We are 7 days since breeding and hoping for lil ones!

[YorkieProud]

You have a good head on your shoulders and I am sure you will do fine. I hope things go well for you and Diamond. I am enjoying the updates, so please continue. Oh by the way, when is Diamond due? Just want to make sure I am online on or around that day if possible.
Thanks and good luck!
YorkieProud


MY YORKIES ARE SMARTER THAN MOST HUMANS!!! LOL!!

[smartpuppiepets]

Not too long ago i had a very normal delivery of a "singleton" hoooorayyyyy !!!!
I had c-sections on 5 pups, 4 pups , 3 pups and 2 pups and 1 pup before... i also had normal deliveries from 6 puppies to .... 1 puppy It depends too much on too many factors.
You are totally right ! Be ready and prepared for anything no matter what ... But i wish you a blessed easy delivery ... of 3 ... crossing my fingers for that third hidden FEMALE in there ... hidding from you ...
Blessings !
XOXO

[Elle]

Originally Posted by DaimondsDad

Elle not sure where you are trying to go with this but if you read the posts there are plenty of other YM that have had a free whelp birth with two pups, I have actually read a few with just one pup. My comment on prepared for the unexpected is just as I stated I am preparing for it all meaning the good and the bad that comes with whelping! As you know anything can change at the drop of a dime. I have at least 7 vets within 5 minutes from my home and my vet is actually a young guy not a "ole timer" and yeah I am set in my ways and don't plan on changing my plans for I have been doing this for many years. This was intended just as a friendly post so you can like it or don't not really looking for approval but all advice is welcomed.

I'm not trying to "go" anywhere. I'm not good on the keyboard. I wanted to a address a c section in the event that another person read it. We don't have to be the same.

I feel it's helpful to know what to expect. My vet charges so little to do both, just as many vets. IMO they do this so that people will. Even poorly planned breeding could have safer outcomes if people would care more about the well-being of their bitch. Someone said it in another post last night or this morning. I haven't heard it in a long time. (due bear with me I get emotional about these little monkeys) When they said irresponsible breeding is abusive. It is true. Knowing a bitch began dropping pups before the human knew she was pregnant, this one needed a sec or trying to do dew claws themselves.

Of course there are folks here that have free whelped singletons and pairs. This doesn't mean it's safe.
Some breeders won't xray or ultrasound, so if they don't know what they have when they're dealing with it. It's not only about the size. They don't get enough hormones and strong enough contractions. Lets start another thread about this so it's about your bitch. Don't you think this is the best thing?

[Elle]

Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets

Not too long ago i had a very normal delivery of a "singleton" hoooorayyyyy !!!!
I had c-sections on 5 pups, 4 pups , 3 pups and 2 pups and 1 pup before... i also had normal deliveries from 6 puppies to .... 1 puppy It depends too much on too many factors.
You are totally right ! Be ready and prepared for anything no matter what ... But i wish you a blessed easy delivery ... of 3 ... crossing my fingers for that third hidden FEMALE in there ... hidding from you ...
Blessings !
XOXO

Did you know it was a singleton? Was it a first time mom? How big is she? How much did puppy weight?

[smartpuppiepets]

Originally Posted by Elle

Did you know it was a singleton? Was it a first time mom? How big is she? How much did puppy weight?

Yes i did know it was a singleton, yes it was her first and yes the pup was a very healthy 4.5 ounces at birth , now about 2... 2.5 pounds i would say ... will not go back to the vets for another couple more weeks. He is just GORGEOUS !!! No kidding...
there was a question about the "tie" and at some point we thought that no pregnancy had been achieved ... but.... it did !!!
Anything can happen in breeding and the only wise thing to do is be ready for anything and everything , anytime all the time , under any circumstances !
Although the OP seems to be on top, i wanted to post to encourage him and wish him the best free whelp delivery !
Good thoughts never harm!
XOXO
Ps .. forgot to answer one thing, mom is a healthy 6 pounds girl !

