Should i say ok?

[Woogie Man]

It is curious why the OP would start a thread like this, given her back ground. I don't however, see why anyone needs to start a virtual lynch mob, though.

It's clear that the OP operates a pet store. As much as I know that we are all against them, pet stores do seem to be the norm in NYC. There have been many folks come on YT looking for a pet that state just that. I can only hope they aren't operating like a Petland and buying from puppy mills. Obviously, reputable breeders won't sell to pet stores but I don't think anyone that does is automatically the worst of the worst.

The OP's 'rescue' does seem to be a rescue, though clearly not a not for profit. It looks like she does both (selling both breeder acquired and rescue dogs) from her retail store. I don't see where she says she's ONLY a rescue so not sure there's any real deception. It may not be ideal in many people's minds, but I'm sure the dogs appreciate having a home, regardless of how it came about.

It may well be that I'm missing something here, but I don't see anything to crucify her over. She may well be giving some dogs a second chance and that's a good thing.

To be clear, I don't agree with pet stores of any type. I would never place any of my pups that way, as I'm sure the same is true of everyone else here. I just think that maybe things in this case aren't as terrible as are being supposed.

I am aware of the 'fake' rescues but I think this might be a case of someone rescuing and retailing in the same place and not some sinister deception. Have whatever opinion you want but no need to make it more than it is.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

It is curious why the OP would start a thread like this, given her back ground. I don't however, see why anyone needs to start a virtual lynch mob, though.

It's clear that the OP operates a pet store. As much as I know that we are all against them, pet stores do seem to be the norm in NYC. There have been many folks come on YT looking for a pet that state just that. I can only hope they aren't operating like a Petland and buying from puppy mills. Obviously, reputable breeders won't sell to pet stores but I don't think anyone that does is automatically the worst of the worst.

The OP's 'rescue' does seem to be a rescue, though clearly not a not for profit. It looks like she does both (selling both breeder acquired and rescue dogs) from her retail store. I don't see where she says she's ONLY a rescue so not sure there's any real deception. It may not be ideal in many people's minds, but I'm sure the dogs appreciate having a home, regardless of how it came about.

It may well be that I'm missing something here, but I don't see anything to crucify her over. She may well be giving some dogs a second chance and that's a good thing.

To be clear, I don't agree with pet stores of any type. I would never place any of my pups that way, as I'm sure the same is true of everyone else here. I just think that maybe things in this case aren't as terrible as are being supposed.

I am aware of the 'fake' rescues but I think this might be a case of someone rescuing and retailing in the same place and not some sinister deception. Have whatever opinion you want but no need to make it more than it is.

Most of us are aware of Pet Store selling pets, etc.

What was discovered and revealed is this person came on posing as something other than that.....exactly like a newbie looking for a new yorkie......then all of sudden she's selling yorkies, within a matter of a couple of posts.....then looking to stud her dog out.....why the deceptiveness, who knows....maybe just to gain information......but, I for one don't appreciate people attempting to pass themselves off as something they are not. There are too many newbies/greenies that come on here to seriously learn. And as forum members that have a true passion for the yorkie I think it's up to us keep the forum as straight as we can.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

It is curious why the OP would start a thread like this, given her back ground. I don't however, see why anyone needs to start a virtual lynch mob, though.

It's clear that the OP operates a pet store. As much as I know that we are all against them, pet stores do seem to be the norm in NYC. There have been many folks come on YT looking for a pet that state just that. I can only hope they aren't operating like a Petland and buying from puppy mills. Obviously, reputable breeders won't sell to pet stores but I don't think anyone that does is automatically the worst of the worst.

The OP's 'rescue' does seem to be a rescue, though clearly not a not for profit. It looks like she does both (selling both breeder acquired and rescue dogs) from her retail store. I don't see where she says she's ONLY a rescue so not sure there's any real deception. It may not be ideal in many people's minds, but I'm sure the dogs appreciate having a home, regardless of how it came about.

It may well be that I'm missing something here, but I don't see anything to crucify her over. She may well be giving some dogs a second chance and that's a good thing.

To be clear, I don't agree with pet stores of any type. I would never place any of my pups that way, as I'm sure the same is true of everyone else here. I just think that maybe things in this case aren't as terrible as are being supposed.

I am aware of the 'fake' rescues but I think this might be a case of someone rescuing and retailing in the same place and not some sinister deception. Have whatever opinion you want but no need to make it more than it is.

How much rescue have you done? No reputable rescue would do what is going on here. I believe it is deceptive to use the word rescue when they are out buying dogs..

