Jeff Dane...again. - YorkieTalk.com Forums

sylvan · 10-26-2005, 10:49 AM

Don't want to start a heated thread, but I was contacted by pm for information regarding Jeff Dane. I expressed my opinion and then recieved a rather rude response. If anyone would like to contribute factual information of their experiences to support or deny our overall opinion of this breeder, please feel free to share.
also note, I never used the word teacup nor mentioned the Iraq war..this is the messages reprinted in entirety. I eliminated this persons name from the pm's, otherwise they are completely un-edited.
TO ME
Quote::
Originally Posted
How do you know Jeff Dane is is a bad breeder? My mom bought her 2 yorkies from him about one year ago and I would like to buy one from him for Christmas. what don't I know?

FROM ME
Hi ********, I am glad to hear your mom is the exception rather than the rule. Jeff Dane is well known as one of the worst miller/brokers on line. There are quite a few people on this board that have had direct dealings with him and though his sales tactics are impeccable, his post market behavior is appalling. Anyone that has ever bought a dog from him that displayed any kind of health issues (and there are many) was replied to with rudeness and disregard. He buys pups from auction and backyard breeders in lots and then resells for huge profit. There are over 50 yorkie pups listed on his site right now in addition to Poodles, Poms,Chis, Pekes,Papillons,Shih tzus and mixes. He has bragged about breeding a york to a Rottweiler to produce a kick-ass yorkie. He has sold sick, tiny dogs for $10,000. The ACA registration he uses is well known as a mill-producers registry and is not worth the paper it's printed on, but functions as a good sales tool.
One of the members here was ignorant as to the background of the dogs she got from him, believed his pitch and unfortunately chose to breed the poor pet quality dogs she purchased and had a liver shunt puppy die in her hands. He is a master at manipulation and uses multiple websites and e-mails to counter complaints lodged against him with false testimonials and slamming tactics. His sole motivation is greed. There is no way possible for anyone to properly care for and socialize the hundreds of dogs that come in and out of his possession on a regular basis. Any of the reputable breeders (whispersmom, yorkierose, feminvstr,wnalegria and more) on this site will tell you that he is just very bad news. Our opinion is not based on jealousy, but on the heartbreaking stories we have all heard from so many people that lost cherished pets due to his unconscionable practices and on our true love of the breed.

There are plenty of good breeders out there as alternatives. AKC.org, YTCA.org and the questions to ask a breeder on www.buyingapuppy.com are good resources to begin with. Please look elsewhere for a pup.

Don't just accept my word on this, check any search engine on line or put his name into the search on here and you will see both opinions and can judge for yourself.
Thanks for asking, Stacy

BACK TO ME
All you told me is hear say, I searched Google and there was one guy named Ben from 1 year ago that was bad mouthing Jeff Dane, none of Ben's emails or contact infomation worked when I tried to ask him a quesion, how can his statements be confirmed, can any of what you are saying be confirmed? Is there anyone on this Yorkietalk board willing to state any of this slander against Jeff Dane in court? Maybe you? I would think if he is and his business were as bad as you say he is, he would be barred from the AKC,,,, he is not (I see AKC pups listed on his site along with ACA), he would have complaints at the Better Business bureau?,,, I checked he has none that I can find, and if you say he sells hundreds of pups every year and only has ghost figures writing messages on the Internet web sites complaining about him,,, not a one could I contact back, why is Google quoted so much here, where is the fact?,,, Where is the hatrid coming from? Bad news travels like wildfire, good news gets over looked. Look at the Iraq war. My mom and a few on this board rave about yorkiepup.com but that seems to be not interesting enough to talk about here. This board wants to bash, and bash. I find that very imature. The word Teacup,,,, my God, please grow up.

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feminvstr · 10-26-2005, 10:56 AM

youre writer said she wanted facts from buyers here is two I found on an EASY google search!!!

More often than not it is known he sells sick pups, if you want a sick pup be sure and donate to his greed and cause!

Answer by Ben
Submitted on 6/10/2004
Rating: Rate this answer: N/A Worst Weak OK Good Great
Considering buying a pup from

Yorkiepup.com (Jeff Dane)?

Consider the facts below.

1 - My first-hand experience.

Jeff is a puppy mill breeder who presents himself online as a compassionate and responsible person, but once he has your money, you're pretty much an
annoyance to him.

I bought a pup from him. It died in 2 weeks from a vet-confirmed birth defect. Jeff was rude, uncaring, and blew up when we asked for compensation for the 700.00 in vet bills. Sound like a compassionate person to you?

