Females try to kill each other!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

Originally Posted by Golden Parti
Yes, motherhen has already informed me of the situation and is currently trying to find a new home for the problem girl.

So, is motherhen going to have her spayed and then rehome her in a pet only home or is she just going to sell her off to another breeder?

Elaine

I think we all know the answer to this. Poor little pup never had a chance. That is the part about all of this that makes me sick...but I see this all of the time.

[Golden Parti]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

Originally Posted by Golden Parti
Yes, motherhen has already informed me of the situation and is currently trying to find a new home for the problem girl.

So, is motherhen going to have her spayed and then rehome her in a pet only home or is she just going to sell her off to another breeder?

Elaine

That seems like the final decision on what she does with her pets is hers alone and not for everyone on here to decide.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

first i highly doubt a large number of breeders report any income from their puppies...might be some but not many...im sure the clique on here do since they do everything so right

my karma's all gooood!..

i also noticed that once the op backed off and the "defenders" or the following "breeders" as quotes with the quotation marks like in the other thread commented..the clique got their way and hijacked the entire thread with their dominating superior attitudes and then once they were all gone started chatting and being happy go lucky..

you, and im not specifically naming anyone, apparently werent able to resolve anything or be of any help in the way educational advice/direction was addressed...all that was accomplished was running the op off...bravo!

Sometimes the truth hurts. If she ran, it was because she could not face the truth. She has been and probably will continue to do the wrong thing for that poor pup...and probably many others.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

This dog was not a rescue dog. She does not know that it was ever abused either. The dog displayed behaviors that suggested it may have been. She is on here asking question so that she can provide people with better than she got when she started and a few people here really have gave good suggestions.

I'm left wondering where she came from then if she doesn't know the background of this little girl? isn't that the point of "knowing your lines" that we are breeding? I truly am confused about this.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

I am on here to help and learn and not to attack people I do not know and yes I do feel that makes me a better person than those who do. What kind of person tells a handicapped person to get a job? To me this is just the same as making fun of a person with a handicap. Does it make you feel better about yourselves?

Whoa!! Don't even go there! I know many employed "handicapped" people. I know a quadriplegic who goes to work every day. There's a blind man and a woman in a wheel chair who work in my building. Several local call centers hire handicapped people to work from home using just their telephones. A local 6 year old boy whose arms and legs were amputated still participates in the things his brothers do. Do not even think of saying that this person has no other options than to make money off the backs of these animals. Even the most handicapped can dial a telephone, roll up newspapers for delivery, greet customers at Walmart in their wheelchairs, the list goes on and on.

[Golden Parti]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

This thread has had me in tears as well. I consider myself to be a fairly decent and reputable breeder. I show my dogs, I study pedigrees, I test my dogs for genetic disorders, I temperment test, I thought I was doing everything the right way. I have two girls that have never had a problem with aggression (either with people or with other dogs) who out of the blue one day at age 5 decided that they no longer could stand each other and each would prefer that the other was dead. I prevent their fights by separating them. I have daughters from each of them living in my home and others have pups from these girls as well. I have a champion from one of these moms. Neither the girls that I kept nor any of my puppy owners has had a problem with aggression from any of the pups.
These two girls only hate each other. They would accept the pups of each other in a heartbeat as their own. I have never seen any form of aggression other then to each other.
I firmly believe that there is no genetic defect in these two girls that causes them to fight and I do not believe that I am perpetuating the problem of aggression by having bred them. At any rate, both of these girls have been spayed so I will no longer be perpetuating the problem.
I certainly do not condone that the OP bred this little girl who came from an abused past but as far as the fighting is concerned I do believe that the problem can happen to anyone.

Audrey

Thank you for another post that addresses the original question and not the nonsense this thread has become.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I'm left wondering where she came from then if she doesn't know the background of this little girl? isn't that the point of "knowing your lines" that we are breeding? I truly am confused about this.

Oh, don't you know, it was another "accidental" breeding. How many of those have you heard about??

Along with the thousands they spend on their pups. They never make any money.

[Golden Parti]

Originally Posted by bonbon

Whoa!! Don't even go there! I know many employed "handicapped" people. I know a quadriplegic who goes to work every day. There's a blind man and a woman in a wheel chair who work in my building. Several local call centers hire handicapped people to work from home using just their telephones. A local 6 year old boy whose arms and legs were amputated still participates in the things his brothers do. Do not even think of saying that this person has no other options than to make money off the backs of these animals. Even the most handicapped can dial a telephone, roll up newspapers for delivery, greet customers at Walmart in their wheelchairs, the list goes on and on.

yes many can but you can not put a blanket judgement on all disabled people because many can not but would if they could.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

wow again you can not read. She does not say she is making a living off her dogs. She did say it helps supplement her income which last time I checked was not to much for disabled people.

