Females try to kill each other!

[livingdustmops]

The wall just keeps getting bigger and bigger...

[Snookie]

this seems to be getting out of control... maybe the Admin should close the thread?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i just have to disagree

i know you have done this longer and have tons of knowledge but this is almost standard

i have seen females get along perfect for years with pregnancy and heats and then one day they get into...i dont see wheres that an aggression issues at all...

hell i snap on people sometimes doesnt mean i have aggression issues or that my kids will...i know they arent people but i think its silly to not think they will never disagree and always get along as best buddies

I respectfully disagree. I have been in too many breeder/exhibitors, people that I know and visit frequently, homes with few girls in Season at the same time and have never witnessed aggression in their females or mine. My in Season girls spend all day together, some even sleep together, until it's time to take them to their whelping area. It is a genetic trait.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Reese1

Excuse me, but I "rescued" Camden at 2 1/2 yrs of age from a BYB! She was a breeding dog that was of no further use to the breeder after losing a litter of pups.
She was a dog that was filthy, sick with worms, ear & eye infections, matted to the skin, and reeked of urine! She was kept in a garage with dirty bedding and dried/stale food. It was obvious the dog had never been socialized or used to any normal household noises.
My vet & grooming bills far exceeded what it would have cost me to buy a puppy from a reputable breeder. Which is why I'm always worried when people look to just buy the cheapest puppy they can find because it can come out costing them a lot more in the long run with the short cuts that a lot of BYB breeders take to breed.
I would never support BYB or puppy mills and I hope we can save as many people as possible from doing it!
I don't disagree that many have bought from these type of breeders before they knew better, but there is a difference in NOT knowing and knowing and supporting a BYB anyway!

im not trying to make you feel bad or say you didnt get her out a bad situation but you still bought paid for a yorkie from someone that was truly a unethical breeder and when you did that you still supported them

how many times has that been posted on here

dont get the puppy at the store or the pm or the byb because you are still supporting them no matter how sad the puppy looks

[Snookie]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

I think that is why she came on here asking for help because she had as serious problem that needed a solution.

I do not think everyone is stupid on here, I do think there is a lot of negativity on here though. Even if she had the dog whisperer come in and personally take care of her dogs many people on here would say how terrible she is because she breeds them.

Thumb in the butt, wow, never heard of that trick before. Somehow I don't think most of us would see two dogs fighting and ever think. OMG I need to stick my thumb in their butt to separate them.

LOL!!! That is too funny! I wonder if it works with fighting MEN!!!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

The cycle will end when people get their puppies from breeders who raise their dogs in their homes and who socialize them properly.

And this is your idea of how to properly socialize dogs?

Originally Posted by motherhen

I had to use my cane today, and still couldn't get the jaws off of a foot!

[motherhen]

Ok, I said I would refrain from posting any more, but now you have me very ticked off! Golden Parti is a very great breeder, and I've talked extensively with him about many problems. HE has always been kind, caring and considerant to everyone! You have no need to attack him for any reason at all!
I HAVE followed suggestions that were given to me by this group! The Xpen is being used, and I also put Calypso up for adoption before I even put anything on this group about her!!!!
I did NOT use my cane to hit them!!! I used the shaft of it to try to pry them apart - no different then the specail gloves someone else used.
As far as the taxes, we could have paid for them, but the money helped us. What do you do with the money when you sell pups?
THAT is not the main reason we have Yorkies!!!! If we were only interested in the money part of it we would be beyond broke! We have invested a lot of time and money to acquire better dogs and have a better breeding program.
We did NOT get her pregnant on purpose!!! We at that time didn't know the signs to look for -- so sue me, we were new to this at the time. We didn't even know to say that she was abused until after she was pregnant. We bought her from a lady in our state, who raises Yorkies, and we trusted her. Now we get to know the breeder quite well before we buy a puppy from them. We all learn as we go, so if you want to condemn me, for being uninformed then go ahead.
I keep very good records now of all the dogs and puppies; all are up-to-date on shots; they have their teeth cleaned once a year; and anything else that they need is well provided for. They lack for nothing, and are completely house raised. The only time they are outside for anything, is when they use the doggy door to go potty. They are clean, brushed, and get baths!
Ok, so I'm not in the same league as a lot of you, but that doesn't mean I'm a bad person, and that I don't love my dogs and take very good care of them.
I have not critized any of you for having a big kennel set up where they are in cages and used like livestock to produce puppies. It's not my place to judge anyone or put them down. All I was asking for was some friendly advice -- which is what I thought YT was all about!!!! Instead you get me so upset that my blood pressure is sky high!
Everyone has gone way off the deap end on this thread, and blown everything waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.
The fights have stopped with the dogs because I took the advice and seperated them. We do NOT just raise them or have them for the money part of it!!!
I am seriously thinking of getting off of YT because of this thread! It's unbelievable to me, how many hurtful and mean things have been said. This is suppose to be a helpful place where you can say what is in your heart and on your mind, without being condemned and people wanting to make it so that you don't have Yorkies. My hubby said said, I shouldn't have said anything at all to the group about this problem -- guess he was right! God, himself, knows that we love our dogs and take very good care of them. HE is the only judge that counts. God bless you all, and I hope that the next person that has a problem, doesn't get treated this way. Please don't continue to take statements and stretch them all our of portion to make it seem like it is more then what it was meant to be.
Barb
P.S. Golden Yorkie, I'm soooooooo sorry that they dragged you into this -- you didn't deserve that at all.

[Golden Parti]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Evidently you aren't aware that some of the top breeders have kennels...however, their dogs are carefully bred for temperament, health and structure. Aggressivenes is not a product of being kennel raised.

