I want a Biewer/parti yorkie

[Breny]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

OH PLEASEEEE, evab, you have posted all over another site and you even posted your website which has stolen photos on it. Some of them are mine.
PARTI COLOURED YORKIE TERRIER her website

oh oh

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Donna~

Her posts do not sound like she is "fascinated" with dyeing a coat...or in your words, "enhancing it". She is trying to make a point by saying that there would be NO reason to color a coat if the Yorkie were steel blue/tan to begin with. Which this is what has been hammered in many times throughout this whole thread but yet, somehow it is different for those of you that have dyed. I think you have kind of make your post a touch personal by telling her that she sounds hostile towards show exhibitors when she is making a very valid point...and one that is repeatedly being ignored. You also mentioned something about her lacking respect ( )...is she suppose to automatically show respect for breeders that are practicing something that she might disagree with just because she, too, is involved in the show world??

Tammy,

She has mentioned both dyed and "enhanced" so I was using "both" her words

My yorkies that I show and breed are steel blue and tan so the coloring/dyeing/enhancing isn't an issue with me.
She in my opinion is lacking respect since she's a newbie on this form AND she said she WAS involved in the show world at one point those were her words....
Oh it's not personal on my part as I still stand behind my breeding practices and convictions it just differs from yours and hers I don't take anything personal as I know my practices and beliefs and have full confidence in myself

Donna

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Breny

oh oh

At least 2 of the photos on her site belong to Summit yorkies ... oh oh, a big no no!

[puppylove11]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

in a perfect world all would totally breed correctly and not have puppymills and byb's...
what is your fascitation with enhancing the coat and coloring the coat? It's not like it's being bred that way like the parti, chocolate and so called teacup and babydolls? It's not determintal to the breed like breeding liver shunt, LP, leg prethesis, bad top lines, crippled rears ect....sounds like you know alot about coloring a coat LOL...are you disgruntadled for some reason with the yorkie standard? Were you beat in the show ring by someone you thought had colored a dog? You sound very hostile towards show exhibitors in general...and you are new to the form and have shown no respect so far to anyone except those that agree with you.

The only people I am disgruntadled towards are show exhibitors who preach one thing and do another. The sad part of your post with the breeding liver shunts, LP, leg prethesis, bad toplines, crippled rears is this. We all know of AKC champions who have produced most if not all of these traits! I have been in the ring with bad toplines, LP and other issues. I have watched dogs with these traits become champions and their breeders just keep breeding them. Please do not even try to state all YTCA members have no LP, bad toplines, etc. We do not hear about show exhibitors and their puppies born with issues because they never talk about it, so no one knows or is the wiser.

I will state I do not believe in chocolates or blues and I believe them to be genetic defects. You and others seem to be picking out some descent breeders, because they disagree with some of your thoughts and practices. When all the show exhibitors produce perfect specimens of the breed, you can pick on others.

[Breezeaway]

The3 streamglen photos are mine, they even have my watermark on them and I bought those photos.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

The only people I am disgruntadled towards are show exhibitors who preach one thing and do another. The sad part of your post with the breeding liver shunts, LP, leg prethesis, bad toplines, crippled rears is this. We all know of AKC champions who have produced most if not all of these traits! I have been in the ring with bad toplines, LP and other issues. I have watched dogs with these traits become champions and their breeders just keep breeding them. Please do not even try to state all YTCA members have no LP, bad toplines, etc. We do not hear about show exhibitors and their puppies born with issues because they never talk about it, so no one knows or is the wiser.

I will state I do not believe in chocolates or blues and I believe them to be genetic defects. You and others seem to be picking out some descent breeders, because they disagree with some of your thoughts and practices. When all the show exhibitors produce perfect specimens of the breed, you can pick on others.

Oh I have a major problem seeing breeders take yorkies in the ring with bad rears, LS, LP ect that is a major pet peeve of mine and I would do the responsible thing and stop it immediately!!!
Health is more important to me than the coat color!!!!
I haven't picked apart not one Parti breeder as I do not know any parti breeder personally. Only Parti breeder I semi know is TammyJM and I've never met her nor do I know her breeding practices but I do know she loves her dogs and would do anything for them and they are just as important to her as my yorkies are it's just we disagree on the the breeding of Parti's vs. the standard.
No ONE will produce the perfect specimen as there is NO perfect dog in this world, we can only go as close as we can.

