Read this before you buy a yorkie puppy.

[Elle]

[QUOTE=YorkieProud;3173450]I am a bit confused about this whole thread! I'm not passing judgment and surely not taking sides. I am just wondering about a few things.

1. I thought there was no such thing as a "teacup" yorkie or any other breed for that matter.
I agree.
2. A heavier yorkie doesn't mean it is not a yorkie.
Not looking like a yorkie is concerning though. I didn't look at the photo. I rarely look at photos. Threads like this upset me. I think this home may probably be a great home and seeing this is evil.
3. Why are these puppies being sold at 8 weeks of age. I thought 12 weeks of age is what is best for the pups.
Why 12 wks? Why not when they are ready to leave mom? Why does it have to be a fly the coop day? There are exceptional pet quality pups for less money ALL ACROSS the US & CA? Why are buyers putting up with this abuse and subjecting the dogs to it?

it?
4. Why you would purchase a pup from someone who will not allow you to visit their home.It's when I throw my hands up, people have to take responsibility. Everyone knows better by know, you don't meet someone to pick up a puppy. You drove 12 hours, she didn't even invite you in for coffee?

5. Why you would not allow someone to visit your home and view first-hand your breeding conditions. The first meeting can be off site to get to know each other if you don't like people coming to your home. Other than that, you shouldn't sell them if you can't have buyers over. Have an alarm or ask people to fly in so you can pick them up to drive them.

6. Why we have so many very new members on YT. LOL

Please elaborate. This thread? In general? There are always new ones.

Oh well, I just thought I would put that out there, and I also hope that you two resolve your issues.

YorkieProud

MY YORKIES ARE SMARTER THAN MOST HUMANS!!! LOL!![/QUOTE


Were you asking to ask?

[Elle]

Originally Posted by susanvant

I agree KYBLUE, I would NEVER buy from Pam again either. Sure she's nice, as long as you don't have any problems, then she turns on you, and calls on the Lord to defend her outrageous behavior.
The only thing I've posted is factual information about Jenna. The dog had a grand mal seizure, she was stiff and not breathing. I resuscitated her and rushed her to the emergency vet. We spent over $500 to have multiple tests done, including a liver shunt test. Three vets couldn't figure out what was wrong. After I took her back, Pam promised she would never sell her to anyone, then I saw her posted on a website for sale again!

The "office" where you pick up your puppy is a filthy, half vacant warehouse, that's littered with garbage. She claimed she needed to get the carpets cleaned.

And to charge $1500 for the yorkies she breeds is a crime. My replacment puppy, which was supposed to be small, doesn't even look like a yorkie and at 8 months old, she's already seven pounds.

I'm sorry Susan. We know that you didn't want to go through all this

We live and learn. When a breeder only has one referral, there isn't much to wonder. People have to do their homework prior to meeting with a breeder.

[KYHoney]

We purchased two pups from Pam on Christmas Eve, 2010; both females, 14 wks old at the time. I came across her ad online and although my husband and I had certain criteria we were looking for, I couldn't get past the pics she had posted. Something struck me as odd, just in the manner with which she was holding the pup. We had only meant to buy one, but took the other for several reasons.

Pam seems very nice and I genuinely feel that she does love her animals; however, I did sense that maybe she was a tad overwhelmed. Juliette, the smallest of the two is the one we kept and she now weighs 2.43 lbs, the other lil' girl went to my brother and she was 2.6 lbs a week ago. Juliette's hair is very sparse, Pam attributed this to the other pups and the mother picking on her. For the week they were together, the other pup did not pick on her once. Juliette had a very bad odor about her that required several bathings to get rid of. Pam was also administering Karo syrup to both on a regular basis, this was unnecessary and both perked right up after they stopped receiving it. I could go on and on, but I don't thrive well on negativity.

Both pups were vet checked and all is well, no parasites or odd revelations. My only complaint for both is the bad haircut someone had given them and the fact that Juliette was slightly malnourished. Nor do I feel either pup had ever received an adequate amount of attention before they came to us. My family loves them both and they're coming along rather well. Would I buy from Pam again? Well, that would all depend on her.

