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BonBon · 03-11-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jackson25

I remember that one, if my memory serves me correctly, didn't she register them with another registry?

I don't think so, but I don't really remember.

jackson25 · 03-11-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bonbon

I don't think so, but I don't really remember.

You are right, I remember now....she was selling them with no papers because her stud was limited, and she was defending herself by stating that that just meant the litter couldn't be registered! I knew if I thought hard enough, it would all come back to me!

Old age!

BonBon · 03-11-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jackson25

You are right, I remember now....she was selling them with no papers because her stud was limited, and she was defending herself by stating that that just meant the litter couldn't be registered! I knew if I thought hard enough, it would all come back to me!

Old age!

That's it!! Good memory.

MadDeDo · 03-11-2010, 12:31 PM

I don't think I saw this mentioned but it IS possible for someone to see the full registration code on an AKC application even if you black it out. Most breeders tend to use a Sharpie but if you hold it up to the light at a certain angle, you can still read that number if the breeder didn't thoroughly color over the numbers. If the person registers online they can still use that code. I do one of three things on mine. I either use three different colors of ink pen and color horizontally, vertically, and diagonally over the number, then hold it up to the light to make sure it's unreadable. I have also occasionally cut out the box on the application completely with scissors. I have also been known to hold the AKC papers until I have a letter from the buyer's vet AND the bill from their spay/neuter by 1 year of age. There is a fourth option, you can request through AKC that all your litter applications come to you without the online registration option. Therefore there is no full registration number...just a blank box and if it's filled in the puppy is to be limited. Since the person has to mail it into AKC they cannot alter it or else AKC will not register the pup. All but a couple of my pups that went to good friends of mine and are closely monitored have gone on limited, and I have a spay/neuter contract as well. I think ultimately it's about screening your buyers and choosing the best home for your puppies. You have a bad or unsure feeling about someone, don't sell to them. Check a vet reference, get to know your buyers and stay in contact, make sure they are fully aware that the puppy is to be a pet ONLY, etc. All that being said you could of course come across a slick person and be fooled. Therefore, the only 100% method is to spay/neuter before the puppy leaves you.

MadDeDo · 03-11-2010, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackson25

You are right, I remember now....she was selling them with no papers because her stud was limited, and she was defending herself by stating that that just meant the litter couldn't be registered! I knew if I thought hard enough, it would all come back to me!

Old age!

I think this is because too many breeders sell their puppies on limited registration without a spay/neuter contract and without even telling the buyer that they don't want the puppy bred. They assume that the puppy can't be bred if they mark "limited" on there and assume that the buyer knows what that means. It's important to discuss everything with your buyer BEFORE the purchase and be sure to emphasize the spay/neuter portion of your contract before they sign it.

teacup0819 · 03-11-2010, 12:41 PM

I am going to be getting a new yorkie puppy this weekend, also with limited registration. When I asked what limited meant, my breeder said that limited registration means that you cannot breed your yorkie and have the pups registered with AKC. I have no intention of breeding at all...I just needed to know the difference from her as to full/limited registration.

Okay....my suggestion (and I am not a breeder) is to do what some rescues do with their puppies....they withhold a fee ($250.00 maybe more) until the owner shows proof of spay/neuter. It may not deter the most determined of crooks, but it may help with some. I would have been willing to pay it and wait to get it back.

BamaFan121s · 03-11-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bonbon

I asked this question because of a thread that was on here a few months ago. Mary, you probably remember it - this new member came on advertising her unregistered pups for sale and when questioned, she admitted her six year old yorkie had been purchased as a pup on limited registration. Obviously that didn't stop her from breeding.

Yep, I remember that thread quite well. Situation was that she could have gotten full registration, but didn't pay the extra. And now, 6 years later, wants to breed and didn't know how to contact the dogs breeder, so she was trying to figure out how to go about getting the registration for him now. (That I can remember...what I wore yesterday, not so much.

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BamaFan121s · 03-11-2010, 01:11 PM

Ah...I knew I could find it.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...r-opinion.html

jackson25 · 03-11-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Ah...I knew I could find it.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...r-opinion.html

That's it!

motherhen · 03-11-2010, 02:36 PM

For some people this is their first pet, so there is no vet reference. How do you check on them then?

Nancy1999 · 03-11-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by motherhen

For some people this is their first pet, so there is no vet reference. How do you check on them then?

How old are they? Hard to believe it's there first pet. I would be highly suspicious. Do you have work references, are they employed? Have you talked to then about housebreaking and training in general? They may not be ready for a Yorkie.

Mardelin · 03-11-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by motherhen

For some people this is their first pet, so there is no vet reference. How do you check on them then?