Donna

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Hi and welcome to Yorkietalk, from what I understand all the Parti's can be traced back to one line. Even the Biewer, developed in Germany, has been said to be linked to this line. I guess Mr. Biewer may have been a Parti breeder, but he seemed to take it very seriously, and wasn't just breeding pets, he had a vision and he developed a standard. After his death, the breed almost died out, but American interest brought it back to life. There are many breeders breeding the Biewer in America, and different clubs with different agendas, some believe that there is no difference between the Biewer and the Parti, and even mate the two together. Others believe that there are huge differences, and it's best to keep the lines pure. I believe that there are huge differences in the breeders and their motivations for breeding. So perhaps you know the parti as a Biewer?

Nancy, I know it's sometimes hard to decipher a person's true meaning from typed words, but you seem to infer that Mr. Biewer somehow was more honorable in his development of the Biewer than Parti breeders. I don't see how you can say he 'wasn't just breeding for pets' as the Biewer could not be shown and he even had to shop around for a registry to paper them with. Also, in an earlier post, you mentioned something about parti breeders inbreeding and that you wouldn't recommend them. Just how do you think Mr. Biewer was able to develop his dogs without intensive in-breeding? He started out with only 2 and that was only in the 1980's. You just can't here from there without in-breeding.

I think the Biewer is a lovely dog, but honestly, the more I find out about them, the more confused I am. They either are/are not a Yorkshire Terrier; you either breed them with Yorkies or not..very confusing. I guess it will be some time before there's a shake out and things get set for the breed. In any case, they aren't recognized by AKC and, if I remember correctly, have been determined to be a mixed breed by at least one German registry.

I just say that in contrast to the Parti, which has been determined to be a Yorkie, has been around for many years, and is recognized by AKC. This is what makes your post puzzling.

I would just like to see both Parti and Biewer breeders take their breedings seriously and develop long term goals. I think some are doing so, and that's a good thing for any breed. I have seen one Parti breeder here (kpstoybox I think) mention more than once that the parti is not yet where they want it to be in quality and will take some time. Statements like that indicate that a breeder has both goals and a critical eye....absolute necessities in a breeding program.

I don't think any of us traditional Yorkie breeders are going to dissuade Parti and Biewer breeders. They certainly don't need my blessing to continue. I will just wish them well in their endeavors, different as they may be from mine.

I really get tired of this back and forth every time a Parti or Biewer thread pops up. I remember the thread where Tammy was having such trouble with Livi and her pups and folks came together then to offer help, regardless of their breeding program. I'd just like to see more of that spirit here than continually beating a long-dead horse.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Oh I have a major problem seeing breeders take yorkies in the ring with bad rears, LS, LP ect that is a major pet peeve of mine and I would do the responsible thing and stop it immediately!!!
Health is more important to me than the coat color!!!!
I haven't picked apart not one Parti breeder as I do not know any parti breeder personally. Only Parti breeder I semi know is TammyJM and I've never met her nor do I know her breeding practices but I do know she loves her dogs and would do anything for them and they are just as important to her as my yorkies are it's just we disagree on the the breeding of Parti's vs. the standard.
No ONE will produce the perfect specimen as there is NO perfect dog in this world, we can only go as close as we can.

Donna

Oh and btw...I have spayed and neutered a champion that has LP and another health issue and never bred him and spayed the bitch and I have started over my breeding program before. And I"m proud to say when the ball was dropped on my part I did the responsible and reputable thing.

Donna Bird

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

At least 2 of the photos on her site belong to Summit yorkies ... oh oh, a big no no!

Yup agreed that is a HUGE NO NO!! That is in copyright violation!

Donna

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Nancy, I know it's sometimes hard to decipher a person's true meaning from typed words, but you seem to infer that Mr. Biewer somehow was more honorable in his development of the Biewer than Parti breeders. I don't see how you can say he 'wasn't just breeding for pets' as the Biewer could not be shown and he even had to shop around for a registry to paper them with. Also, in an earlier post, you mentioned something about parti breeders inbreeding and that you wouldn't recommend them. Just how do you think Mr. Biewer was able to develop his dogs without intensive in-breeding? He started out with only 2 and that was only in the 1980's. You just can't here from there without in-breeding.

I think the Biewer is a lovely dog, but honestly, the more I find out about them, the more confused I am. They either are/are not a Yorkshire Terrier; you either breed them with Yorkies or not..very confusing. I guess it will be some time before there's a shake out and things get set for the breed. In any case, they aren't recognized by AKC and, if I remember correctly, have been determined to be a mixed breed by at least one German registry.

I just say that in contrast to the Parti, which has been determined to be a Yorkie, has been around for many years, and is recognized by AKC. This is what makes your post puzzling.

I would just like to see both Parti and Biewer breeders take their breedings seriously and develop long term goals. I think some are doing so, and that's a good thing for any breed. I have seen one Parti breeder here (kpstoybox I think) mention more than once that the parti is not yet where they want it to be in quality and will take some time. Statements like that indicate that a breeder has both goals and a critical eye....absolute necessities in a breeding program.