To Pam, whom I'm sure is keeping track of this thread: I did not conduct any research until after purchasing the pups because I was concerned about Juliette's health which I'm sure you must understand. I was concerned that I revealed many postings for various breeds. Along with comments made by you, I truly believe you have let things rise above your comfort zone. Please take a word of advice and slow down. Puppies need interaction on a daily basis and require a lot of care, as do your own pets that stay with you. I'm sure that once you were a very reputable breeder, but for your own health and well being, you need to take a moment for yourself and consider what must be done to make everyone happy. Both for you, your husband and your lovable furbabies. Sometimes, even when we think we're doing ok, we need to step outside of the box and look in to see what's really going on. And if you need help to get things under control again, all you have to do is ask.

[humphreymom23]

Allow me to tell you all my story and experience with Pam Brummitt and my two puppies I bought from her. As well as my own set of tips to keep your puppy happy and healthy!

I bought two male puppies from Pam two years ago, purchasing my second male puppy 7 months after the first. Though they are not Yorkies, they are Brussels Griffons, which Pam also breeds. Both my males are 6lbs. Both of my pups are extremely healthy! I've NEVER had any real issues with my boys where I thought Pam was selling unhealthy dogs. They are both healthy, gorgeous dogs with genetic integrity. I strongly disagree with the opinion that Pam is not a reputable breeder and believe your tea cup Yorkies may have been sick due to your part! Puppies are not machines, they are living, reacting creatures that respond to stress just like we do! It is vital to treat your new puppy just like a newborn baby upon this important transition to his or her new home.......

Let me preface by saying, tea cup size dogs shouldn't be treated like other breeds that are medium-large size. Tea cup size dogs (especially puppies) should be treated like babies!

Something VERY important: We must realize that veterinarians and most of all, the 24 hour vet emergency clinics are out to take your money!!! Being a first time dog owner, I learned the hard way, NOT because Pam breeds genetically unhealthy dogs, but because I freaked out, like many at the smallest symptoms. I understand and sympathize with you. We love our little fur babies and we would never want something to happen to them, so we empty our pockets and savings and end up with bills in the several hundreds and often times, thousands. The 24 hr clinics are the worst! Although the have specialists and highly trained professionals on staff, they always want to run every possible test and give you outrageous estimates of what JUST the tests will cost! They are great for the real and serious problems. Not the ones that can be prevented and treated with proper, diligent care at home.

ONE OF MY OWN EXPERIENCES:
I couldn't be more attached to my dogs than any other dog owner. Naturally, when my oldest little boy, Humphrey, was sick-having diarrhea, was a bit lethargic and couldn't keep down his food, I panicked. I know these little guys have small reserves. I rushed him to my regular vet who suggested an xray. I agreed. After $400 spent there and the xray showing some small 'mineralized opacities' in his stomach, my vet suggested I immediately go to the emergency clinic because my vet believed Humphrey couldve had some foreign bodies in his stomach that were obstructing his stomach and causing these symptoms. I did just that. They wanted to do another set of xrays, tons of medications to soothe his symptoms (which really can aggravate a tiny dogs digestive tract/body-tea cup size dogs don't handle tons of medicine like bigger dogs do!), and routine tests every 6-8hrs. The second day they said he still wasn't eating or keeping food down. Total cost: $1400, and two days without my Humphrey. ***THING WAS... I took him home against the doctor's orders (signed consent forms and all), as when the second day I went to visit him and brought him some plain chicken and rice from Mommy's kitchen and VUALA! He ate like there was no tomorrow (although I didn't feed him too much, Mommy knows best, small portions at a time) and he kept the food I made him, down. He was happy and playful and energetic during my visiting time with him and it was clear the doctors were trying to keep him longer to make more money off of me. It was clear he just needed Mommy! Later that evening I did take him home. I learned an important lesson from that...the doctors put just the right amount of fear and uncertainty in you so they can get more money!!! They are a money making business!!!!!***

BRINGING HOME YOUR NEW PUPPY:
You must understand that when you bring puppies home, they are naturally under an immense amount of stress. Stress will do many things to your new puppy and shouldn't be blamed on the breeder!

May I mention here that upon purchasing a puppy from Pam, you are suppose to READ and sign a contract. I received all of that, as well as both my boys AKC papers, the vet records that Pam provides showing her vet check-up, their first booster vaccines, all of that! Within 48 hours (I believe) of taking your puppy home, you are to see YOUR personal vet to VERIFY the dog is healthy and to VALIDATE your contract.

