Thanks guys,
I try to absorb as much information from this site as humanly possible. It really ticks me off, when great information is totally ignored. That is why I pulled out all the great points in this thread. I don't like why threads like these originate, but I got to tell you that I have learned so much from them. Threads like this changed my way of thinking on breeding and the entire Yorkie breed, and I am thankful for them. I hope that doesn't sound bad.

P.S. Hey Nancy, my first attempt to post a reply ran over by about 2400 words and I had to go back and edit. LOL

Great post!:thumbup:

Can anyone imagine holding a dead puppy within hours you are on a thread like this trying to explain breeding her again?

Please spay her. I understand the miracle of life. I think we all do. But one must acknowledge the loss of life, the responsibility of life, all the "other things" associated with breeding. You were very lucky you didn't loose your bitch that time. Reading your replies hurt me. I think you just missed all of this. Nobody is out to make you a bad person. You aren't "doing right" by your "new mama". Neither of you are ready for this. If you want to be a breeder, there's ways to go about it. But she is not the answer. It doesn't matter if you don't sell any of her babies, don't register them or anything else as you stated. Breeding is breeding and you put her life in danger. Please spay her. She is too small to breed.

I'd need proof that an emergency vet gave advice to anyone that isn't a patient. What breed did you breed her with? This was left out, wasn't it?

And the Op said she didn't want the advice of breeders who sell their pups (or words to that effect, I would have to go back to look at the exact wording)

Well, don't know about the others, but I am not a breeder, so she definitely got advice from non-breeders to. I have Lil Bit spayed, and I have Beamer neutered. Lil Bit would never have been a good example to breed from if I was a breeder. And Beamer is neutered because although he is a "stud" in one sense;) He is defintiely not going to get some little cutie pregnant.

This Op reminds me of a lady that came to the house once to groom Beamer, this was before he was neutered. She said she knew lots of Yorkie owners who would love to have him mate with their females.
I told her that he was being neutered, and he is a pet and I bought him as a pet without papers as I didn't intend him as anything other than a pet. She actually said that him not having papers wouldn't matter, and I could make money from allowing him to father some puppies!!!!
I have a different groomer now!

That's leery, a groomer that wants your dogs genes. This gives me the willys. Like the babysitter nursing.

Thank goodness Yorkie Talk didn't exist when I went thru breeding my Boston. Before she went into her third heat cycle, I found a lady who shows Bostons and ask if she would consent to mine breeding with her champion. She set up an appointment to see my girl before she would commit. She knew I had never bred a dog before and didn't know much about it, but she didn't offer advice. My girl had four but took so long she didn't have strength to get the fifth one out so I rushed her to the Vet. where he did a C section on her. She almost died, and she ended up with staff infection. I had to bathe her and the pups every day for I think about a week. I've never bred another dog after that experience. Had I'd been on YT, I'm sure I would be asking for help only to have been told, in no uncertain terms, what a bad person I am for not doing my home work first, instead of "letting" me know what to do, "then" talk to me about the cons of breeding if not experienced.
I'm just putting myself in lovemymisty's place and know how horrible she must feel.
I've learned more from reading Mardelin's posts about whelping & all the things needed to have on hand and how to do it all, than I ever got from any book or other people. THAT's what I would have loved to hear when I had my little Boston!

Actually, if you had bothered to read the OP's mostly ignorant and rude responses, you'd KNOW that she doesn't feel terrible about anything. She came here to get some "Oh poor you"s and someone to tell her that what she's done is okay. Go and read the WHOLE thread!!!

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Exactly what I'm talking about. Did you ask me if I had read the "WHOLE" thread?

Agreed. The girl had just finished whelping and the owner was looking to the next breeding.

Not sure what advice she wanted, but more than likely she wanted affirmation for her to go ahead and breed her again. Advice was given, very straight forward advice and of course she was told that she didn't have the experience or knowledge to do so. Her indignant responses and her name calling only revealed that she didn't want advice or wanted to learn.

Just a bit confused then. This girl didn't do her homework, killed a puppy because of her lack of knowledge and felt no remorse over it.

Wow. Ok.

I didn't ask if you'd read the whole thread, because it really seemed as if you hadn't. Your post seemed to ignore the fact that this person was given very good advice, and maybe some of it was on the "harsher" side, but would you rather we mollycoddle folks like this, when they come here looking for validation? What she did, allowing the puppy to die, was out of ignorance and being unprepared. So, are we just supposed to say, oh poor you, of course you should listen to someone that says to just let a puppy die:rolleyes: Oh, and of course you should breed her again, as soon as she's in heat again. Really?!?!

