I want a Biewer/parti yorkie

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

OK I have to speak up. You evidently know very little of the Amish and their religious beliefs and practices. Sorry to offend if anyone on here is Amish, but just because they calim to live this holier than thou lifestyle does not mean they are better people.

Every race, color, creed and yorkie breeder has good and bad people. Including the Amish.

I never said they were "better" people, I said they are very wonderful moral people, but I do not believe that this makes them good dog breeders.

By the way, I have known the Amish, and I can tell you that one of the major beliefs is no electricity, so you will not see any practicing Amish on any forums.

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

I have seen this pic before. In fact it was sent to me from a YT member who lives in England..asking if the dog looked like a Biewer...and if I knew how to get her puppy (sired by this dog) registered with the IBC. I told her that the parents had to be registered with a reputable German registry for the IBC to register her puppy.

IBC did give some sort of paper's for this dog here in the uk yet the uk breeder's bred this dog here in the uk which is why we could not understand why IBC gave paper's for them when the parent's or puppies being bred over here have none,I also have copies of these IBC paper's,Very strange i must say......I hope this help's.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by mistique57

IBC did give some sort of paper's for this dog here in the uk yet the uk breeder's bred this dog here in the uk which is why we could not understand why IBC gave paper's for them when the parent's or puppies being bred over here have none,I also have copies of these IBC paper's,Very strange i must say......I hope this help's.

How do you know that IBC gave some sort of papers for this dog. This dog is a completely different dog from the Alfie that you posted photos of. The owner of this traditional colored Alfie was also not a name that you knew of ... so I'm just curious ... how do you know IBC gave them papers?

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

How do you know that IBC gave some sort of papers for this dog. This dog is a completely different dog from the Alfie that you posted photos of. The owner of this traditional colored Alfie was also not a name that you knew of ... so I'm just curious ... how do you know IBC gave them papers?

Because i have seen these paper's i also have copies of them......i hope this help's.

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

How do you know that IBC gave some sort of papers for this dog. This dog is a completely different dog from the Alfie that you posted photos of. The owner of this traditional colored Alfie was also not a name that you knew of ... so I'm just curious ... how do you know IBC gave them papers?

I have just realised that when i sent you the picture of alfie you so kindly offered to put on for me at the week end as i do not know how to do them,I also sent you the copies of these paper's from IBC attached to the picture of alfie.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I never said they were "better" people, I said they are very wonderful moral people, but I do not believe that this makes them good dog breeders.

By the way, I have known the Amish, and I can tell you that one of the major beliefs is no electricity, so you will not see any practicing Amish on any forums.

If you consider allowing brothers to rape thier sisters and daughters to be moral.. They women are told they just have to forgive them, they are not allowed to report this.

I'm sure there are some good Amish, but being Amish does not make them any more moral than any other religious group. they just keep everything within their group so no one on the outside ever hears about it.

They are poor dog breeders because to them dogs are livestock

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

If you consider allowing brothers to rape thier sisters and daughters to be moral.. They women are told they just have to forgive them, they are not allowed to report this.

I'm sure there are some good Amish, but being Amish does not make them any more moral than any other religious group. they just keep everything within their group so no one on the outside ever hears about it.

They are poor dog breeders because to them dogs are livestock

I said I thought they were poor dog breeders, I do not believe that they believe that it is ok for brothers to rape their sisters. However, the whole point of the statement was a person could be a lovely person, but a poor dog breeder. I'm not trying to argue about the Amish.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

How do you know that IBC gave some sort of papers for this dog. This dog is a completely different dog from the Alfie that you posted photos of. The owner of this traditional colored Alfie was also not a name that you knew of ... so I'm just curious ... how do you know IBC gave them papers?

I'm sorry, yes you did send me the IBC pics for the parti colored Alfie but I guess there are just too many dogs named Alfie in England ... I'm talking about the traditional colored stud named Alfie that was bred to the traditional colored girl named Poppy who had a litter with 4 parti colored pups in it.

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Do you have forged IBC papers on them too, it seemed a couple of days ago you thought these folks were in on the scam too, though when I talked to the guy 2 years ago, he was very upset and concerned, wondering how in the world did his yorkies have black, white and tan pups?

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

I'm sorry, yes you did send me the IBC pics for the parti colored Alfie but I guess there are just too many dogs named Alfie in England ... I'm talking about the traditional colored stud named Alfie that was bred to the traditional colored girl named Poppy who had a litter with 4 parti colored pups in it.

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Do you have forged IBC papers on them too, it seemed a couple of days ago you thought these folks were in on the scam too, though when I talked to the guy 2 years ago, he was very upset and concerned, wondering how in the world did his yorkies have black, white and tan pups?