Tea cup size dogs are so much more sensitive. Have you done your research? Their digestive tracts are also extremely sensitive and tea cup size dogs have very little reserve; what I mean by that is that as soon the puppy is sick, most people don't notice signs of the puppy being sick until (in this case of tea cup size dogs) the puppy is fairly sick, and by this time recovery support is needed immediately, but its something you CAN do at home. They have small storage tanks, small reserves. Making sure your puppy is well hydrated, doesn't eat TOO MUCH (this will make a new puppy sick too!) and has a VERY calm environment. Diarrhea is natural when a puppy is under stress!!! This is nothing to freak out over unless your puppy is lethargic or more serious symptoms are present. You also need to learn the difference between a puppy being tired, needing rest and being lethargic. Puppies, as we all know, are curious and playful little creatures. A good indication of your puppy being lethargic is if the puppy has NO interest whatsoever for a little play, a toy, a piece of chicken (my two boys dance for chicken!), no energy at all. All puppies will get up to play with their favorite toy or for some chicken, unless they are truly that sick. It's important to monitor them closely and be PROACTIVE when bringing your new puppy home. Prepare for all the possibles hiccups before they happen.
I just can't believe that more people don't fully comprehend what it's like to bring a new puppy home! You should really know what to expect. You shouldn't expect it to be completely smooth transition. They are not machines, they are puppies, who feel stress just like we do! But a reputable breeder like Pam shouldn't be to blame for all the little things you could have prevented at home! Sorry, but just telling it like it is.

My personal list of important tips for new parents just bringing a puppy home and in general:

*Feed your new puppy the SAME food the breeder has fed him/her. In the case of Pam, she provides a bag of food that will last a few days until you buy supply for yourself. Feed small amounts and often when first bringing your new baby home. Don't overload his stomach just because he's enthusiastic about eating.
*If you wish to change the food, do so SLOWLY. Over the course of a few days to a week is best. Changing the food quickly will disrupt a puppy's stomach terribly! AND will without a doubt cause them to become sick! Especially tea cup puppies. Symptoms will usually include diarrhea, vomiting, dehydration from the vomiting and diarrhea.
*If your puppy is sick with diarrhea and or vomiting, its vital to keep them hydrated (remember these little critters have small reserve tanks), can give kyro syrup for extra nutrients, and feed PLAIN chicken and white rice. They love this! And just a bit (half a teaspoon or 1/4 teaspoon) of pumpkin will help to bind whats in their stomach and stop diarrhea over the course of 6-8-12 hours. Don't give too much-it will stop them up.
*When you bring your puppy home, take extra caution. If traveling, your puppy will get stressed from the travel. Stress alone can and will cause your puppy to become sick unless you take the right steps.
*Try to make sure you get toy or small blanket from the breeders home that your puppy knows or has played with. The familiar scent of their mom and the rest of the litter will be comforting to them and will make the transition/travel easier.
*It's inevitable that your puppy will have a hard time sleeping in its crate the first few nights and could be a few weeks. This also relates to crate training. What helps is to buy a small clock and wrap it up in a t-shirt of yours that you've worn (perhaps a sleeping shirt you've worn for a few nights to ensure your scent is on it. Your puppy loves your smell! It is comforting and quickly becomes familiar to them as their new caretaker) AND put the clock in your puppy's crate. The sound soothes them. It will remind your puppy of the sound of his mom's heartbeat. You can slowly take it away once your puppy is comfortable with their crate.
*Puppies tend to get stressed or aggravated by small children, as kids can be loud, have too much energy and excitement about the new puppy. Your puppy will probably not like this. Keep everything calm.


I hope this has helped fellow readers on this forum. My experience with Pam has been great. She has excellent communication, sent me pictures of my new boys every week before they came home, and most importantly she followed through every single step of the way with what she promised when I bought my boys from her. All the vet records, microchip record, AKC papers, and promises were there. My boys are absolutely healthy and absolutely beautiful dogs and under NO circumstances can I agree with posters here on this forum that Pam Brummitts is an unreputable breeder.

[gemy]

Yawn give it up. First time poster, finds this thread and posts.

