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Mardelin 07-21-2010 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by musiccitymom (Post 3208416)
Meant to ask if there is a specific brand or style of lead you recommend?
Kindness lead.

gemy 07-21-2010 03:00 PM
Yes the kindness leads have a broader piece that goes around the neck.. maybe 1/2 inch or so wide.

Mardelin 07-21-2010 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3208447)
Yes the kindness leads have a broader piece that goes around the neck.. maybe 1/2 inch or so wide.
Gail

I use a custom made lead, the neck piece is braided satin, as most of mine hate the wider neck piece. But, kindness leads are easily accessable to buy.

musiccitymom 07-21-2010 03:24 PM
Thanks! I will check into those

Mardelin 07-21-2010 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by musiccitymom (Post 3208459)
Thanks! I will check into those
The place I order my custom leads from is Magnolia's Cutom Beaded Leads
Magnolias9@aol.com/405-401-5792.

musiccitymom 07-21-2010 03:35 PM
Do I just need one and is there a color that is more successful? lol And if you don't mind my asking... price range?

musiccitymom 07-21-2010 03:36 PM
Are they similar to these?
Regular Toy Kindness Leads-Sparkly Colors

Mardelin 07-21-2010 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by musiccitymom (Post 3208473)
The one's I use are different than the kindness leads; and prices are comperable, unless you start ordering the beaded fancy ones. Black would be best for now, and one is enough for now. If you really begin to enjoy this; I'd invest in a couple more. I find that each dog's preference is different.....If I start counting the leads I have now....I probably could open up my own business.

gemy 07-21-2010 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by musiccitymom (Post 3208359)
See this is what happens when your kids grow up and move on lol I am just south of Nashville and saw where the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America, Inc is holding a competition here in October. I will definitely be there to watch!

Wolfie is just 15.5 wks so he's not ready to do anything yet but I think I may go to a conformation class tomorrow night and just check things out. Wait... do I need a show lead first?

Great that you want to try and learn. Showing is lots of hard work but fun too if you like competition. Beyond the lead, get some "bait" that is some small pieces of treats, you can buy a bait bag that clips onto your belt or pocket to make it easier to bring out to reward your doggie for good behaviour.
For now just make sure you wear something with a pocket in it to put the treats in.

Then you can watch the class, maybe "stack" Wolfie on your lap, who by the way looks adorable, and give him his treats.

Have fun with Wolfie

Mardelin 07-21-2010 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3208484)
Great that you want to try and learn. Showing is lots of hard work but fun too if you like competition. Beyond the lead, get some "bait" that is some small pieces of treats, you can buy a bait bag that clips onto your belt or pocket to make it easier to bring out to reward your doggie for good behaviour.
For now just make sure you wear something with a pocket in it to put the treats in.

Then you can watch the class, maybe "stack" Wolfie on your lap, who by the way looks adorable, and give him his treats.

Have fun with Wolfie
Gail,

You'd never guess what I'm baiting my new little girl with?

Cheerios....she'll do anything for them.

YorkieRose 07-21-2010 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy (Post 3208378)
I didnt know that. I would be interested in going and taking Jazzy with me. How would I find what is available in my area?
I contacted an ALL BREED club and they had classes...I took a pet Doxie, learned a bit, met a show Doxie breeder and she sold me two champion-sired bitches in 3 months..but decided to concentrate on Yorkies..

You could contact Yorkie breeders and ask about any local handling classes..some vets show and have info.

It is a mistake to ONLY concentrate on Yorkies at a show..the show is all day..go and talk to anyone who will talk..you never know who knows who...I have had Maltese, Pom and Boston etc breeders help me...good luck..

YorkieRose 07-21-2010 04:26 PM
PS..as to UKC show..and International KC...perhaps they are more accepted here in Florida. The alst UKC show I attended in May there was a standard poodle there who was AKC Best in SHow the week before...and there were 3 AKC show breeders entered...

If you have the opportunity to attend 2 shows on the same day,,one being AKC and one being UKC..I would pick AKC...but if there are no AKC, why not go and have fun?
I have meet good dog people in every show I have gone to AKC or not...

gemy 07-21-2010 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3208506)
Gail,

You'd never guess what I'm baiting my new little girl with?

Cheerios....she'll do anything for them.

LOL but are they wheat free cheerios:D That's just great cause they travel anywhere, you can get cheerios anywhere too. Have you tried the sweet potatoe dried ? Razz man loves them too, of course he's just a little piggy and will bait for anything.