It's posts like YOURS that encourage this type of behavior. The OP is NOT THE ONLY ONE READING these posts. There are many others that never register, or log in, that may be thinking about breeding and BY GOD, I for one want to make sure that they all get the same message: Breeding DOES NOT happen by accident, it's carelessness. If you don't know what the heck you're doing, then do some more research and find a mentor FIRST. Heck, we could use more GOOD breeders that care about whatever breed they choose to breed, and that do their homework. I am one of those people that used to think that I wanted to breed Yorkies. I thought, "How hard could it be, the dogs have sex and the bitch does all the work, AND I'll be able to sell the puppies for lots of money":rolleyes: Well, the more I read here about breeding and all it entails to do it RIGHT---the less inclined I was to breed. Anything, ever:laugh:

It seems like you're always defending these people, and honestly, the DOGS are the ones that could use your help.

Welcome to YT, I know there is a lot of experience on this forum and it will help you as the family maturess. I hope you can take the info and use it so everyone continues to do well. I realize it can come across direct but it will be helpful. I am rather new and have learned oodles! Whelping can be dangerous in the best of circumstances but when you make it even more risky with toy's it can be even more dangerous. Please post pics of the family. I wish you the best, so far you have been very lucky.

Why am I not surprised that there was someone willing to jump in and actually defend this OP. Sadly, I've come to expect no less. :rolleyes: To heck with the dog and heaven forbid someone with a blatant disregard for the health and well being of their dog receive a healthy dose of reality. Heck, I'm just surprised it took 5 pages. So typical.

I'm sure you had (I hope) the common sense to rip open the sack if the mom didn't...& you had the instincts to take your girl right away to the vet. After your ordeal, you decided breeding is not for you.
The OP specifically made this thread to see if she can breed her girl again. She has the intentions...her being defensive says it all!:mad:

Nope. I pretty much think the gist of it was if the mom wanted it to live, she would have opened the sack :mad:

I actually feel physically sick....

I've been wrapped up in GE that I just now found this thread. I really need to send my box out now so I can catch up. LOL


Here is my question...(as if it even matters now.)

After the two dogs tied, you know by accident and all. What did you do with the next 60 or so days? I watched every video, read every book and every thread I could get time to watch and read. I spoke to as many breeders as I could and still didn't feel ready. One of the first things I learned was about the sack. ???? I'm really heart broken over this thread, because if I had lost Obi during birth I don't think I could have bread Tink again. Not saying it has anything to do with anything but, I would have been devastated as a first time breeder. The last thing I would have done is chance losing my mom after watching the baby die.

I hope you find what your looking for be it advise or justification, but mostly I hope you find knowledge.

I don't see how...
 

...people can neglect researching things when they have the time! Research is important! ::sigh:: Okay so you don't actually want to read up? Well don't call the expert breeders here less than intelligent because some random vet told you otherwise. Here let me make an analogy for you...not that you're reading this anymore, but maybe it will help someone else who doesn't understand get it.

A vet is like a primary care doctor. A primary care doctor can tell you a lot of stuff because they went to medical school and such, BUT a *good* doctor refers you a a specialist when they are out of their league.

So moving along, you become pregnant. Where do human women go when they are preggers? When they need prenatal care? Birthing care? After care? What about after care for the baby? A primary care physician? Nope, they go to a gynecologist for their own prenatal care, birthing, and personal after care because gynecologists have the specific knowledge and went for extra specialized schooling to get more info on that specific field. Babies eventually go to a *pediatrician* and not a primary care physician until they are old enough to because children are also a special case to deal with.

Therefore, I'd say the breeders here as FAR better equipped than a primary care vet and especially more than an emergency vet.

Ever been to the emergency room? Well I have, quite a bit actually, due to my health complications (allergies/asthma/etc.) The release papers ALWAYS tell you to follow up with your primary because they know more about you and your history and are more equipped to handle your personal situation. Docs in ERs actually hardly know anything if whatever is wrong with you isn't easy to pinpoint either. They often tell you to follow up elsewhere.

My two sense is I'd trust the breeders here to know their stuff, especially about Yorkies because that is what they dedicate their LIVES to. Your vet is dedicated to a wide array of animals and I'm sure doesn't have room in their head to know everything there is to know about all of them. Unless you went to a specialized vet, which it doesn't seem like you did. I'd trust the people here...

That's just my opinion though I guess, but my experience in life, logic, and simple analogy tells me it is a good one. ::shrug::

I'm praying for those puppies to make it. <3

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Excellent post!!!

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DvlshAngel985: Thanks! I thought it might be pertinent to post it anyway, even if the OP is no longer reading (well according to them anyway). It seems like that is a popular practice here so that people don't become misinformed or so people who haven't done the research can find it in an easier place.

I thought it was important to try and make everyone understand because some might have thought, "Well she did go the vet and the vet is a doctor with a degree, so the vet is obviously the authority here." Which I don't believe to be true. I think it is pretty easy for anyone to understand the terms because while people don't always understand others (animals included), they are (generally) very good at understanding what pertains to them!

Very good point, and I think it's very clear.