC inspections wind up banning them. The AKC is also the only non-profit registery. (according to wikipedia). In 2006 they actually entered into a contract with Petland (supplied by the Hunte corporation -- biggest pet store supplier of puppies) but they bowed to the the instant disapproval of dog enthusiasts and rescinded that contract. So -- like I said, they are not perfect but since they are non-profit, they are more likely to bow out of the puppymill business than the other registries. Unfortunately, I am sure there are still plenty of mills using AKC dams & sires. But I think most of the worst offenders are being weeded out. They know that too -- that is why the border-line mills are using the double-registry trick to protect their backsides. AKC is the biggest registry, so they still have a lot of AKC dogs in mills. I think the more notable numbers to look for would be the percentage of the registry that ARE puppymill and BYB dogs. We won't ever see those numbers in writing as most BYB claim they are not and even most puppymills like to try to pretend to be reputable breeders. So, it is something you have to gleen from talking with other pet owners and reading what is available -- mostly educated guesses. Maybe I should not have said most puppymill dogs are registered with one of the non-AKC registries but that most puppymills utilize a non-AKC registry. They may also have some AKC dogs -- but more than likely even those will have dual registration. There are so many logical ways to see that AKC registration is preferable. For instance -- the offshoot registries will register any AKC registered dogs but the AKC will NOT register dogs from the other registries. AKC has requirements for DNA testing when a dog is used a number of times in breeding -- the other registries have no such requirement. AKC does not register dogs with photos, affadavits, or 2 vet letters -- they require AKC lineage. With other registries, it can be easy to get a mixed breed into their books as a purebred. I have seen some beautiful dogs from non-AKC registries. But sometimes I wonder if those are the result of someone selling a dog with limited registration, and then the owner just circumvented the system and turned around and sent in for the non-AKC registration so they could breed even though the original seller had specifically NOT wanted that to happen. Some of those limited registration dogs may be carriers of genetic problems, faults, or the owner just did not want any Tom/Dick/Harry breeding their line. So that is one more reason against the non-AKC registries. I could probably keep typing reasons all night, but I am getting tired and need to get off here.
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Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Thomaston,Ga
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| ![]() Many years ago I got my first Yorkie and met this elderly woman who had alittle AKC fella and a few females. She also had acouple poodles and boston terriers. I was ignorant of any ethical standards and thought everyone was honest with their dogs. She took me under her wing and taught me alot about breeding, whelping and the breed...but then again I knew NOTHING to start. Anyway after a time my girl came into her second heat and I bred with her male which produced 4 boys. I was terrified when I saw the color and thought my baby had somehow made contact with a Doberman! Ruth helped me out and sent in for the litter registration and had it mailed to her house- she said because she had the stud.(?) ![]() ![]() |
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Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas
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YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Eden,NC,Rockingham
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| ![]() I have not seen United Kennel Club discussed (forgive me if I missed it). The UKC is almost as old as AKC. I used to consider them as a registry for hunting and sporting dogs but, if you go to a show, you will see all breeds. I know of quite a few AKC judges that register their dogs, show and judge in the UKC. In fact, 2 of those judges are Yorkshire Terrier breeders. One of them judged the sweeps at the Specialty a few years ago. I enjoy UKC shows. I love to see my Yorkies doing Go To Ground (the job they were bred to do) and terrier racing. It is important to do your homework. There are good and bad breeders in all registries. |
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YT 2000 Club Donating Member | ![]() I have attended a few UKC shows. I saw some nice dogs there, and the environment at the shows I was at, was quite a bit more relaxed than AKC or CKC. I have a few breeder/friends that do show in UKC, but in the working breed. My concern, which of course is only applicable to the minority of would be exhibitors is that UKC does not allow Professional Handlers, and for various physcial reasons, I can no longer show my own working breed. I was at one show to do a Dock Diving event with my blackie, we had great fun there. I am considering training in the weight pull. but in Canada we do not have many UKC events, so overnight travel is necessary most often to attend UKC shows. I went to one in Kalamazoo Michigan.
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BANNED! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Salt lake city, ut, usa
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| ![]() isnt it true though that AKC is registering dogs from CKC, ect now? I remember seeing a thread about it. Let me see if I can find it... |
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YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Eden,NC,Rockingham
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I show my dogs in the AKC but I have found that the UKC is a great place to learn how to show and to train dogs. Weight pull is great for conditioning show dogs. I am always amazed when I see a dog pulling 9,000 lbs. The dogs seem to be having such a great time. I love to watch my dogs, in full coat, running through the tunnel doing GTG or racing. There are some really nice people in the Michigan area that show Yorkies in the UKC and AKC. I will be glad to put you in touch with them. | |
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BANNED! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Salt lake city, ut, usa
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| ![]() haha! I found it! For a dog with papers from a non-AKC accepted domestic registry AKC has a new program where we are researching pedigrees of dogs that do not have AKC paperwork to determine if the dog comes from AKC registrable stock. In order to determine AKC registration eligibility, you will need to send AKC a copy of your dog’s pedigree, registration application and/or registration certificate from another registry. You can also submit documentation provided by the breeder such as a contract or bill of sale. The dog may qualify for registration if the pedigree shows no break in AKC lineage and the dogs in the pedigree originate from AKC registrable stock. Should the dog be deemed registrable, AKC staff will register the dog in question for $30. All late fees will be waived. When you submit your paperwork, please include your name and phone number. You can submit the paperwork in one of three ways:[LIST=1][*]Fax the information to 919-816-3770. Mark it attn: Registry Research.[*]Email images to altreg@akc.org. Place Registry Research in the subject line[*]Mail to: AKC Registry Research |
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Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama
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But it is NOT valid for dogs registered with other registries that do not have a history of an AKC lineage. | |
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Thank you so much. But if I can't show my dogs, and their rule is owners must show their dogs, and yes I know you can get a 'volunteer" to show your dog on this or that day, but that is a different thing, for an owner that knows that 90% of the time they would not be able to show their dog, it seems like to me dishonest to rely on volunteers to show their dog for them. It is a hole if you will in the UKC rules. BTW I'm not putting my Yorkies in weight pull but my BRT;s. ![]() I still am able to compete in obedience, and sometimes agility. I take it day by day with my condition.
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BANNED! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Salt lake city, ut, usa
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| ![]() nope, I even posted an Ad on the site she was advertising on recommending anyone thinking about buying a puppy, come here first... hehehehe, I am apparently feeling impish today! |
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Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin
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Alternative registries appeared when this policy was instituted. These registries have no requirements that breeders must meet. And registering with them is basically it's an extremely bad reference for the breeder. Why have these breeders left AKC? They keep dogs in very bad conditions. They don't want to keep records or positively identify dogs and puppies. They breed mutts and want to register them so the unsuspecting buyers think they're something more than what they are, mixed breed puppies. And they don't want to pay the registration fees. Just a few more things to think about | |
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