LOL LOLL LOL

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by mariaj

No need to worry Susan, Jenna is doing incredible!!! I purchased Jenna from Pam on Feb. 26,2010 and she was very honest with me. Pam told me about Jenna's history and she was cautious about sending her to an appropriate home with the right conditions because Jenna was small. Pam was not happy about flying Jenna to me alone so she sent me a male yorkie, free to keep Jenna company on the plane. Pam was nothing but sweet and honest with me. When I received Jenna she was 2.1 pounds and the very next day I took her to my vet who said Jenna was healthy. Jenna only gave me a hard time eating the very first day that I got her. By the next morning, Jenna was already eating out of my Shihtzu's bowl. Jenna is a very active little girl with tremendous spirit. Jenna now weighs 3.8 pounds at 9 months and has no problem eating, she's a beggar! Jenna has brought so much joy and love to my family and I am very grateful to Pam. Pam was honest about Jenna being a returned puppy that had a hard time eating. I wasn't worried since I am home a lot and the puppy would be supervised. Also, Pam spent plenty of time with me on the phone going over details about taking care of Jenna...I thought she was too cautious and Pam really loved Jenna! So please don't bash Pam...she sent me a beautiful, tiny, and healthy puppy. Jenna is doing great and eating great....God Bless you Pam for sending me my beautiful Jenna!!!!!

You can't be serious, a breeder is afraid to send a puppy alone on a plane so she sends another DOG with it??????????? What was the dog supposed to do if the puppy got sick?

[manina]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

You can't be serious, a breeder is afraid to send a puppy alone on a plane so she sends another DOG with it??????????? What was the dog supposed to do if the puppy got sick?

Agree! I guess the dog would lick it , Wow !!!! unbelievable !!!

[jim n]

She shipped a 2.1 pound puppy! Seems pretty irresponsible to me.

[Ringo1]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

You can't be serious, a breeder is afraid to send a puppy alone on a plane so she sends another DOG with it??????????? What was the dog supposed to do if the puppy got sick?

Well, perform CPR, of course, while dialing 911 at the same time!

[Micah my love]

Originally Posted by Ringo1

Well, perform CPR, of course, while dialing 911 at the same time!

this is the best one i've heard this year

[CoCos_Mom]

Hmph. Wow......all I can do is shake my head at this. Way too much. I feel so bad for the OP. There should be something that she should be able to do. And as for "Pam" and her followers, I think all of you are a joke. These people posting in her defense are a joke.

[tinalove]

Perhaps the people who are coming to her defense just don't know any better. It's hard to admit that we were not informed when making a puppy purchase decision. 8 years ago when I got my furgirl I thought I did my research. I was just blessed with a healthy pet and I am glad that I have her but next time I will be more informed. She came from a hobby breeder. I will wait and take my time.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by tinalove

Perhaps the people who are coming to her defense just don't know any better. It's hard to admit that we were not informed when making a puppy purchase decision. 8 years ago when I got my furgirl I thought I did my research. I was just blessed with a healthy pet and I am glad that I have her but next time I will be more informed. She came from a hobby breeder. I will wait and take my time.

Yes, I agree, but sometimes the breeders have "google alerts" and anytime their name is mentioned on a forum they are notified. So they join the site and defend the breeder saying they are a happy customer. So the forum reader has to stay one step ahead of the bad breeders. I'm glad you had a healthy pet, you were lucky, and I'm so glad you've learned that it's good to support good breeders.

[susanvant]

Needed to provide an update, since I started this thread back in 2009 when I bought a yorkie puppy from Pam Brummitt for $1,200. The original puppy, Jenna, had seizures, and I spent over $500 at my vet who advised me to ask the breeder for a replacement. After a lot of drama, Pam did give me a replacement puppy, with the promise she would not sell Jenna, she would keep her. (In a subsequent post I found out she did re-sell that puppy.
We named the new puppy Jiffy, she is now going on 3 years old and weighs over 10 lbs. and we love her dearly. Unfortunately, Jiffy just started having seizures as well, it was heartbreaking. Again, I've spent 100's of dollars at the vet. My vet said she most probably has epilepsy. So we've started her on Phenobarbital, twice a day. Does anyone else have a yorkie with epilepsy that could give me some advice. She's been gaining weight, and sleeps more. The vet said she'll probably have to stay on Phenobarbital her whole life.

[DvlshAngel985]

I'm so sorry to read this. I do not have a yorkie with epilepsy, but my father does. He's been on a cocktail of drugs to keep it under control since I was 8 years old. I'll be 27 in a few months. Anyway, please make sure Jiffy is on the best diet you can provide her. It's been our experience that while meds help with seizures, in the long run they can hurt something else. A good diet helps the body work with the medicine. I hope you find a good balance for your little girl.