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How does a breeder who doesn't show get show stock and a tip top stud, though? I am under the impression that show quality puppies are very hard to come by unless you have a mentor and that usually there is a co-ownership agreement that the dog must be championed prior to breeding. I've known breeders who have made the transition from byb's to small hobby show breeders that way, but I have never heard of show breeders letting show quality puppies go to breeders who only have pet quality breeding stock or allowing a champion stud to be bred with a pet. |
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It is a real challenge for NON show breeders, because if they don't show, show breeders will not sell to them, period. So they have to just try to find the best stock that they can and build their own lines. It's not the showing that determines a good breeder from a bad one. It is the responsibility you take. |
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I kept hanging around the ring until people got sick of my pitiful look...just being there..at every show, event and I guess I gave the impression I was NOT going away. I realize I started a long time ago..but even as recent as 3 years ago I know a novice who asked to be referred to stud clients of show breeders who were willing to sell to them...and yes, you may have to start by co-owning a breeding bitch, but why not...all you need is one good puppy from that bitch to start...once I got a good bitch I was never turned away from stud service with good champions. Buy the best bitch you can and breed to the best stud available to you...take one of those pups in the ring...even if it is not the best..you have to get known. If I may tell this..Jamie Bennett..one of the best handlers and breeders started with an average male. She bought it from a friend of mine, who used good stud service, but never showed. Jamie show him at every show and dedicated herself to her goal..got a few singles on him...but what it really got her was the attention of one of the best..and look where she is now...but it does not happen overnight. The truth is, you do not have to have that good a prospect to show...you are buying experince and need a dog on the end of the lead..look for something decent, as good as you can get, grow a coat, go to handling classes and show it...I showed several "frogs" before I was able to breed a "Prince"... I showed a pet male at a Specialty one time..a woman at ringside asked me why..I told her it was the best I could do...she gave me a champion bitch, outright, no strings.. A sincere desire to achieve your goal will be recognized over time...and people need to see honesty and intrigity in you too. Your word is gold and there are no excuses not to keep it. |
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Anyone can call themselves anything ! A while back we had a woman in our church calling her self a "Doctor" , yes... she was giving free advice and even attempting to "treat" some naive people because she was a "doctor" ... with time she became an "almost doctor" and finally she admitted she was no doctor when confronted about some very wrong advice she was giving. I was suspicious from the beginning, because i am not a doctor, but my brother was and i unfortunately have tons of personal hospital experiences. BYB can call themselves whatever they want , and they will !!! No doubt about that ! But their practices will also show what they really are, some have good intentions, some do not have good intentions.. some care and others dont. As long as they BEHAVE like a BYB that is what they will be. Just one thing i forgot to add on the post : no spay or neuter obligations , full rights offered to anyone who "shows the money on the table" are also characteristics of BYB . I also never seen not even a well intended BYB offer to take back any pups they produce if the situation comes about . The more we put the word "out there" the more we get people educated ... XOXO |
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Line up all the breeders in America and it is simply IMO a matter of percentages...more show breeders are dedicated to the betterment of the breed then non-show breeders... |
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sooo....would a person that just wanted to see if it was for them take some handling classes and try UKC first? :) Just asking |
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Absolutely..UKC..pet parades, you name it..LOL If you are full of pride you will miss so many opportunities to learn and you just might open a closed door. You DO NOT need a show prospect to attend a handling class...you need a DOG. Classes are more for the human then the dog..you will learn how to handle a dog...didn't someone just post any good handler can finish a dog..even a dead cat? |
See this is what happens when your kids grow up and move on lol I am just south of Nashville and saw where the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America, Inc is holding a competition here in October. I will definitely be there to watch! Wolfie is just 15.5 wks so he's not ready to do anything yet but I think I may go to a conformation class tomorrow night and just check things out. Wait... do I need a show lead first? |
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Oh my word! That is embarrassing lol I need to read things a bit more closely : ) Thanks for all your help |
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Failing that is there a show breeder relatively close to you willing to help you? Showing dogs at a dog show is rather a daunting undertaking and moreso with any coated breed to learn the grooming for the ring. |
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The nonshow breeder knows nothing of their breed and what they produce is pretty poor representatives of the breed. Breeding pet to pet stock only produces worse and worse representatives of the breed. |
Actually his breeder was not a show breeder, Wolfie's father (let's see if I word this correctly) was a show prospect but didn't make weight. She had him and just one female for breeding and after a couple of litters has decided it was just not for her. He has a couple of Champions in his pedigree but I doubt he would be show quality in y'alls eyes. That is why I would just test the waters so to speak before I go in too deep. Also I am new to the breed so I don't know any show breeders here close to me. Just thought it would be fun to give it a whirl.... I already have him so what the heck :p |
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Wolfie and you can start handling classes when he is about 5.5 to 6 months. He needs to have all his shots first. That is how my handling classes go. In my class there are beginners and veterans that just want to expose their new puppies to the sounds and smells of class. I have learned from them too. I am the only one there with yorkies. The class I attend is for table top breeds (toys) and then the next class that night is for larger breeds. But how they do the classes depends on how many sign up for that session of the class. Have fun and let us know how it goes. Wolfie is a cutie! And also go to the shows! You need both. |
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I was kind of like Pat and kept going to shows and watch the Yorkies, talked to the breeders that were there. I did that for years before I finally had a bitch i could get a start with. And I found when I approached reputable breeders, yep they recognized me from hanging around the dog shows for a couple of years. |
Thank you all for the information and encouragement. I am at the infodog site and all the abbreviations for shows in TN are like a foreign language lol |
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Thanks! There are 3 or four in the upcoming months that are close. |
Meant to ask if there is a specific brand or style of lead you recommend? |
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