2 - Do a google search on him. See the SPAM that he posts advertising his business. Also take note that "other people" often post on his behalf, but
textually sound a lot like Jeff himself. Also note that Jeff sells farm equipment. If somebody starts speaking out against him on a bulletin board, suddenly the thread is spammed with a bunch of farm-equipment information, and the thread is locked. Also look at the source code of his website,
might be of interest. His writing presents him as more of a psycho than a compassionate breeder.

3 - Jeff was previously in the monster-truck biz, until he quit because it wasn't lucrative enough (all info taken from online research, i.e. GOOGLE). So he got into a more lucrative business - puppy mills. In his words, "MONEY
MOTIVATES!!"

4 - After one day of posting these messages, I have been contacted by several other people who have had similar experiences in buying his
puppies.

BE SMART. DON'T GIVE YOUR MONEY

TO A CON-MAN. feel free to email me =)

feminvstr · 10-26-2005, 10:58 AM

here is the second post I found

BTW look like your writer was on a personal attack!! Perhaps its Jeff Dane in his rather sheepish clothing!!! Where did Stacy say TEA CUP or the IRAQ war in her post...if anyone needs to grow up perhaps one day you can stand as tall as Stacy does now!

Answer by lbear
Submitted on 6/19/2004
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We bought a dog a year ago from Jeff. My daughters yorkie pup died last year from another breeder. We thought we found a good breeder in Jeff. Paid a $1000 for Bart (notice all his pups have a rotation of names) He knew how important it was NOT to get a sick puppy. He did seem to rush us at his house. Not two hours after leaving on the trip home we heard a strange cough. We called him immediately. "He didn't have a cough at in my care." Told me to give him some baby cough med. Monday took him to the vet sure enough he had kennel cough. Long story short. This took 3 months to clear up and $1500 in vet bills. He almost died. Between the vet and I we had to give him nebulizer treatments w/meds 3 times a day. Anytime I called Jeff he was rude, said the vets were in it for money. My vet felt sorry for us and stopped charging. He's a great puppy now. But when we want to add another yorkie - we won't go back to Jeff.

JHurtt · 10-26-2005, 11:05 AM

Stacy,
You did a great job at trying to inform this person. It is sad that people feel that they need to see everything first hand, especially in situations like this, to believe it. Sometimes, especially dealing with living creatues, word of mouth should be enough. In his / her response, they stead-fastly defended Jeff Danes and did not seem to even acknowledge some of the information that you gave them. It sadly seems as if this person has full developed their own opinion and is not willing to listen to anything that does not support it. As sad as it is, the only way this person will probably come to realize just what they are dealing with is by purchasing a puppy from him and going through everything themselves. They stated that their mother bought two puppies a year ago and that they have no health problems. I truly hope that they never do, but the truth of the matter is that so many problems don't develop until years later. Again, you did a great job! Keep on trying to inform those who are blind to what goes on in the puppy world. You might not (and probably won't) get through to this individual, but there are so many people out there who are willing to listen to the advice that knowledgable people have to offer.

Virginia Hearod · 10-26-2005, 11:12 AM

Can any of you contact the writers of these Google posts? Anyone? I tryed, not one works, not one could I reply to. Where are they facts? Any jealous breeder could write these. Why does everyone on this board over look facts? Just because I read Elvis is alive on the Internet does not make it so.
Virginia

feminvstr · 10-26-2005, 11:27 AM

Virginia, seems to me youre fighting your own battle, defending a tarnished breeders reputation! Are you proping him up for you own gain???

Tell me why would any reputable breeder be jealous??? I would rather give myself an enema than to allow someone to make money off administering one!

JCarlson2004 · 10-26-2005, 11:32 AM

Stacy you did a noble thing by trying to educate this person. I'm sorry she attacked you the way she did. You know what the old saying, ingorance is bliss.

yorkiemom1970 · 10-26-2005, 12:18 PM

Facts are facts. He does have 63 puppies ready to go right now on his site. I was on general yorkie discussion and I was told that I had no facts. The website speaks for itself.