I correct what I said, kennel raised without enough human interaction. I personally know quite a few people with kennels who's dogs have perfect temperament.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

I think that is why she came on here asking for help because she had as serious problem that needed a solution.

I do not think everyone is stupid on here, I do think there is a lot of negativity on here though. Even if she had the dog whisperer come in and personally take care of her dogs many people on here would say how terrible she is because she breeds them.

Thumb in the butt, wow, never heard of that trick before. Somehow I don't think most of us would see two dogs fighting and ever think. OMG I need to stick my thumb in their butt to separate them.

Please...you cannot explain any of this away..

I don't believe in the Dog whisperer...his methods are very outdated and are wrong IMO.

Well maybe you should get off of here and go do more research. I have dedicated a great deal of my life in helping animals (mainly Yorkies) that have been abused. I had to find ways of dealing with all sorts of issues. I would never hit my dogs with a cane or a stick or anything...Even the first time it happend I didn't do any of that. These were abused animals just like what this woman has...

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

i never claimed to test and actually have never been asked by anyone that has ever contacted me about wether my dogs were tested or not...and i have never asked it either...

i think its wonderful for people that do to it though

Not testing dogs before they are bred or testing the pups they produce? That...is scary.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by bonbon

To Motherhen:

One of the members of YHR lives near you. She has offered to take this girl in and make sure she gets the loving, attentive home she deserves. I promise you she will get nothing but the best of care. Please PM me and we can make arrangements to pick her up tomorrow.

i think this is extremely rude and uncalled for to make arrangement for someone elses dog to be sent to a rescue...she didnt ask you to do that that i can tell...

wow!!! how presumption of you !

[Golden Parti]

Originally Posted by motherhen

Ok, I said I would refrain from posting any more, but now you have me very ticked off! Golden Parti is a very great breeder, and I've talked extensively with him about many problems. HE has always been kind, caring and considerant to everyone! You have no need to attack him for any reason at all!
I HAVE followed suggestions that were given to me by this group! The Xpen is being used, and I also put Calypso up for adoption before I even put anything on this group about her!!!!
I did NOT use my cane to hit them!!! I used the shaft of it to try to pry them apart - no different then the specail gloves someone else used.
As far as the taxes, we could have paid for them, but the money helped us. What do you do with the money when you sell pups?
THAT is not the main reason we have Yorkies!!!! If we were only interested in the money part of it we would be beyond broke! We have invested a lot of time and money to acquire better dogs and have a better breeding program.
We did NOT get her pregnant on purpose!!! We at that time didn't know the signs to look for -- so sue me, we were new to this at the time. We didn't even know to say that she was abused until after she was pregnant. We bought her from a lady in our state, who raises Yorkies, and we trusted her. Now we get to know the breeder quite well before we buy a puppy from them. We all learn as we go, so if you want to condemn me, for being uninformed then go ahead.
I keep very good records now of all the dogs and puppies; all are up-to-date on shots; they have their teeth cleaned once a year; and anything else that they need is well provided for. They lack for nothing, and are completely house raised. The only time they are outside for anything, is when they use the doggy door to go potty. They are clean, brushed, and get baths!
Ok, so I'm not in the same league as a lot of you, but that doesn't mean I'm a bad person, and that I don't love my dogs and take very good care of them.
I have not critized any of you for having a big kennel set up where they are in cages and used like livestock to produce puppies. It's not my place to judge anyone or put them down. All I was asking for was some friendly advice -- which is what I thought YT was all about!!!! Instead you get me so upset that my blood pressure is sky high!
Everyone has gone way off the deap end on this thread, and blown everything waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.
The fights have stopped with the dogs because I took the advice and seperated them. We do NOT just raise them or have them for the money part of it!!!
I am seriously thinking of getting off of YT because of this thread! It's unbelievable to me, how many hurtful and mean things have been said. This is suppose to be a helpful place where you can say what is in your heart and on your mind, without being condemned and people wanting to make it so that you don't have Yorkies. My hubby said said, I shouldn't have said anything at all to the group about this problem -- guess he was right! God, himself, knows that we love our dogs and take very good care of them. HE is the only judge that counts. God bless you all, and I hope that the next person that has a problem, doesn't get treated this way. Please don't continue to take statements and stretch them all our of portion to make it seem like it is more then what it was meant to be.
Barb
P.S. Golden Yorkie, I'm soooooooo sorry that they dragged you into this -- you didn't deserve that at all.

Thank you for that post. Many people have left YT because they received the same treatment as you have gotten from a few people on here. Luckily their are many more helpful knowledgeable people on here who are willing to help you learn and figure out solutions. I don't mind sticking my neck out when I see this poor behavior from people. These people would never get a dog from me and their opinions of me matter very little. The praise I get from people who got pups from me and the compliments on my dogs from the vets who see them is more than enough.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

But, you don't test your dogs.....

What Nancy described is correct.

doesnt make me a bad breeder..just means i dont test then for genetic defects

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

I think that is why she came on here asking for help because she had as serious problem that needed a solution.

I do not think everyone is stupid on here, I do think there is a lot of negativity on here though. Even if she had the dog whisperer come in and personally take care of her dogs many people on here would say how terrible she is because she breeds them.

Thumb in the butt, wow, never heard of that trick before. Somehow I don't think most of us would see two dogs fighting and ever think. OMG I need to stick my thumb in their butt to separate them.

And still you refuse to address the real concern here. I pray for the poor ignorant people who get their pups from a person with so little feeling or concern for their own litters.

You're right Cindy - my head is starting to hurt from that wall. I just keep hoping that SOMEONE will have enough decency, enough humanity, enough backbone to do the right thing. Obviously it isn't going to happen by any of the greeders on this thread. Money rules all around here.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Not testing dogs before they are bred or testing the pups they produce? That...is scary.

Either way, scarey......