bye bye...
 

Just so you and everyone else know I called the emergency vet when she got hooked with the male and they said she would be fine. I took her in when she started to look pregnant and they said she would be fine put her on puppy food which I already knew that and just wait 63 days from the hook date...
I called the vet after she had them and again they said her little went well and that she left the pup alone because she knew something was wrong same with the second one. Glad we could save that one and now she is taking great care of them both...

I again called the vet and asked if she could have another litter and they said it sounds like her litter went well and there is no reason for her not to have another litter even if she is only 4.6 pounds....

so did you all go to vet school i dont think you did but thanks for all the advice, judgements, ect....


*** the other thing the vet told me was to be careful what you read on the internet because most of it is opinion and not fact


once again thanks but im out.... will no longet be reading this....

ill get my info from the real professionals not the breeders

I feel so sad for little Misty, to have an owner that doesn't care about risking her life and is more concerned about using her for trial and error breeder lessons. And to dismiss all of the valuable information you've been given here by such knowledgable, presitgious breeders as Mardelin is just disgusting.

Wow you are something else. Is your vet a yorkie breeder? Has Whelped litters in the past? Probably not otherwise he wouldn't be giving you such garbage advice. You must be truly sick to say you don't want info from GOOD BREEDERS. But I guess you gotta do what you gotta do :mad:

Not all vets are breed specific professionals. Many vets ask advice from the breeders reguarding certain breeds of dogs.
I think you seem to be more in love with the idea of having puppies and making $$$$$ than you are actually in love with Misty. You do know you are putting her health and life at risk with every breeding you do, dont you? If you vet didnt tell you this, it is time to get another vet. To bad you are so closed minded to all the GREAT advice that was given to you by GREAT breeders. Its actually Misty's loss that you didnt listen.

I guess you forgot you said ANY advice would be great. But you should of put ONLY the advice I want to hear!!

:eek: You called an emergency vet and they said she would be fine, sight unseen, no history with your female? And you think this is proper vet care and advice?

Her litter went well? Your litter is what 2-3 days old? She successfully birthed three pups, one died in the sac, one you broke the sac, and to this moment survives. Do you know yet if those pups are healthy? No you do not. These pups will need to have health checks done.

Yes one should definitely be carefull with what you read on the net. So get some reputable books on breeding, find advise from a Repro Vet, who is experienced in toy breeds and breeding.

I linked in an earlier post about reputable links and organizations whose sole purpose is the care an nuturing of this breed. My guess is you won't go there.

So miracle happen everyday, I hope that a miracle will occur, and your pups and Mom will survive and be healthy despite your lack of knowledge.

So according to your vet, all those sacks that I have opened because the mom didn't open them contained pups that had something wrong with them. I wonder why so many of them are alive and thriving now.

Visit your local pound or shelter and see how many dogs there are that are in need of homes. Your dog needs to be spayed. As soon as she is physically able to undergo the procedure, it MUST be done. If you love her and you have any compassion for animals, SPAY YOUR DOG.

Sadly, many yorkies and other small dogs wind up in horrific situations. I have worked with rescues and seen it first hand. If you have any bit of intelligence and any compassion for animals, you will understand why your dog should NOT be having any additional litters.

Wow. Just wow.

FYI- your bitch had pups. That makes YOU a breeder. Period.


Same old story. Someone does something stupid. Comes here and wants everyone to applaud them. Then when she doesn't get it, she gets pissy.

Once of the reasons I chose my vet is because he said he looks to really great breeders for breed specific information. The YTCA really are the experts when it comes to the Yorkshire Terrier, and your vet would be wise to listen to the experts. Some of the breeders here who have answered your questions are among the best. Yorkietalk isn't just any forum; we have some extremely knowledgeable people here. You might get bad advice, but someone will come around and clear it up. I'm a little confused, what type of advise did you want from us? You ask for advice, it's given, and then you say, your vet knows more than any of us. I will tell you, I've read way too many threads here on how a tiny would accidentally get pregnant and vet thought it would be ok, but it died. I suppose the death of your Misty is a chance your vet is willing to take, but are you? My advice since you have so little confidence in the answers you are receiving is to take your questions to your vet. Breeders may not be able to answer your questions on how to do surgery, but good breeders do know lots about breeding, they studied it for years before they decided to breed.

There are so many things that can happen to your girl and puppies from this point on. I'm a bit confused as to what you want and if any further advice would be falling on deaf ears or blind eyes anyway.