Carters Mom · 10-26-2005, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sylvan

BACK TO ME
All you told me is hear say, I searched Google and there was one guy named Ben from 1 year ago that was bad mouthing Jeff Dane, none of Ben's emails or contact infomation worked when I tried to ask him a quesion, how can his statements be confirmed, can any of what you are saying be confirmed? Is there anyone on this Yorkietalk board willing to state any of this slander against Jeff Dane in court? Maybe you? I would think if he is and his business were as bad as you say he is, he would be barred from the AKC,,,, he is not (I see AKC pups listed on his site along with ACA), he would have complaints at the Better Business bureau?,,, I checked he has none that I can find, and if you say he sells hundreds of pups every year and only has ghost figures writing messages on the Internet web sites complaining about him,,, not a one could I contact back, why is Google quoted so much here, where is the fact?,,, Where is the hatrid coming from? Bad news travels like wildfire, good news gets over looked. Look at the Iraq war. My mom and a few on this board rave about yorkiepup.com but that seems to be not interesting enough to talk about here. This board wants to bash, and bash. I find that very imature. The word Teacup,,,, my God, please grow up.

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Didn't I see this exact post made by a member in another thread? Am I confused? What is going on here? Really?

txshopper73 · 10-26-2005, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Virginia, seems to me youre fighting your own battle, defending a tarnished breeders reputation! Are you proping him up for you own gain???

Tell me why would any reputable breeder be jealous??? I would rather give myself an enema than to allow someone to make money off administering one!

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

Facts are facts. He does have 63 puppies ready to go right now on his site. I was on general yorkie discussion and I was told that I had no facts. The website speaks for itself.

Very well said. I wouldn't post anymore on this thread. Sylvan, you did an awesome job trying to educate this person. She's obviously asked you about it as a bait. Please everyone let's not get into it with her. Just sounds like trouble.

red98vett · 10-26-2005, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Virginia Hearod

Can any of you contact the writers of these Google posts? Anyone? I tryed, not one works, not one could I reply to. Where are they facts? Any jealous breeder could write these. Why does everyone on this board over look facts? Just because I read Elvis is alive on the Internet does not make it so.
Virginia

I'm sorry to jump in here - but when people TAKE THE TIME to help others by writing about bad experiences...it helps the NEXT person who may make that same mistake. I SERIOUSLY doubt any breeder feels the need to post about another breeder who has 20 websites and sells teacup yorkies - AND charges outrageous prices on top of it - There are plenty of unhappy customers on the net posting about it - THAT is where lots of information comes from.

People are free to post their experiences and it seems they do just that.

Anyone can see what kind of breeder he is - The yorkie pictures on his website are sad. Putting a tiny dog and balancing it on top of a coke can is just TACKY....and 63 puppies for sale ? That is just GREEDY and sounds more like a mill to me than a breeder.

MeganS · 10-26-2005, 12:32 PM

Stacy, you did a great thing trying to educate this person

its sad how some people just don't want to learn. i'm sorry she attacked you the way she did, but just know you did the right thing!

BamaFan121s · 10-26-2005, 12:35 PM

Wow, there are Yorkies in Iraq? What? If you are so upset by people's opinions on Jeff Dane on this site...go elsewhere.

red98vett · 10-26-2005, 12:50 PM

I saw SIX breeds of Dog he's selling. I guess the word upscale puppy mill came to mind...The Credit Cards floating all over the sites are a nice touch too -

but the sad part is their faces ...I remember my first time on his websites looking at yorkies - they just looked scared out of their wits and I wanted them all.

Itspuppyluv · 10-26-2005, 01:03 PM

I didn't need to read other people's tragic stories to form my opinion. The website speaks for itself. There are so many things wrong I don't know where to start. #1 is way too many dogs!
Btw, they have pictures of 4 dogs on there that weigh 1.8 pounds (and under) grown and they aren't exactly making it to old age. They should think about getting some larger dogs.

10-26-2005, 10:56 AM	#2
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	youre writer said she wanted facts from buyers here is two I found on an EASY google search!!! More often than not it is known he sells sick pups, if you want a sick pup be sure and donate to his greed and cause! Answer by Ben Submitted on 6/10/2004 Rating: Rate this answer: N/A Worst Weak OK Good Great Considering buying a pup from Yorkiepup.com (Jeff Dane)? Consider the facts below. 1 - My first-hand experience. Jeff is a puppy mill breeder who presents himself online as a compassionate and responsible person, but once he has your money, you're pretty much an annoyance to him. I bought a pup from him. It died in 2 weeks from a vet-confirmed birth defect. Jeff was rude, uncaring, and blew up when we asked for compensation for the 700.00 in vet bills. Sound like a compassionate person to you? 2 - Do a google search on him. See the SPAM that he posts advertising his business. Also take note that "other people" often post on his behalf, but textually sound a lot like Jeff himself. Also note that Jeff sells farm equipment. If somebody starts speaking out against him on a bulletin board, suddenly the thread is spammed with a bunch of farm-equipment information, and the thread is locked. Also look at the source code of his website, might be of interest. His writing presents him as more of a psycho than a compassionate breeder. 3 - Jeff was previously in the monster-truck biz, until he quit because it wasn't lucrative enough (all info taken from online research, i.e. GOOGLE). So he got into a more lucrative business - puppy mills. In his words, "MONEY MOTIVATES!!" 4 - After one day of posting these messages, I have been contacted by several other people who have had similar experiences in buying his puppies. BE SMART. DON'T GIVE YOUR MONEY TO A CON-MAN. feel free to email me =) __________________ Kimberly