Mardelin 07-21-2010 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3208534)
LOL but are they wheat free cheerios:D That's just great cause they travel anywhere, you can get cheerios anywhere too. Have you tried the sweet potatoe dried ? Razz man loves them too, of course he's just a little piggy and will bait for anything.
This lil girl is so food motivated, she'll bait to anything. I use the multi-grain. She tends to dine, so I have to cut the Cheerios in 1/2.

Elle 07-21-2010 05:14 PM
YTCA is not represented where? Here on this forum?

What is it that you think YTCA is supposed to do for unethical breeders?

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Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 3207483)
I hope you joined. The club IS for breeders like you--It puts you in company with caring, responsible breeders and can be the bridge to showing. We encourage our members to show and require they attend two shows per year. We recognize the importance of the showing and want to be there to help ease people into it if they so choose. My early showing experiences struck pure terror into my heart and it took a long time to go back. YTCA is not well represented here, IMO. So many times I longed for a club like this where one could feel respected for advancing in baby steps.

Thank you for your interest!

topknot 07-21-2010 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3208506)
Gail,

You'd never guess what I'm baiting my new little girl with?

Cheerios....she'll do anything for them.
LOL... that is what I have been using lately and cheese. I thought I was the only odd one doing this. Better in the mouth to hold on to if you do not have pockets, I have found out. Hehehe

topknot 07-21-2010 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3208534)
LOL but are they wheat free cheerios:D That's just great cause they travel anywhere, you can get cheerios anywhere too. Have you tried the sweet potatoe dried ? Razz man loves them too, of course he's just a little piggy and will bait for anything.
I use the sweet potatoes too for just at home. It is so good for them.

JeanieK 07-21-2010 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3208211)
I AGREE with your post...BUT what I have observed in these many decades is...when a breeder has no connections to show breeders, avoids attending shows to spectate or show...the quality if the dog suffers.

Line up all the breeders in America and it is simply IMO a matter of percentages...more show breeders are dedicated to the betterment of the breed then non-show breeders...
As was pointed out, it is hard for a non show breeder to buy show stock.

So most, just get the best they can find and start from there to better their own breeding stock

But being a show breeder, in itself, does not automatically make you an ethical breeder. And being a non show breeder does not automatically make you an unethical breeder.

Those of us who don't show have to work harder because we don't have the show title to hide behind.

Many people out there only show to get that title and them showcase their ONE and ONLY show dog on their webgsite, leading people to believe that they have show dogs.

And let's not forget there are more puppy mill puppies sold than show and hobby/byb/non show breeders sell, all put together.

Ethics cannot be taught, you either have them or you don't.

Mardelin 07-21-2010 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3208624)
As was pointed out, it is hard for a non show breeder to buy show stock.
So most, just get the best they can find and start from there to better their own breeding stock

But being a show breeder, in itself, does not automatically make you an ethical breeder. And being a non show breeder does not automatically make you an unethical breeder.Those of us who don't show have to work harder because we don't have the show title to hide behind.Many people out there only show to get that title and them showcase their ONE and ONLY show dog on their webgsite, leading people to believe that they have show dogs.

And let's not forget there are more puppy mill puppies sold than show and hobby/byb/non show breeders sell, all put together.

Ethics cannot be taught, you either have them or you don't.
I agree it is difficult for non exhibitors to obtain quality dogs. For more reasons that you know. However, this wasn't a problem until about 10 years ago. Exhibitors that cared about their stock and had spent so much time perfecting their lines, got burnt. This is made them very cautious on who they turn their dogs loose to.

I agree exhibiting does not make you ethical or vise a versa.....You have to be born with that quality.

But, I'm confused what do you mean by have the show title to hide behind?

And yes, there are those that show because they think it's going to promote their puppy sales.

YorkieRose 07-21-2010 06:02 PM
Point taken..there are exceptions to every rule..just a matter of percentages IMO..and one good champion can product excellent puppies for a decade or so.. I would not be ashamed to stand behind one.

Do you find champion-sired puppies sell for more..I do not do that... A pet from a champion is a pet and sells for a pet price, same as a non-champion sired or dam puppy. The most I ever got for a puppy was a very sweet, but plain pet girl..the woman wanted her and offered a blank check.

Elle 07-21-2010 06:05 PM
Says you? I disagree with what you are saying. Your comparisons aren't relevant to this topic.

If it wasn't for YTCA many of these people that have are so deeply in love with little JoJo would not know this pet. It's not a government agency.

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Originally Posted by puppylove11 (Post 3207672)
Here we go again.

