Breed Standard -- K.C. vs YTCA

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Most of the show breeders I know don't keep their show dogs caged that are breeder/owner/handlers. I know handlers that show them most are crated due to safety concerns and I can understand that. I think honestly times have change regarding not letting the show dogs play and be a normal dog because it's seen everyday they can be beautiful and have the attitude of what we see in the ring without being crated/caged.
Again, it may have been in the past that the show dogs weren't allowed to play and be a dog but all the ones I see and that I'm around and that's alot...they have either free fun of the house or a huge dog room and not caged or crated...

Well I only know a couple that keep crated, not let outside, etc, but the other folks I know the majority do wrap, but they play inside, outside,etc although truly only know my breeder and I that take the dogs hiking, n swimmin, n stuff.
You've been in this a very long time so would know best how it goes.

[Woogie Man]

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Originally Posted by gemy

It is why in Latvia and other european countries the final awarding of the CH waits until 3yrs. you must finish the dog once full coat is in.

In terms of temperament I certainly would like to see the AKC standard include a section on correct terrier temperament for the Yorkie.

I would think that rules of show and judging criteria would affect a breed over time, as would differences in standards. Most of the world operates under FCI auspices, but the U.S., U.K. and Canada are not members.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

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I would think that rules of show and judging criteria would affect a breed over time, as would differences in standards. Most of the world operates under FCI auspices, but the U.S., U.K. and Canada are not members.

Yes I know those three countries are not members; interesting and I wonder why.
My opinion is that you eventually get in the breed, what the judges reward for, ie the type of dog the judges put up. Judges are definitely guided not only by the written standard, but by the judging seminars that are put on by the National Clubs. Judging seminars, are like a live illustrated standard, where many questions are asked and answered. Judges get to practise, judging, and examining the dogs which have been brought there for their education, and are coached by the experienced breed experts.

In one of my judging seminars, the participant judges queried me more than once, on our statement, submissive peeing in ring is not acceptable even in a puppy, they should be excused from ring. Aggression, snaps, snarls, etc in young pup, again excused from ring.
We have a breed that is guard and protect, and even in six month old pups, they should be self confident enough, to stand for examination.
Submissive peeing is not a sign of good temperament for this breed, and neither is cowering, backing away, shaking or trembling on examination.

The very next show I attended, one of those Judges that was at the seminar, excused a young pup for submissively peeing in the ring. I also noted, he employed the measurement tools we gave him on the adult dogs, and selected in "our" opinion for the dogs there that day, the best example of the breed.

So if I was a member of a Breed Club I would be more than interested in receiving the Judging Seminar handouts, and attending as many of them as I can.

[maggiesmom_2007]

Originally Posted by gemy

Yes I know those three countries are not members; interesting and I wonder why.
My opinion is that you eventually get in the breed, what the judges reward for, ie the type of dog the judges put up. Judges are definitely guided not only by the written standard, but by the judging seminars that are put on by the National Clubs. Judging seminars, are like a live illustrated standard, where many questions are asked and answered. Judges get to practise, judging, and examining the dogs which have been brought there for their education, and are coached by the experienced breed experts.

In one of my judging seminars, the participant judges queried me more than once, on our statement, submissive peeing in ring is not acceptable even in a puppy, they should be excused from ring. Aggression, snaps, snarls, etc in young pup, again excused from ring.
We have a breed that is guard and protect, and even in six month old pups, they should be self confident enough, to stand for examination.
Submissive peeing is not a sign of good temperament for this breed, and neither is cowering, backing away, shaking or trembling on examination.

The very next show I attended, one of those Judges that was at the seminar, excused a young pup for submissively peeing in the ring. I also noted, he employed the measurement tools we gave him on the adult dogs, and selected in "our" opinion for the dogs there that day, the best example of the breed.

So if I was a member of a Breed Club I would be more than interested in receiving the Judging Seminar handouts, and attending as many of them as I can.

Good post Gail,
Me being fairly new to the show scene I am grateful to have my mentors and also being able to meet other breeders. I do have to say though I would love to see more importance put on structure and temperament with this breed. Also having the proper testing done also is very important especially for me. Like I said I am fairly new to the show scene and I see what is being taken in the ring and granted there are some gorgeous dogs but there are also some that are high in the rear, roach back, they have funny walks. Me personally I want people to look at what I take in the ring and say Wow look at that dog, not Are you kidding me? What was she thinking.

[gemy]

I hear you. We in any breed have looked at some examples taken into the ring and said to ourselves "why".