Yes i emagine there are alot of dog's of all breed's named alfie in the uk.
the traditional colored stud named Alfie that was bred to the traditional colored girl named Poppy who had a litter with 4 parti colored pups in it,Was not the alfie father they told you he was the alfie pic i sent you was he,He had 4 pup's to a female called poppy along with other female's many pup's have now been born here in england over the past 2 year's,I find it very hard to belive these people were upset to get black/white/tan pup's as this is what they have all set out to do,Alot of paperwork has now been handed over to the uk authorities tradeing standard's uk being one of them.....I Hope This Help's.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by mistique57

Top Parti Yorkies Genetics Parti Yorkie Parti Color Yorkshire Terrier and Biewer Yorkies

Oh PLEASE
We have all read that fable many times. Anyone can spout anything they want on the internet, that does not make it true. everything on that site about the parti colored yorkie is total garbage

Those that have taken the time to do the research have found white yorkies showing up on records since the beginning of the yorkshire terrier.

The leading authoriteis on the yorkshire here in the US has written in their book About white yorkies.

You are new to this site. If you go back and read all of the threads on here concerning the parti yorkie, you will see that all of your arguments have been shot down and burried time and time again.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by mistique57

Yes i emagine there are alot of dog's of all breed's named alfie in the uk.
the traditional colored stud named Alfie that was bred to the traditional colored girl named Poppy who had a litter with 4 parti colored pups in it,Was not the alfie father they told you he was the alfie pic i sent you was he,He had 4 pup's to a female called poppy along with other female's many pup's have now been born here in england over the past 2 year's,I find it very hard to belive these people were upset to get black/white/tan pup's as this is what they have all set out to do,Alot of paperwork has now been handed over to the uk authorities tradeing standard's uk being one of them.....I Hope This Help's.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you here. I had several email conversations with this guy, he sent me pedigrees on his dogs, my hoping I could find some Parti link in his dogs, which I didn't see any because they were all european dogs. Of course I didn't know of the Streamglen link 2 years ago and unfortunately I no longer have his pedigrees or emails.

This guy had two traditional yorkies, who carried the parti gene. It was a big surprise to him and he had no idea about parti coloring until he came to YT and members told him the pups were either parti or biewers.

If parti colors can pop up in the US, they can certainly pop up in other countries too

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Oh PLEASE
We have all read that fable many times. Anyone can spout anything they want on the internet, that does not make it true. everything on that site about the parti colored yorkie is total garbage

Those that have taken the time to do the research have found white yorkies showing up on records since the beginning of the yorkshire terrier.

The leading authoriteis on the yorkshire here in the US has written in their book About white yorkies.

You are new to this site. If you go back and read all of the threads on here concerning the parti yorkie, you will see that all of your arguments have been shot down and burried time and time again.

Jeaniek,i am new to this site and your point is, Please do not be so rude,I have a right to a say just as mush as you do,It has been proven by uk authorities there are no parti yorkies in the uk only the man made one's being created by byb.
We have and never had any white yorkies here the only thing here resembeling a yorkie is the maltese terrier.
Which the uk kennel club have stated were bred into the yorkshire terrier many moon's ago.I have read many thread's on many site's this prove's nothing.
So why would parti puppies show up here after all these year's.
Surely we would of had then long before germany if these dog's that are meant to of created them came form the uk.
The traditional yorkie does NOT carry the piebald gene they do how ever get this from a shih tzu or a maltese terrier as they have this gene.
At the time the 2 puppies being born with the parti color.
It is known that the breeder was also breeding the shih tue.
I Hope This Help's.

[mistique57]

[QUOTE=Pinehaven;3023375]I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you here. I had several email conversations with this guy, he sent me pedigrees on his dogs, my hoping I could find some Parti link in his dogs, which I didn't see any because they were all european dogs. Of course I didn't know of the Streamglen link 2 years ago and unfortunately I no longer have his pedigrees or emails.

This guy had two traditional yorkies, who carried the parti gene. It was a big surprise to him and he had no idea about parti coloring until he came to YT and members told him the pups were either parti or biewers.

If parti colors can pop up in the US, they can certainly pop up in other countries too [/QUOT

Pinehaven to have several conversation's and take this guy as his word is not enough really i have actually met these people here in england face to face so do know what they are capable of,I think i do know of the guy you mention as i know of buyer's that have purchased his puppies.
When asked why his puppies had white in them his answer was well it was a shock when our girl gave birth as she has never had white in her pup's before but they are popular in germany and america.
He then went onto to say when his bitch had puppies with white in them he did contact the stud and the stud owner said oh it must be in your bitch as it is not in our dog,Yet he stated when he used his own dog she had traditional color pup's.
We then asked if the sire to the pups had white he said no he was of a traditional colour also but he did not have the sire at his home to view.
The pedigree he give's is not worth the paper it is written on.
May i ask i don't suppose you can remember if the pedigree he gave you had his uk kennel club emblem.
Only we have checked the one's given to us that have not stated the color parti in them and these have not been genuine pedigree's but fake made up by these byb putting differant breed's in.
I Hope This Help's.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by mistique57

Jeaniek,i am new to this site and your point is, Please do not be so rude,I have a right to a say just as mush as you do,It has been proven by uk authorities there are no parti yorkies in the uk only the man made one's being created by byb.
We have and never had any white yorkies here the only thing here resembeling a yorkie is the maltese terrier.
Which the uk kennel club have stated were bred into the yorkshire terrier many moon's ago.I have read many thread's on many site's this prove's nothing.
So why would parti puppies show up here after all these year's.
Surely we would of had then long before germany if these dog's that are meant to of created them came form the uk.
The traditional yorkie does NOT carry the piebald gene they do how ever get this from a shih tzu or a maltese terrier as they have this gene.
At the time the 2 puppies being born with the parti color.
It is known that the breeder was also breeding the shih tue.
I Hope This Help's.