10-26-2005, 10:58 AM	#3
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	here is the second post I found BTW look like your writer was on a personal attack!! Perhaps its Jeff Dane in his rather sheepish clothing!!! Where did Stacy say TEA CUP or the IRAQ war in her post...if anyone needs to grow up perhaps one day you can stand as tall as Stacy does now! Answer by lbear Submitted on 6/19/2004 Rating: Rate this answer: N/A Worst Weak OK Good Great We bought a dog a year ago from Jeff. My daughters yorkie pup died last year from another breeder. We thought we found a good breeder in Jeff. Paid a $1000 for Bart (notice all his pups have a rotation of names) He knew how important it was NOT to get a sick puppy. He did seem to rush us at his house. Not two hours after leaving on the trip home we heard a strange cough. We called him immediately. "He didn't have a cough at in my care." Told me to give him some baby cough med. Monday took him to the vet sure enough he had kennel cough. Long story short. This took 3 months to clear up and $1500 in vet bills. He almost died. Between the vet and I we had to give him nebulizer treatments w/meds 3 times a day. Anytime I called Jeff he was rude, said the vets were in it for money. My vet felt sorry for us and stopped charging. He's a great puppy now. But when we want to add another yorkie - we won't go back to Jeff. __________________ Kimberly

10-26-2005, 11:05 AM	#4
JHurtt Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 319	Stacy, You did a great job at trying to inform this person. It is sad that people feel that they need to see everything first hand, especially in situations like this, to believe it. Sometimes, especially dealing with living creatues, word of mouth should be enough. In his / her response, they stead-fastly defended Jeff Danes and did not seem to even acknowledge some of the information that you gave them. It sadly seems as if this person has full developed their own opinion and is not willing to listen to anything that does not support it. As sad as it is, the only way this person will probably come to realize just what they are dealing with is by purchasing a puppy from him and going through everything themselves. They stated that their mother bought two puppies a year ago and that they have no health problems. I truly hope that they never do, but the truth of the matter is that so many problems don't develop until years later. Again, you did a great job! Keep on trying to inform those who are blind to what goes on in the puppy world. You might not (and probably won't) get through to this individual, but there are so many people out there who are willing to listen to the advice that knowledgable people have to offer. __________________ Jen and the Bloomin' Biewers Gang

10-26-2005, 11:12 AM	#5
Virginia Hearod Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14	yorkiepup.com Can any of you contact the writers of these Google posts? Anyone? I tryed, not one works, not one could I reply to. Where are they facts? Any jealous breeder could write these. Why does everyone on this board over look facts? Just because I read Elvis is alive on the Internet does not make it so. Virginia __________________ Great kids

10-26-2005, 11:27 AM	#6
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	Virginia, seems to me youre fighting your own battle, defending a tarnished breeders reputation! Are you proping him up for you own gain??? Tell me why would any reputable breeder be jealous??? I would rather give myself an enema than to allow someone to make money off administering one! __________________ Kimberly

