need some advice please.... teacup yorkie had pups
 

I have a yorkie who weighted in at 4.6 pounds at the vet back in may. She got hooked up with a friends dog while pup sitting and well she had the pups aug 1. the first didnt make it I am guessing it sufficated because she didnt open the sak and the second one we were able to open the sak and help it to breath because she wasnt doing it. She did however take care of the third one.

Im wondering why she didnt do anything with the first 2 and if she is ok to have another litter seeing as she is only 4 pounds and i would just like more information. We are keeping the pup that we had to bottle feed and care for that night and the other is going to a friend. We are not trying to become breeders and pay our mortgage by her having pups by no means but I do want to make sure that she will be ok..

She is taking excellent care of both pups now.

any advice would be great and thank you

Advice...have her fixed, most likely she was too young to have pups and that is why she ignored the first two, she had no idea what to do with them.

Yorkies need assistance when whelping & it's a miracle your girl didn't need a c-sect. I'm wondering if you had done all the research & many hours of reading & studying, maybe the pup could have been saved...you would have known what to do. It's a shame what you & the mommy pup had to go through & I'm sorry for your loss. But I'm a bit puzzled why you would breed her again if the 1st time was an accident? If you're not trying to be a breeder, then why breed her again?

Yorkies just do not do the whelping themself. You always have to help them. You should have had her spayed already and not have accidents. Health tested mom and dad?? This should have been done and you should still do the normal helath testings on them. YOu have a long road ahead with care of pups and mom now. The pups will need to be tested before they go to the new owners. You also need tail dockings and dewclaws and their vaccines and regular health check ups as they grow. This all cost money. You will also need to check on the pups, especially now while young since mom can sit on them wrong or other problems can arise. So I always have the mom and pups next to my bed all through the night, this way I can wake up if they cry. Then keep them warm, not too hot and not too cool. Then you have the cleaning - keep bedding alwyas clean and when they start to eat food (weaning them) the mom will no longer clean them. There is a lot to raising pups. Then you have interviews and references to do on the new owners and the time spent talking to people and them coming to you home. It really is a lot of work. Most of the time, yorkies have c-sections and they can run quite high - 800 - 2,000. depending on your area and the vet as well as what time the c-section is needed (after hours or not). Plus the time spent with mom and pups after the c-section - often hand feeding mom and more trips to the vet for after care of mom.

It is best to have her spayed now after the pups are older. And once your dog has a litter, you are consisdered a breeder now, accident or not. I do not believe in accidents, only carelessness and lesss concern.

I didn't say I'd let her hve another I was just wondering if it would be ok for her... The male was the same size as her so that's why she didn't need a c-section... She is 2 yrs old and from what I was told from my vet that isn't too young...

And as for the snotty comments there not needed I personally don't care how you feel... No one told you to put your 2 cents in I was asking for advice... I am new to the site and just as others wants valid advise not your worthless opinions.... Thank you :)

You were given excellent advice...you just didnt like the advice you were given cause it didnt match with your thinking. If you ask for advice on a forum...you have to be open to all opinions...otherwise , WHY are you even asking? :confused:

Um, yeah actually you did. You explained your situation and asked questions. Ergo, you got answers. Comes with the territory.

The general rule of thumb for Yorkies is not to breed a female under 5 lbs. Even then you have to take a lot into consideration before it can be deemed "safe"--like pelvic structure and if she comes from a line of free whelpers AND most importantly, how informed you are on the breeding process overall. No offense, but you should have really researched and prepared for this prior to her having this litter. Chances are, you would have known what to do and would have been prepared to handled the difficulties you encountered.

For the record, the male being the same size has NOTHING to do with whether or not she needed a c-section. The size and genetics of the breeding pair alone mean little. You have to factor in the traits and sizes of the OTHER dogs in their lines as well.

In any event, it's all a moot point. Your female, being considerably under 5 lbs, is too small to safely breed. It would be in HER best interest to have her spayed and prevent any further "accidents." Please take the time to research here on YT and elsewhere what you need to do from this point. Just because the pups are here now does not mean you are out of the woods. The next few weeks will be critical for the survival of the pup AND your girl and there is still a lot you need to do for them in order to ensure their health.

Excuse my manners, Welcome to YT.:) As for snotty comments, I don't see any. I take everyone's opinions as valuable info...it's a shame you think it as worthless. It's also ironic that you ask for advice on an open public forum & lash out at the people that are trying to give you advice & taking the time to respond to you.