[DaimondsDad]

Elle
I get what you are talking about with the c-section. I am very much aware of the possibility of a c-section but I definetly don't want to have to put Diamond on any anesthesia if it is not necessary. She was a very healthy 6lbs before and I am very prepared in the event that for some reason she would require a c-section. I know the distress signs to look for, and I am in no way saying not to give me advice for I have listened and learned alot from others but I do want you to know that I have given alot of thought and planning into this process and we are very well prepared as I know that things can go wrong at the drop of a dime. Thanks for the input.

[DaimondsDad]

Oh by the way Diamond is due July 6 2010!

[Elle]

Originally Posted by DaimondsDad

Elle
I get what you are talking about with the c-section. I am very much aware of the possibility of a c-section but I definetly don't want to have to put Diamond on any anesthesia if it is not necessary. She was a very healthy 6lbs before and I am very prepared in the event that for some reason she would require a c-section. I know the distress signs to look for, and I am in no way saying not to give me advice for I have listened and learned alot from others but I do want you to know that I have given alot of thought and planning into this process and we are very well prepared as I know that things can go wrong at the drop of a dime. Thanks for the input.

Anesthesia is my smallest concern with a c-section. Right vet, very safe. They have anesthesia throughout their life.

[DaimondsDad]

Elle
you can handle your situation how you want to handle it but I'm not putting my Diamond thru a "surgical procedure" unless my vet feels it is necessary in which he doesn't or unless something goes wrong with the delivery in which I have stated i am prepared fro. So nothing in this world that you post or reply with will convince me otherwise to do so if it is absoultely not necessary. I have read a couple of your latest posts and it seems that if someone isn't doing things the way you like then you consider it wrong....Sounds to me like you are pretty much set in your ways as well.....If you wanna try and persuade someone else to have a unessecary c-section go start another thread bc we all on here are just enjoying our lil ones pregnancy and hoping for the best but preparing for the anything.

[WinstonMom]

My vet also does a very gentle palpation at about 25-28 days to confirm pregnancy. She has also done a very accurate puppy count for me at this time. I would not let anyone palpate my dog unless they were very experienced and do so with a gentle touch. We also have x-rays done at 7 to 8 weeks to determine puppy size and position. Rarely do I have an ultrasound done, it is not as accurate with size or puppy numbers.
I have never had a singleton pup but have had several litters of two, some of them free whelp, some were c-section. I have also had c-sections done with 5 small pups that were positioned badly. If my vet thinks that the pups are small enough that a natural delivery is possible, I would NEVER put my mom and pups through a c-section unless it became necessary during the course of whelping. And yes, I agree that anaesthesia is a concern, it is a concern for people, it is a concern for dogs and it is certainly a concern for newborn pups. A surgical delivery is infinitely more dangerous for both mom and pups.
DiamondsDad, I agree with you on this situation, just make sure that your vet is available to you night and day, and do not hesitate for a minute if you think that anything is happening that is not right.

[MadDeDo]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

My vet also does a very gentle palpation at about 25-28 days to confirm pregnancy. She has also done a very accurate puppy count for me at this time. I would not let anyone palpate my dog unless they were very experienced and do so with a gentle touch. We also have x-rays done at 7 to 8 weeks to determine puppy size and position. Rarely do I have an ultrasound done, it is not as accurate with size or puppy numbers.
I have never had a singleton pup but have had several litters of two, some of them free whelp, some were c-section. I have also had c-sections done with 5 small pups that were positioned badly. If my vet thinks that the pups are small enough that a natural delivery is possible, I would NEVER put my mom and pups through a c-section unless it became necessary during the course of whelping. And yes, I agree that anaesthesia is a concern, it is a concern for people, it is a concern for dogs and it is certainly a concern for newborn pups. A surgical delivery is infinitely more dangerous for both mom and pups.
DiamondsDad, I agree with you on this situation, just make sure that your vet is available to you night and day, and do not hesitate for a minute if you think that anything is happening that is not right.

I do the same and have been to many different vets, and have been told by all of them and a few long time breeders to always allow a female to go into labor and at least TRY for a natural birth before putting them through a section. Unless there is an underlying health issue or reason to get the puppies out ASAP (like pre eclampsia when you're more worried about losing the mother than the pups).