What I usually do, is ask for references and also give them a list of vets to choose from, ones that I have checked out myself. This can only be done if you have spaced the time between their first meet and greet and when the pup goes home.

Nancy1999 · 03-11-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

What I usually do, is ask for references and also give them a list of vets to choose from, ones that I have checked out myself. This can only be done if you have spaced the time between their first meet and greet and when the pup goes home.

Maybe, I'm misunderstanding, but I thought she meant how do you check out the people if they have never had a dog, and there is no vet reference to check out. In other words, what other ways do you check the potential buyers out?

Mardelin · 03-11-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Maybe, I'm misunderstanding, but I thought she meant how do you check out the people if they have never had a dog, and there is no vet reference to check out. In other words, what other ways do you check the potential buyers out?

Ahhhhh! Never had that situation, since my dogs have been placed with people that I've developed relationship. But, the first question I ask when I'm interviewing is: Do you have a problem with me visiting your home.....if the answer is yes.....end of conversation. I do know fellow exhibitor/breeders that have conducted credit checks, and checking with people's neighbors, family, etc.

motherhen · 03-11-2010, 03:36 PM

Is there a point where we are butting into people's business, that is no business of ours? If they've checked out sites, books, whatever they can, on taking care of a Yorkie and learning about the Yorkie breed; show a genuine concern & care about the smallness - and the ways to arrange your life because of them being so small; --- then I feel like they are good people. Also if they want to see the parents, and want to hold a puppy instead of just looking at it, I think those are good signs too. I don't think I would be comfortable asking about their jobs; checking up on their vet; checking up on the with their vet (if they have one), etc. SO, how far do we take all of this, before we've gone to far?

03-11-2010, 12:31 PM	#34
MadDeDo Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clemmons, NC Posts: 633	I don't think I saw this mentioned but it IS possible for someone to see the full registration code on an AKC application even if you black it out. Most breeders tend to use a Sharpie but if you hold it up to the light at a certain angle, you can still read that number if the breeder didn't thoroughly color over the numbers. If the person registers online they can still use that code. I do one of three things on mine. I either use three different colors of ink pen and color horizontally, vertically, and diagonally over the number, then hold it up to the light to make sure it's unreadable. I have also occasionally cut out the box on the application completely with scissors. I have also been known to hold the AKC papers until I have a letter from the buyer's vet AND the bill from their spay/neuter by 1 year of age. There is a fourth option, you can request through AKC that all your litter applications come to you without the online registration option. Therefore there is no full registration number...just a blank box and if it's filled in the puppy is to be limited. Since the person has to mail it into AKC they cannot alter it or else AKC will not register the pup. All but a couple of my pups that went to good friends of mine and are closely monitored have gone on limited, and I have a spay/neuter contract as well. I think ultimately it's about screening your buyers and choosing the best home for your puppies. You have a bad or unsure feeling about someone, don't sell to them. Check a vet reference, get to know your buyers and stay in contact, make sure they are fully aware that the puppy is to be a pet ONLY, etc. All that being said you could of course come across a slick person and be fooled. Therefore, the only 100% method is to spay/neuter before the puppy leaves you. Last edited by MadDeDo; 03-11-2010 at 12:33 PM.

03-11-2010, 12:41 PM	#36
teacup0819 ♥Luv my Trixie Belle♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 3,010	I am going to be getting a new yorkie puppy this weekend, also with limited registration. When I asked what limited meant, my breeder said that limited registration means that you cannot breed your yorkie and have the pups registered with AKC. I have no intention of breeding at all...I just needed to know the difference from her as to full/limited registration. Okay....my suggestion (and I am not a breeder) is to do what some rescues do with their puppies....they withhold a fee ($250.00 maybe more) until the owner shows proof of spay/neuter. It may not deter the most determined of crooks, but it may help with some. I would have been willing to pay it and wait to get it back. __________________ RIP Biscuit My heart belongs to Trixie Last edited by teacup0819; 03-11-2010 at 12:42 PM.

03-11-2010, 01:11 PM	#38
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	Ah...I knew I could find it. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...r-opinion.html

03-11-2010, 02:36 PM	#40
motherhen Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 192	For some people this is their first pet, so there is no vet reference. How do you check on them then?

03-11-2010, 03:36 PM	#45
motherhen Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 192	Is there a point where we are butting into people's business, that is no business of ours? If they've checked out sites, books, whatever they can, on taking care of a Yorkie and learning about the Yorkie breed; show a genuine concern & care about the smallness - and the ways to arrange your life because of them being so small; --- then I feel like they are good people. Also if they want to see the parents, and want to hold a puppy instead of just looking at it, I think those are good signs too. I don't think I would be comfortable asking about their jobs; checking up on their vet; checking up on the with their vet (if they have one), etc. SO, how far do we take all of this, before we've gone to far?