FYI, just bc a male is the same or smaller size doesn't mean you'll get small puppies. Did you also know that a male can 'throw' tinies or larger pups?
A reputable breeder knows her lines & where it comes from, also does all the extensive & expensive tests like topknot mentioned. I think you're also here to learn, so put down that shield & don't take offense. You'll be glad you did.

I am happy that your pups and the mother are doing well. If you goto www.ytca.org you will find out what their recommendations are for responsible breeders of Yorkies.

The current wisdom of this club and many others, and many of the experienced breeders here on YT, is that for a female that is under 5lbs do not breed. You do Risk her Life. My advice then is to spay and not breed her again.

So you got lucky this time with size of the pups, doesn't mean the next time will be the same.

I also hope that your vet has warned you of postnatal dangers, mastitis, eclampsia, how to recognize those signs in your nursing dam. You, the mom, and the pups are not out of the woods yet.

Again there are stickies on here about some of the dangers which are located at the top of the forum.

I wish you the best for your pups. Welcome to YT

Sorry stickies on this topic are posted in the YT Library; here is one Dog Breeding - Your Questions Answered

In my opinion she was too small to be bred in the first place and I think you should have her spayed to make sure this dosnt happen again.

She did not need a section because you used a male the same size..thank you so much for that information, it is priceless, will save us all sections in the future...I guess the vets can close up the shop now...thanks again.

As you found out, whelping a yorkie litter does take human intervention and not doing so does result in loss of puppy lives. There are so many things that one needs to do as each puppy is whelped to insure they have a good start and chance for survival.

As others have stated these next few days and weeks are crucial, to the mom and the pups. So many things can go wrong, so you must keep a 24 hour round the clock watchful eye. For the next 12 weeks your life is 100% devoted to this mom and her pups.

As has already been stated, there is so much in determining whether a girl is healthy enough to carry a litter and whelp. Your girl is much to small to breed. One thing thing that people don't consider when breeding one this small, is how many pups a bitch will concieve. Carrying 2 or 3 may not be a problem, but what if she concieves 5 or 6......her reproductive system is much to small and may not carry them to term, resulting in a whole different set of complications.

There were no snooty comments or worthless opinions. This is a public forum and you posted asking your question, those that answered are experienced, responsible breeders. You will find that most on this forum have one thing in common and that is a passion for the breed. They expect that anyone that undertakes breeding and whelping does not take it lightly. Has studied and prepared themselves, so they are not putting their female in harms way. Making sure that the pups they bring into the world are healthy and wonderful specimans of the breed.

What snotty comments?? You asked for advice, why didn't you also ask for the advice to be sugar-coated as that is what you seem to want.

You got very valid advice from those who have experience.

I have experience in breeding - but no way would I breed yorkies. They need special attention when whelping.
Also, why, when your little one is in heat would you put her in a position where she could get pregnant? She shouldn't have been unsupervised with a male dog around.

Please, for your little ones sake, get her spayed ASAP.

Umm maybe this will be a snotty comment but I don't even care. How could YOU just sit there and watch a puppy struggle and DIE in the sac? That is just horrible!! That puppy could of lived!!


I delivered a litter if kittens when I was 13 years old and the mother cat did not tear a sac open, my first instinict was to grab the sac and rip it open and get that kitten out!!

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Whats done is done but you really need to get your female spayed leave the breeding to professionals. That pup that died shouldnt have. I was the same way wunexperienced with whelping and care of newborn kittens and I lost 3 kittens out of a litter of 4 before. I know you think some of the advice youve been given is harsh but I think everyone is thinking about what is best for you and your girl

yes id like to know what is to come with her and the pups but i am not looking to breed and worthless opinions are not what im looking for and i am also not looking for others to judge so if you have a problem move to the next post that also goes for the others...



im looking for valuable information not opinions from those of you who breed and get paid.... I have not sold a puppy so no i am not a breeder I havent sent in for papers or anything of that matter. I thought the whole experience was amazing even if we did lose a pup. The gift of life is one that should always be seen as a miracle and a blessing...

Watching a birth is a miracle and those little babies are gifts from God. But if you wanted to watch an "amazing show" go on YOUTUBE and take a look. I'm sorry your not finding the comments you were hoping for but those are LIVING creatures and I'm sure sometimes the mama dogs don't want to be bred. It's also very irresponisble to breed your dog or let accidents like that happen when you are not prepared at all!