We've heard the same story in the US from disbelievers including members here on YT - from pet owners to long time show breeders. All stating that the Yorkshire Terrier breed does not have the parti gene, or that Show breeders have never produced parti in their breedings. It's been proven over and over again in early writings - books, magazines, newspapers - that white yorkies (and other off colors) have appeared in litters from two traditional parents. Even the well known Wildweir lines has had more than a few parti's show up in their litters.

I do agree with you that the parti color was bred into the yorkshire terrier blood lines. It's been noted that the Maltese was used to produce longer coats on the early foundation dogs, like the Scotch Terrier. The yorkshire terrier became a breed in the early 1870's, prior to that they were called broken haired scotch terriers and in those early times, dogs of unknown heritage that had the look that was needed to achieve the yorkshire terrier, were used to produce the beautiful blue and tan, long coated dogs we have today. Only problem was that because of their unknown heritage, we have no idea what recessive genes they carried.

Maybe this illustration will better explain things.

Terriers from the 1860 Book of Field Sports by Henry Downes Miles, is Illustrated by DJ Watkins-Pitchford, these dogs are pictured running freely together.

Pictured is The Skye Terrier, The Scotch Terrier, The English Smooth Terrier, The Crossed Scotch Terrier, The Dandie Dinmont and The Bull Terrier.

Two of the 6 dogs pictured are parti colored ... One is the crossed scotch terrier. Swift's Old Crab was a blue and tan crossed scotch terrier, he was thought to be one of our early foundation dogs from the mid 1800's (1850 period). Eventhough he was the correct color, it doesn't mean that dogs like him, didn't carry hidden genes for parti and other off colors ... Who knows, that pretty black and white crossed scotch terrier in the picture, might have been Swift's Old Crabs littermate!

Feel free to read this article and please click on the highlighted hyperlink in the article that will take you to a book written in 1904, talking about white yorkshire terriers. Parti - Pine Haven Yorkies

Hope that helps!

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

We've heard the same story in the US from disbelievers including members here on YT - from pet owners to long time show breeders. All stating that the Yorkshire Terrier breed does not have the parti gene, or that Show breeders have never produced parti in their breedings. It's been proven over and over again in early writings - books, magazines, newspapers - that white yorkies (and other off colors) have appeared in litters from two traditional parents. Even the well known Wildweir lines has had more than a few parti's show up in their litters.

I do agree with you that the parti color was bred into the yorkshire terrier blood lines. It's been noted that the Maltese was used to produce longer coats on the early foundation dogs, like the Scotch Terrier. The yorkshire terrier became a breed in the early 1870's, prior to that they were called broken haired scotch terriers and in those early times, dogs of unknown heritage that had the look that was needed to achieve the yorkshire terrier, were used to produce the beautiful blue and tan, long coated dogs we have today. Only problem was that because of their unknown heritage, we have no idea what recessive genes they carried.

Maybe this illustration will better explain things.

Terriers from the 1860 Book of Field Sports by Henry Downes Miles, is Illustrated by DJ Watkins-Pitchford, these dogs are pictured running freely together.

Pictured is The Skye Terrier, The Scotch Terrier, The English Smooth Terrier, The Crossed Scotch Terrier, The Dandie Dinmont and The Bull Terrier.

Two of the 6 dogs pictured are parti colored ... One is the crossed scotch terrier. Swift's Old Crab was a blue and tan crossed scotch terrier, he was thought to be one of our early foundation dogs from the mid 1800's (1850 period). Eventhough he was the correct color, it doesn't mean that dogs like him, didn't carry hidden genes for parti and other off colors ... Who knows, that pretty black and white crossed scotch terrier in the picture, might have been Swift's Old Crabs littermate!

Feel free to read this article and please click on the highlighted hyperlink in the article that will take you to a book written in 1904, talking about white yorkshire terriers. Parti - Pine Haven Yorkies

Hope that helps!

I am glad we can agree on something's here pinehaven,lol.Yes i am aware of the breed's you mention and have done much reading.
I do belive the guy you mention here in the uk may not of been aware of this parti breeding.
But having said that he has had 2 more litter's since in the past 2 year's but is selling them as a yorkshire terrier.
No parti,biewer,splitter mentioning.
I also think he did buy one of his dog's from one of these byb here.
What has grinded on the uk is byb here are selling there dog's as a biewer yorkshire terrier with IBC paper's so how can this be we ask ourselve's.
England has not imported any biewer.parti,splitter here and none of the byb can produce any importaion paper's for the parent's of the puppies they are breeding.Nor have any pedigree for the said sire alfie but have managed to get a byb dog club to fake them some,The only recognised registration here is the uk kennel club.
So how can they sell as a biewer when they have no proof of this.
Can i ask can people that breed over seas can register with akc and ibc at the same time.
I Hope This Help's.