Mary she said she was done with this thread. We are all idiots, only have uninformed opinions to offer.

Vets of course are the only ones that know anything about breeding, and dogs etal.

I posted links to thread on breeding. Woogie Man offered advice in these very dangerous early whelp days on what to watch for. So she has been advised, referred to, and helped in the ways that we can.

Whether she takes this advice or not is up to her and God. But at least for others who may read this thread, there is enough information to go forward with.

To your questions: Yorkies do need a lot of assistance during whelping , or delivery , and it is not a surprise she did not tend to the first 2 puppies right away, it usually is responsibility of the yorkie breeder to do that part and suction the puppies and "get them going " as they need it done. Also the breeder must cut the umbilical cords as so many things can go wrong if let alone to mom take care of it, recently a puppy had it's leg eaten by the bitch trying to cut the cord her self and needed the leg amputated.
The other answer, she sure was not too young at 2 years old, but was she all tested and approved to be a breeder? the least of problems arrive at birth , years to come are also the breeder responsibility and all testing should be done when selecting a breeder bitch or stud.
The fact that the male is the same size has little to do with her c-section free delivery. just get more informed about that as you seem to have a misconception over the issue.
Her size is not the most preferred size for breeding bitch, the most preferred size is usually 5 pounds and above.
The chances of her "free whelping" again are pretty good considering the fact that she free whelped the first time around, specially if you do a repeated mate.
The fact that the first puppy may have been a "STILL BORN" as it sounds like it , or a puppy that dies soon after birth and you did not do an autopsy right away to find out the reason goes against the idea of keep breeding the couple, there is no point to keep breeding health compromised puppies.
If you plan to breed her again, your best route is to go ahead and both bitch and stud all tested before second trial. That will diminish your chances of producing puppies that will have a compromised life later on.
You must be thinking aftermath, not only birth. Many problems that arrive as the dogs matures and after year 3 or 4 and will severely affect both quality of life and life span , could be avoided by practicing best breeder selection. And that includes the steps you have been advised to take. Unfortunately many pure breeds have so many healthy issues and most of them could have been avoided by breed selection. Studying a pedigree is another important step.
You should look into genetic implications and learn some more about it in dogs, you will enjoy, it is fascinating.
It is not fair to produce puppies that will be diabetes at 5 years old, or become blind at 3 or have liver improper function and need expensive surgeries or have to be put down.
You are a smart lady, you will make good decisions after you research a little more on the breed .
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XOXO

Honey, you might think you were ready for this, but the simple fact is that you didn't know any more about whelping those puppies than the mother did.

The miracle of birth turned into the cold hard facts of life.

I knew that she was done with this thread, that's why I posted what I did.....no further advice should be offerred. Evidently the ER vet knows it all and that where she should direct her questions.

Well we may all be idiots in your book, and you may not read this or respond again, but let me tell you this from someone thats KNOWS about the other side of whelping. Your bitch got very lucky, no thanks to you. I am sorry, but I have had to pull out puppies to save their lives, and I have had to pull out one that had got stuck in the bitch, and I can tell you from experience, no I am not a vet, it wasn't fun pulling out a dead puppy. My girl was 7 lbs, and breed to a 4 lb boy. So consider yourself LUCKY, and as for doing it again, my best advice for you since your not a breeder,(as you say) SPAY the bitch, before you lose her, just because she did it once, doesn't mean she will again, every whelping is different and yes if a pup gets stuck, YOU will have to do something, pull it out, or take her to the vet, but chances are you will not make it in time, and lose all of them.
If you aren't a breeder, then why put her through it, so think long and hard before you let them get "hooked" up again.

I wasn't going to post again, but for my own self satisfaction. To the OP, live with the fact because of your lack of knowledge and education you contributed to that first puppy's death. I hope you live with that fact and think long and hard should you attempt to breed again.

Those are the cold, hard facts and I'm glad that it was said.
I'm just amazed that a puppy died, but yet "supposedly" a vet would say since things went ok, do it again! Over the phone no less! I find that hard to believe and if true, not a vet I would have a whole lot of faith in.
I'm not really sure why the op even posted here, it's one of those times I'm hoping that someone is just messing with everyone.

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To the OP...please ask your vet, since he knows everything and is more knowledgeable then breeders, what a "teacup yorkie" is!

Not sure why you came here in the first place...why didn't you call your vet in the beginning, why hassle us for "our opinions"?