Alot of the breeders here who sell aren't making big bucks. They test their dogs for genetic defects, show their dogs, try to improve the breed not just breed because they want to see a miracle! You don't see people delivering babies because it looks fun. You see DOCTORS who are trained professionals delivering babies! People study and learn for years before they try to breed. Theres so many dogs in the shelters who are put down because people wanted a couple miracles!

lovemymisty - you are very new to YT, so first -- welcome :).

I hope you have a positive experience here, but please remember that this goes both ways. You asked for advice, so people will give it.

It is not acceptable to call people names here, nor to label their opinions as worthless. And, any member may post on this thread - as long as they follow YT rules; so, please don't tell others whether or not they may post. All members are welcome to post on any thread here at YT.

It looks like you've received some great advice from many respected breeders here already, so hopefully, this has been helpful - and can continue to be so. :)

Since you are new, the some of posters have provided input are experienced breeders, other's are very involved in the breed. Their advice is not worthless.

Once you have bred a litter you are breeder.

What is to become of your girl and her pups, is entirely up to you.

Lovemymisty, you don't realize how lucky you are that your little girl survived this. If you really love Misty you will have her spayed and not take such a gamble with her life.

None of the comments I see here are snotty. They are accurate and you asked for them! There are so many homeless dogs out there who need homes. Have her spayed so that this doesn't happen again. You were negligent once; don't be negligent again and cause other animals to suffer because of your stupidity.

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Lovemymisty....I hope you take away from all the experienced people here just how concerned we all are for your little girl. No one answers questions here with any intended malice...purely to help you or any poster through a problem.

Whether you consider, take or leave the advice given you is solely up to you. Just know all advice is given with the best of intentions.

OK, I am sorry if I am snotty, but I just can't sit on my fingers any more. So many of these threads start the same way, my girl just happened to be in season, my friends were pup-sitting, they just happened to have an intact male, he just happened to be a yorkie and not a bull-mastiff (thank you God), he just happened to be an appropriate size, they just happened to tie. Wow!! So many happenings.
Were you watching this birth, did it not occur to you to open the sack if the mom did not? Again, wow.
And yes, you have bred your little girl and had pups, that makes you a breeder by definition. I am guessing that you didn't do a lot of research either before or after the birth, hence the accidental pregnancy and the poor drowned baby. You have been given some great advice on this thread, like it or not, take it or leave it. You asked for opinions and you got them.

:mad: It just kills me to think that poor pup left in the sac and her just watching the wonderful "Miracle" of life be born AND die in the same sitting. terrible

Was the male dog a Yorkie, too? Are you planning on having the tails and dew claws done? That would need to be done at 3-5 days old.

You'll need to keep a close eye on the pups at this time. They are very fragile the first few weeks. They need to be kept warm and in a room with no drafts. The temp of the room needs to be 78-80 degrees at this time. A heating pad, set on low, should be placed so the pups can get warmth from it but not so the Mom is forced to lie on it. You also need a scale to weigh the babies daily to make sure they are gaining. They can go downhill very fast.

How is the Mom doing? Did you see her pass all the placentas? She needs to be watched for any signs of infection (smelly discharge, running a temp). Is she eating well for you? She needs to eat well and make sure she gets lots of water. She may be picky for a while and you'll have to find something she'll eat. Scrambled eggs, boiled chicken, boiled liver are good choices that most will eat. You also need to start her on calcium supplements at this time to ward off eclampsia.

From your first post, it seems like you have no experience. Don't think that just because the babies are born that you can relax. There are many things that can and do go wrong with both Mom and pups at this time. Keep a very close eye out.

For this poster and all others who may "stumble" upon this thread. When you post on a public forum a question, or even a statement, everyone can and will post their thoughts, opinions, advice, recommendations, suggestions.

While this thread has been opened by you, you don't own it, can't moderate it (that is the moderator's job), and as this becomes part of the public record so to speak, our concerned owners, breeders, fanciers, will make the effort to correct misconceptions, will always try to give advice that protects the health and well being of first your dog, their puppies, and the breed in general.

We do understand that you may have left this thread after your initial posting, this is unimportant in the larger scheme. That is to provide informative advice, recommendations, suggestions, for future owners of this wondrous breed.