You are funny..I can read very well ...I have a college degree that in order to get it I had to read, study and take tests...I worked for a large corporation that also expected me to read and understand when people were BSing me. Being disabled does not give any person any more rights than anyone else in how they treat animals etc. Don't try to use that as an excuse for making very poor judgement in a breeding program and for not researching or understanding how to better the breed. Sorry my cousin who is in a chair would tell you the same thing...

Just exactly what do you do with your extra $$$ from all of your dogs that you breed out of 3 different homes. Is it just a supplement or is it a living?

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Sometimes the truth hurts. If she ran, it was because she could not face the truth. She has been and probably will continue to do the wrong thing for that poor pup...and probably many others.

you are so wrong...and that attitude you think corrects problems?

wow

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

You are funny..I can read very well ...I have a college degree that in order to get it I had to read, study and take tests...I worked for a large corporation that also expected me to read and understand when people were BSing me. Being disabled does not give any person any more rights than anyone else in how they treat animals etc. Don't try to use that as an excuse for making very poor judgement in a breeding program and for not researching or understanding how to better the breed. Sorry my cousin who is in a chair would tell you the same thing...

Just exactly what do you do with your extra $$$ from all of your dogs that you breed out of 3 different homes. Is it just a supplement or is it a living?

He gives it all away....go back and read that one.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

you are so wrong...and that attitude you think corrects problems?

wow

The only thing that would correct the "problem" is to pass laws that protect these poor pups.

Yep...I have an attitude. No doubt about it.

[Golden Parti]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Oh, don't you know, it was another "accidental" breeding. How many of those have you heard about??

Along with the thousands they spend on their pups. They never make any money.

spoken like someone with zero experience in breeding. 1000 to 2000 for a c-section here. So let me see. it cost you 2000 in phoenix in medical bills just to have the litter or two to three pups which then sell for 500 maybe more if you are lucky. This brings you to a total profit of Negative 500 on that litter not counting food, vet check ups, x-rays or ultrasound to check the pups if you do that. Shots for your pups. Dog food. Annual dental cleaning. Yup, they are just raking in the money there.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by Golden Parti

I do what I do because I love doing it. I am not disabled. I do not receive any kind of assistance and I help other people who are disabled when I can. Oh, and I report my dog income. I could find another job in a heartbeat, I am fully qualified to do many things, none of which has brought me the satisfaction I get from what I do now. Flip that

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

You are funny..I can read very well ...I have a college degree that in order to get it I had to read, study and take tests...I worked for a large corporation that also expected me to read and understand when people were BSing me. Being disabled does not give any person any more rights than anyone else in how they treat animals etc. Don't try to use that as an excuse for making very poor judgement in a breeding program and for not researching or understanding how to better the breed. Sorry my cousin who is in a chair would tell you the same thing...

Just exactly what do you do with your extra $$$ from all of your dogs that you breed out of 3 different homes. Is it just a supplement or is it a living?

I think this post said it all.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

This thread has had me in tears as well. I consider myself to be a fairly decent and reputable breeder. I show my dogs, I study pedigrees, I test my dogs for genetic disorders, I temperment test, I thought I was doing everything the right way. I have two girls that have never had a problem with aggression (either with people or with other dogs) who out of the blue one day at age 5 decided that they no longer could stand each other and each would prefer that the other was dead. I prevent their fights by separating them. I have daughters from each of them living in my home and others have pups from these girls as well. I have a champion from one of these moms. Neither the girls that I kept nor any of my puppy owners has had a problem with aggression from any of the pups.
These two girls only hate each other. They would accept the pups of each other in a heartbeat as their own. I have never seen any form of aggression other then to each other.
I firmly believe that there is no genetic defect in these two girls that causes them to fight and I do not believe that I am perpetuating the problem of aggression by having bred them. At any rate, both of these girls have been spayed so I will no longer be perpetuating the problem.
I certainly do not condone that the OP bred this little girl who came from an abused past but as far as the fighting is concerned I do believe that the problem can happen to anyone.

Audrey

The way that I have interpreted this situation is that the OPer said that she was not willing to rehome the aggressive female because she made money off of her. I think that is were the real issue came into play. The more questions that were asked the deeper she dug a hole for her "business". That is what bothered me about what was being said. They were fighting and killing puppies but she initially did not want to rehome since it would cause a loss of revenue which allow her to pay her bills. But maybe I just misread her words