[Elle]

Originally Posted by DaimondsDad

Elle
you can handle your situation how you want to handle it but I'm not putting my Diamond thru a "surgical procedure" unless my vet feels it is necessary in which he doesn't or unless something goes wrong with the delivery in which I have stated i am prepared fro. So nothing in this world that you post or reply with will convince me otherwise to do so if it is absoultely not necessary. I have read a couple of your latest posts and it seems that if someone isn't doing things the way you like then you consider it wrong....Sounds to me like you are pretty much set in your ways as well.....If you wanna try and persuade someone else to have a unessecary c-section go start another thread bc we all on here are just enjoying our lil ones pregnancy and hoping for the best but preparing for the anything.

I didn't tell you to have a c-section. I thought I cleared that when I said lets start a new thread so it wouldn't appear to have this topic about your bitch.

Does that make sense now?

[Elle]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

My vet also does a very gentle palpation at about 25-28 days to confirm pregnancy. She has also done a very accurate puppy count for me at this time. I would not let anyone palpate my dog unless they were very experienced and do so with a gentle touch. We also have x-rays done at 7 to 8 weeks to determine puppy size and position. Rarely do I have an ultrasound done, it is not as accurate with size or puppy numbers.
I have never had a singleton pup but have had several litters of two, some of them free whelp, some were c-section. I have also had c-sections done with 5 small pups that were positioned badly. If my vet thinks that the pups are small enough that a natural delivery is possible, I would NEVER put my mom and pups through a c-section unless it became necessary during the course of whelping. And yes, I agree that anaesthesia is a concern, it is a concern for people, it is a concern for dogs and it is certainly a concern for newborn pups. A surgical delivery is infinitely more dangerous for both mom and pups.
DiamondsDad, I agree with you on this situation, just make sure that your vet is available to you night and day, and do not hesitate for a minute if you think that anything is happening that is not right.

No singletons= lucky one.
I didn't tell anyone to have a c-section. I said have a vet nearby. Now it's like what would one think? All because you always do anyway, right?

I feel anesthesia is very safe is you have the right vet. It's my least concern about a c-section. As the post was worded it said I don't want to put her through anesthesia. Not that they are better.
My comments were that I feel the actual medicine part of it is my least concern about the c-section. Breeding is dangerous. It's not a matter of "putting them through that" in a c-section. Anytime they are bred the possibility to put them through that was made. Of course a free whelp is better.



I've never heard of vets palpating.

[WinstonMom]

Originally Posted by Elle

No singletons= lucky one.
I didn't tell anyone to have a c-section. I said have a vet nearby. Now it's like what would one think? All because you always do anyway, right?

I feel anesthesia is very safe is you have the right vet. It's my least concern about a c-section. As the post was worded it said I don't want to put her through anesthesia. Not that they are better.
My comments were that I feel the actual medicine part of it is my least concern about the c-section. Breeding is dangerous. It's not a matter of "putting them through that" in a c-section. Anytime they are bred the possibility to put them through that was made. Of course a free whelp is better.



I've never heard of vets palpating.

I must have misinterpreted your post, I thought you were advising the OP to have a c-section. And yes, I do consider myself to be very lucky to have never had a singleton pup, although I have had some litters of 2 with some huge pups, and of course, they resulted in c-sections. And yes, I agree that all too often, novice breeders do not realize what a life-threatening situation pregnancy and whelping can be. It is not something that should be considered on a whim.

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by DaimondsDad

We went in for our x-ray yesterday and all is well! Initially the vet palpated 3 pups that he said he was sure it was 3 and possibly a 4th pup and yesterday the x-ray showed 2! There is a possibility that there is a pup hiding under it's siblings so I'm prepared for the unexpected got all supplies needed and we are going to just wait and see. I will keep everyone posted!

Your vet probably counted 3 pups at the time the palpatation was performed....Palpatating is done early and many times some pups are reabsorbed during gestation...Good luck with your whelping!