10-26-2005, 10:49 AM	#1
sylvan YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 2,484	Jeff Dane...again. Don't want to start a heated thread, but I was contacted by pm for information regarding Jeff Dane. I expressed my opinion and then recieved a rather rude response. If anyone would like to contribute factual information of their experiences to support or deny our overall opinion of this breeder, please feel free to share. also note, I never used the word teacup nor mentioned the Iraq war..this is the messages reprinted in entirety. I eliminated this persons name from the pm's, otherwise they are completely un-edited. TO ME Quote:: Originally Posted How do you know Jeff Dane is is a bad breeder? My mom bought her 2 yorkies from him about one year ago and I would like to buy one from him for Christmas. what don't I know? FROM ME Hi ********, I am glad to hear your mom is the exception rather than the rule. Jeff Dane is well known as one of the worst miller/brokers on line. There are quite a few people on this board that have had direct dealings with him and though his sales tactics are impeccable, his post market behavior is appalling. Anyone that has ever bought a dog from him that displayed any kind of health issues (and there are many) was replied to with rudeness and disregard. He buys pups from auction and backyard breeders in lots and then resells for huge profit. There are over 50 yorkie pups listed on his site right now in addition to Poodles, Poms,Chis, Pekes,Papillons,Shih tzus and mixes. He has bragged about breeding a york to a Rottweiler to produce a kick-ass yorkie. He has sold sick, tiny dogs for $10,000. The ACA registration he uses is well known as a mill-producers registry and is not worth the paper it's printed on, but functions as a good sales tool. One of the members here was ignorant as to the background of the dogs she got from him, believed his pitch and unfortunately chose to breed the poor pet quality dogs she purchased and had a liver shunt puppy die in her hands. He is a master at manipulation and uses multiple websites and e-mails to counter complaints lodged against him with false testimonials and slamming tactics. His sole motivation is greed. There is no way possible for anyone to properly care for and socialize the hundreds of dogs that come in and out of his possession on a regular basis. Any of the reputable breeders (whispersmom, yorkierose, feminvstr,wnalegria and more) on this site will tell you that he is just very bad news. Our opinion is not based on jealousy, but on the heartbreaking stories we have all heard from so many people that lost cherished pets due to his unconscionable practices and on our true love of the breed. There are plenty of good breeders out there as alternatives. AKC.org, YTCA.org and the questions to ask a breeder on www.buyingapuppy.com are good resources to begin with. Please look elsewhere for a pup. Don't just accept my word on this, check any search engine on line or put his name into the search on here and you will see both opinions and can judge for yourself. Thanks for asking, Stacy BACK TO ME All you told me is hear say, I searched Google and there was one guy named Ben from 1 year ago that was bad mouthing Jeff Dane, none of Ben's emails or contact infomation worked when I tried to ask him a quesion, how can his statements be confirmed, can any of what you are saying be confirmed? Is there anyone on this Yorkietalk board willing to state any of this slander against Jeff Dane in court? Maybe you? I would think if he is and his business were as bad as you say he is, he would be barred from the AKC,,,, he is not (I see AKC pups listed on his site along with ACA), he would have complaints at the Better Business bureau?,,, I checked he has none that I can find, and if you say he sells hundreds of pups every year and only has ghost figures writing messages on the Internet web sites complaining about him,,, not a one could I contact back, why is Google quoted so much here, where is the fact?,,, Where is the hatrid coming from? Bad news travels like wildfire, good news gets over looked. Look at the Iraq war. My mom and a few on this board rave about yorkiepup.com but that seems to be not interesting enough to talk about here. This board wants to bash, and bash. I find that very imature. The word Teacup,,,, my God, please grow up. __________________

10-26-2005, 11:32 AM	#7
JCarlson2004 Mommy To 3 Poochies Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York Posts: 8,287	Stacy you did a noble thing by trying to educate this person. I'm sorry she attacked you the way she did. You know what the old saying, ingorance is bliss. __________________ Mommy Loves Codie, Tia & Baby Cali RIP My Precious Katie - I Love You

10-26-2005, 12:18 PM	#8
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	Facts are facts. He does have 63 puppies ready to go right now on his site. I was on general yorkie discussion and I was told that I had no facts. The website speaks for itself.

10-26-2005, 12:32 PM	#12
MeganS Donating YT 7000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,016 Blog Entries: 1	Stacy, you did a great thing trying to educate this person its sad how some people just don't want to learn. i'm sorry she attacked you the way she did, but just know you did the right thing! __________________ Megan "I have my dreams, I have made plans." - The Pirate Queen All Gave Some; Some Gave All

10-26-2005, 12:35 PM	#13
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	Wow, there are Yorkies in Iraq? What? If you are so upset by people's opinions on Jeff Dane on this site...go elsewhere.

10-26-2005, 12:50 PM	#14
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	I saw SIX breeds of Dog he's selling. I guess the word upscale puppy mill came to mind...The Credit Cards floating all over the sites are a nice touch too - but the sad part is their faces ...I remember my first time on his websites looking at yorkies - they just looked scared out of their wits and I wanted them all. __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

10-26-2005, 01:03 PM	#15
Itspuppyluv Gus Is The Fuss Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,277	I didn't need to read other people's tragic stories to form my opinion. The website speaks for itself. There are so many things wrong I don't know where to start. #1 is way too many dogs! Btw, they have pictures of 4 dogs on there that weigh 1.8 pounds (and under) grown and they aren't exactly making it to old age. They should think about getting some larger dogs. __________________ Erin & Gus Gus You lost me at stay! "He is a good heart and a kind soul, and an angel on four feet." MW