We all know an excellent handler can champion any dog for a "hobby breeder", it does not mean the dog meets the standard and is a healthy dog! If one has the extra money they could champion every dog they own. If you know the right judge, right handler, etc! So just because one shows their dogs or hires a handler does not mean they are breeding to the standard or producing healthy litters. As much as I hate to state this again "just because a person is a member of the ytca does not make them reputable or mean they are breeding to better the breed".

JeanieK 07-21-2010 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3208636)
I agree it is difficult for non exhibitors to obtain quality dogs. For more reasons that you know. However, this wasn't a problem until about 10 years ago. Exhibitors that cared about their stock and had spent so much time perfecting their lines, got burnt. This is made them very cautious on who they turn their dogs loose to.

I agree exhibiting does not make you ethical or vise a versa.....You have to be born with that quality.

But, I'm confused what do you mean by have the show title to hide behind?

And yes, there are those that show because they think it's going to promote their puppy sales.
I'm referring to those who only show so they can call themselves an "exhibitor", because people believe that if they buy from someone who shows they are getting better dogs.

And in most cases they do, but not always. As you said some use it to promote puppy sales. Which is what I was trying to say.

Mardelin 07-21-2010 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3208648)
I'm referring to those who only show so they can call themselves an "exhibitor", because people believe that if they buy from someone who shows they are getting better dogs.

And in most cases they do, but not always. As you said some use it to promote puppy sales. Which is what I was trying to say.
Now I understand and agreed. But, you said that because you don't show you have to work harder. I'm still not understanding that. Because if one is exhibiting and put in years of study, training, traveling and championing their dogs, where is that easier? I think that is the more difficult road to take. And more expensive route.

gemy 07-21-2010 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 3208567)
I use the sweet potatoes too for just at home. It is so good for them.

Yes you told me about them a few months ago. and a much belated thank you:thumbup:

Elle 07-21-2010 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3208686)
Yes you told me about them a few months ago. and a much belated thank you:thumbup:
I haven't tried them. I will do it.

JeanieK 07-21-2010 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3208676)
Now I understand and agreed. But, you said that because you don't show you have to work harder. I'm still not understanding that. Because if one is exhibiting and put in years of study, training, traveling and championing their dogs, where is that easier? I think that is the more difficult road to take. And more expensive route.
We have to work harder to produce good dogs, because we cannot buy them.

I can imagine how much work goes into showing, not to mention the time and expense. I go to dog show. I don't talk to the exhibitors because they seem so busy, and I feel intimidated.

topknot 07-21-2010 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3208686)
Yes you told me about them a few months ago. and a much belated thank you:thumbup:
I knew I told someone!! Haha :D It has been crazy around here this summer with my hubby and I forget who I tell what sometimes. Maybe I should have had that second cup of coffee. Hehehe I am glad the sweet potatoes are working - I know mine love them. And they are so easy to give.

Mardelin 07-21-2010 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3208700)
We have to work harder to produce good dogs, because we cannot buy them.

I can imagine how much work goes into showing, not to mention the time and expense. I go to dog show. I don't talk to the exhibitors because they seem so busy, and I feel intimidated.
Don't ever feel intimidated, they are for the most part very nice. Just don't go up to them prior to the shows, that's when they are busy and oh so nervous. Attempting to get the dog ready for the ring in time. Try putting up a topknot, only to have to take it down 3 times, just because your beloved Fifi isn't cooperating and it's 10 minutes before ring time. I usually tell people that are standing around watching me groom, looking like they want to ask questions, that I'll be happy to answer all their questions and allow them to hold the dog after I get out of the ring.

JeanieK 07-21-2010 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3208720)
Don't ever feel intimidated, they are for the most part very nice. Just don't go up to them prior to the shows, that's when they are busy and oh so nervous. Attempting to get the dog ready for the ring in time. Try putting up a topknot, only to have to take it down 3 times, just because your beloved Fifi isn't cooperating and it's 10 minutes before ring time. I usually tell people that are standing around watching me groom, looking like they want to ask questions, that I'll be happy to answer all their questions and allow them to hold the dog after I get out of the ring.
Thank you for that tip.

JeanieK 07-21-2010 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 3208719)
I knew I told someone!! Haha :D It has been crazy around here this summer with my hubby and I forget who I tell what sometimes. Maybe I should have had that second cup of coffee. Hehehe I am glad the sweet potatoes are working - I know mine love them. And they are so easy to give.
Do you buy them dried or do you dry them yourself?


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