If your dog ran into trouble delivering....would you have just sat by and watched her demise???

You should have got your girl to the vet for a clean out injection the next morning and to ensure she didnt have any pups remaining inside of her. Did you see all of the placentas come out? She could have one retained inside her which would cause a serious infection and could kill her. Get some calcium from your vet and administer to her under the instruction of your vet.

Do some research regarding the care of your girl and her babies BEFORE you end up losing another one or all of 'em. Getting through the birth is only a fraction of what it takes to raise them and getting the momma through the nursing phase safely.

"she pushed the pups away cuz she knew something was wrong with them"....??? Your mistaken!!!! This was her first time and she didnt know what to do. My girl had pups the same day as yours....I had to tear open the sacks of both of them, clear their airways, clamp and cut cords, etc. and both survived and are healthy. They had a vet check this morning. Not all dams are going to do it. Are you sure you talked to a vet???? you probably talked to someone who answered the phone.

For anyone unexperienced reading this....dont ever let a puppy drown in its own sack. This could have been prevented.

And she thinks it's ok and defends it. I'm just left shaking my head.

You probably won't come back, but if you do, this is great info right here. You're right, we didn't go to vet school, which is why we trust our dogs care, surgeries, emergencies to the professionals. Breeding IS NOT an emergency. It is planned, it is something you wait for, and FYI, it is something that a breeder studies for. They know so much about their breed, in this case the Yorkshire Terrier, that they are experts in what makes a Yorkshire Terrier a Yorkshire Terrier. They know how to help, which ones to breed, and yes, in this subject, they know more than vets.

That doesn't even make sense. If she knew something was wrong with the second one, how did it survive, and why did she later accept it. That is not the way dogs are. if they reject a puppy, you might be able to save it, but they won't take it back.

I have had still born puppies that the mother tried to take care of and when I took it from her and set it aside, she got out of her bed to get it.

Some of the breeders on here have been delivering puppies for 30 years. Those are the professionals.

WHOA:eek: You're the one that's being extremely rude! You asked for advice, and you GOT IT! Just because it's not what you wanted to hear doesn't make it "worthless" opinions:rolleyes: Some very experienced breeders/owners have given very good advice. Frankly, someone as immature as you has no business breeding anything, let alone a tiny little girl:mad:

You're very fortunate that your girl lived through the whelp, as obviously you were very unprepared and didn't bother to learn anything before her time came. Sick:cry:!!!

[QUOTE=yorkie_mama22;3225919]Watching a birth is a miracle and those little babies are gifts from God. But if you wanted to watch an "amazing show" go on YOUTUBE and take a look. I'm sorry your not finding the comments you were hoping for but those are LIVING creatures and I'm sure sometimes the mama dogs don't want to be bred. It's also very irresponisble to breed your dog or let accidents like that happen when you are not prepared at all!

Alot of the breeders here who sell aren't making big bucks. They test their dogs for genetic defects, show their dogs, try to improve the breed not just breed because they want to see a miracle! You don't see people delivering babies because it looks fun. You see DOCTORS who are trained professionals delivering babies! People study and learn for years before they try to breed. Theres so many dogs in the shelters who are put down because people wanted a couple miracles![/QUOTE]
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I just wanted to comment on your reason for coming to YT. You said you came here to get valuable advice. You now seem to be upset because you feel you have not received any. I would like to point out some of the advice you have recieved here.