I don't think any of us traditional Yorkie breeders are going to dissuade Parti and Biewer breeders. They certainly don't need my blessing to continue. I will just wish them well in their endeavors, different as they may be from mine.

I really get tired of this back and forth every time a Parti or Biewer thread pops up. I remember the thread where Tammy was having such trouble with Livi and her pups and folks came together then to offer help, regardless of their breeding program. I'd just like to see more of that spirit here than continually beating a long-dead horse.

You're right...it's beating a dead horse. I'll try and hold my comments from now on as far as breeding of Parti's and Biewers as I see and have said we'll never see eye to eye on it.
So I'm done with the Parti issue

Donna

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Oh I have a major problem seeing breeders take yorkies in the ring with bad rears, LS, LP ect that is a major pet peeve of mine and I would do the responsible thing and stop it immediately!!!
Health is more important to me than the coat color!!!!
I haven't picked apart not one Parti breeder as I do not know any parti breeder personally. Only Parti breeder I semi know is TammyJM and I've never met her nor do I know her breeding practices but I do know she loves her dogs and would do anything for them and they are just as important to her as my yorkies are it's just we disagree on the the breeding of Parti's vs. the standard.
No ONE will produce the perfect specimen as there is NO perfect dog in this world, we can only go as close as we can.

Donna

Thanks Donna You and I have always been able to disagree but then once it's out there, we are fine with each other. I do wish that some could/would see how the words that they are putting out there are hurtful and makes it tough to get past. Maybe that doesn't matter to some, but to me, I like 99.99% of YT members and wish there were ways to communicate without throwing out such broad statements that lump people. You and I have been able to remain friends because you do not get personal and you know that I respect your love for the Yorkie standard. I happen to ADORE the tri-color, but does not mean that I am a bad breeder...not anymore than it makes a person that follows the standard a great breeder. We all know this...at least we should.

I know that there are people within this thread that do not breed the standard 100% of the time...I will not name names...I like and respect these people. But can we please agree that one picking and choosing what rules they will follow are no better/worse than those of that breed the parti....no matter how you justify it! Do not preach at us for not following the standard if you are not willing to follow your own words, each and every breeding. I do not care why you say that you do it....I am tired of reading that they are doing it to enhance the color (or whatever reason is being used). You are still breeding an off-color yourself. Heck, I could say..."I am breeding my Livi to pass on her dead-on perfect topline". I am still breeding an off-color, right?? So why do you, the ones that are saying that we are wrong, get to state your reasons for breeding the colors that you want, but we are the ones that are attacked??

Oh, and yes....Donna, I am insanely nutty about my fur kids. You understand this love, though.

[Breny]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I would just like to see both Parti and Biewer breeders take their breedings seriously and develop long term goals. I think some are doing so, and that's a good thing for any breed. I have seen one Parti breeder here (kpstoybox I think) mention more than once that the parti is not yet where they want it to be in quality and will take some time. Statements like that indicate that a breeder has both goals and a critical eye....absolute necessities in a breeding program.

Correct

[Breny]

I just want to say that I am following this thread and reading all the different views and opinions and am not one to put anyone down for what they believe in. If we all believed in the same things, what a boring world this would be!

But I will state I am slowly starting my parti lines and it is taking me awhile to get there because I first wanted perfect structure, perfect head pieces, health, lines.....etc...before I even THINK about just putting 2 dogs together in hopes to get a tri colored Yorkie.

I am starting slow, and I think it will be quite awhile before I have my first bred by Parti, but I feel I am going about it correctly, I want quality, healthy, Yorkies no matter how long it takes me to get there.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Breny

Correct

Some may actually believe that the parti breeders will just buy any tri-color Yorkie and breed it. What they don't know (or maybe not care to know) is that those of us that care, have spent HOURS AND HOURS, MONTHS ON END (years really) searching for the right look and the qualities that we want in our breeding program. Brenda, I am sure you and Karen have spoken a lot about this and I know how much time (years actually) that "K" and I have spent on trying to find dogs that will help to better the parti. That is why it is hurtful when we have to sit here and read that we are one trait breeders.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

You're right...it's beating a dead horse. I'll try and hold my comments from now on as far as breeding of Parti's and Biewers as I see and have said we'll never see eye to eye on it.
So I'm done with the Parti issue

Donna

Donna, you've always been crystal clear in your thoughts on breeding. I hope you don't refrain from comments about what you look for and try to achieve with your breeding program. It's very enlightening and I'm sure I'm not the only one that really appreciates them.

Jim