Deuce: Advice...have her fixed
mimimomo : Yorkies need assistance when whelping
topknot : Yorkies just do not do the whelping themself. You always have to help them.you should still do the normal helath testings on them. YOu have a long road ahead with care of pups and mom now. The pups will need to be tested before they go to the new owners. You also need tail dockings and dewclaws and their vaccines and regular health check ups as they grow. You will also need to check on the pups, especially now while young since mom can sit on them wrong or other problems can arise. Then keep them warm, not too hot and not too cool. keep bedding alwyas clean and when they start to eat food (weaning them) the mom will no longer clean them.Then you have interviews and references to do on the new owners and the time spent talking to people and them coming to you home. It really is a lot of work. It is best to have her spayed now after the pups are older.
BamaFan121s: The general rule of thumb for Yorkies is not to breed a female under 5 lbs. Even then you have to take a lot into consideration before it can be deemed "safe"--like pelvic structure and if she comes from a line of free whelpers AND most importantly, how informed you are on the breeding process overall.
mimimomo: FYI, just bc a male is the same or smaller size doesn't mean you'll get small puppies. Did you also know that a male can 'throw' tinies or larger pups? A reputable breeder knows her lines & where it comes from, also does all the extensive & expensive tests like topknot mentioned.
gemy: I am happy that your pups and the mother are doing well. If you goto www.ytca.org you will find out what their recommendations are for responsible breeders of Yorkies. The current wisdom of this club and many others, and many of the experienced breeders here on YT, is that for a female that is under 5lbs do not breed. You do Risk her Life. My advice then is to spay and not breed her again. I also hope that your vet has warned you of postnatal dangers, mastitis, eclampsia, how to recognize those signs in your nursing dam.
Mardelin: There are so many things that one needs to do as each puppy is whelped to insure they have a good start and chance for survival.
As others have stated these next few days and weeks are crucial, to the mom and the pups. So many things can go wrong, so you must keep a 24 hour round the clock watchful eye. For the next 12 weeks your life is 100% devoted to this mom and her pups.One thing thing that people don't consider when breeding one this small, is how many pups a bitch will concieve. Carrying 2 or 3 may not be a problem, but what if she concieves 5 or 6......her reproductive system is much to small and may not carry them to term, resulting in a whole different set of complications.
Beamers Mom : They need special attention when whelping. She shouldn't have been unsupervised with a male dog around.Please, for your little ones sake, get her spayed ASAP.
chachi: Whats done is done but you really need to get your female spayed leave the breeding to professionals.
yorkie_mama22 : People study and learn for years before they try to breed. Theres so many dogs in the shelters who are put down because people wanted a couple miracles!
Nancy1999:you don't realize how lucky you are that your little girl survived this. If you really love Misty you will have her spayed and not take such a gamble with her life.
Vinniedoggy : There are so many homeless dogs out there who need homes. Have her spayed so that this doesn't happen again.
Woogie Man: Are you planning on having the tails and dew claws done? That would need to be done at 3-5 days old. You'll need to keep a close eye on the pups at this time. They are very fragile the first few weeks. They need to be kept warm and in a room with no drafts. The temp of the room needs to be 78-80 degrees at this time. A heating pad, set on low, should be placed so the pups can get warmth from it but not so the Mom is forced to lie on it. You also need a scale to weigh the babies daily to make sure they are gaining. They can go downhill very fast. How is the Mom doing? Did you see her pass all the placentas? She needs to be watched for any signs of infection (smelly discharge, running a temp). Is she eating well for you? She needs to eat well and make sure she gets lots of water. She may be picky for a while and you'll have to find something she'll eat. Scrambled eggs, boiled chicken, boiled liver are good choices that most will eat. You also need to start her on calcium supplements at this time to ward off eclampsia.
From your first post, it seems like you have no experience. Don't think that just because the babies are born that you can relax. There are many things that can and do go wrong with both Mom and pups at this time. Keep a very close eye out.
yorkiekist: Not all vets are breed specific professionals. Many vets ask advice from the breeders reguarding certain breeds of dogs.
gemy : These pups will need to have health checks done.
Yes one should definitely be carefull with what you read on the net. So get some reputable books on breeding, find advise from a Repro Vet, who is experienced in toy breeds and breeding.
Vinniedoggy: Visit your local pound or shelter and see how many dogs there are that are in need of homes. Your dog needs to be spayed. As soon as she is physically able to undergo the procedure, it MUST be done. If you love her and you have any compassion for animals, SPAY YOUR DOG.
Nancy1999: Once of the reasons I chose my vet is because he said he looks to really great breeders for breed specific information. The YTCA really are the experts when it comes to the Yorkshire Terrier, and your vet would be wise to listen to the experts.
Mardelin: There are so many things that can happen to your girl and puppies from this point on.

If you have a hard time reading between the lines and finding the advice given, I have taken the time to pull out the advice you should really adhere to. Please read this and please know that this is some of the best advice you will ever receive. In fact, I don't think it would read better out of a book or any web site you would go to. I am sorry for the long post, but I felt it should be pointed out. Good luck with your mom and pups.
:aimeeyorkYorkieProud:aimeeyork

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:Good job!

Lol, no one can accuse you of not reading!

That is amazing; I don't know how you did that, but what a wonderfull tool for future readers of this thread.

Thank you so much for doing that. What struck me was the consistency of the advice and recommendations given. We are from different countries, different ages, different experiences with Yorkies, but there ya go, we speak a similar language.