[livingdustmops]

I also went to the following website that allows people to look at charity organizations to see if they were listed. While they say they are applying for their 501 status the first thing anyone has to do to become non-profit is to get an EIN number which takes all of 10 seconds on the interent and this rescue does not have an EIN number which leads me to believe they haven't started the process of applying for their 501...

If you type in Yorkie Haven Rescue you will see them as an example..you don't have to log in to review.

GuideStar nonprofit reports and Forms 990 for donors, grantmakers and businesses

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

How much rescue have you done? No reputable rescue would do what is going on here. I believe it is deceptive to use the word rescue when they are out buying dogs..

I haven't 'done rescue' as you would term it but have privately rescued dogs and cats from horrible conditions. I didn't re-home them but rather kept them. One of them was a Dobie that was in such bad shape that my vet told me I should put him down and if not, that he didn't want me to bring him in to his office again. It took 2 years before that dog cleared up (he had red mange over 100% of his body) but I had him for 9 years and he was a wonderful pet.

Honestly, I didn't mean to rile anyone up with my post. I just thought that some of the comments went a bit far. From the links posted, I saw someone that operated a pet store that also rescued dogs. Again, I'm no fan of pet stores but I just didn't see deception on her part. I also didn't see that she tried to pass herself off as not-for-profit. It may not be ethical to those involved in rescue but if animals that would be otherwise put down are getting homes, then that's great. As I posted, it is curious to read her prior posts given her background, but I just didn't see enough to demonize her. Perhaps this thread was started to get info since she isn't a breeder. There 'could' be a more innocent reason than some deception. Maybe it's just me, but I try to have a less suspicious nature, especially with such limited info.

[straightsilk]

Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies

My Vet called me last Spring to let me know to be extra careful about Brucelosis tests. She had 5 cases of Brucelosis come to her. I've always required an up to date test if I stud out, and I will continue to require testing. I also test if I purchase an adult, it could destroy a breeding program! Thanks for bringing that up!

http://www.akcchf.org/pdfs/perspecti...ella_canis.pdf

You are absolutely right. The incidence is on the uprise my guess because of importing. It is not strictly a venereal disease and you can't assume that a virgin bitch or stud is not infected. It's a cheap test. The cost of missing it is devestating.

[straightsilk]

I should have read the whole thing. sorry I guess this went in a different direction.

[ladyjane]

Gotta love these wonderful "rescuers". Jeff Dane does "rescue", too.

[raymondm]

I wanted to clear something up. I am not the owner of Urban Tails.
I knew the person and as a favor i posted the add.
If a little more "investigation" was done by some people, that might have beena bit more clear.
I know this thread is old, but i just wanted to clear this up. \
I have one loving little addition and his name is Taylor. He's almost 2 years old and at that time, i was just asking a question.
Didn't even know i was getting bashed on here all that time.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by raymondm

I wanted to clear something up. I am not the owner of Urban Tails.
I knew the person and as a favor i posted the add.
If a little more "investigation" was done by some people, that might have beena bit more clear.
I know this thread is old, but i just wanted to clear this up.
I have one loving little addition and his name is Taylor. He's almost 2 years old and at that time, i was just asking a question.
Didn't even know i was getting bashed on here all that time.

Looks like you posted more than an ad:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/2868798-post16.html

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by raymondm

I wanted to clear something up. I am not the owner of Urban Tails.
I knew the person and as a favor i posted the add.
If a little more "investigation" was done by some people, that might have beena bit more clear.
I know this thread is old, but i just wanted to clear this up.
I have one loving little addition and his name is Taylor. He's almost 2 years old and at that time, i was just asking a question.
Didn't even know i was getting bashed on here all that time.

If you are not this person, then it was against the rules of this forum to post puppies for sale when you are not the owner. You must have seen the rules of posting when you made the ad -- they are on the same post as the one you got the format for your ad.

Here is the pertinent rule: "We do NOT ALLOW any Yorkies for sale if you personally aren't selling them yourself unless approved in advance by us. We have had too many issues and problems of members "selling for their friend, etc." If they want to post a Yorkie for sale, let them create their OWN YorkieTalk account and post the details themselves. We will NOT ALLOW any brokers, puppy mills, agents, or anyone posting Yorkies for sale if they are not in your possession. You MUST have the Yorkie(s) in your possession if you want to post in here unless you have permission in advance."

So, I guess the question is -- which rule did you break? Posing as someone you are not? Placing an ad for someone else? I hope you see where confusion might set in.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by raymondm

I wanted to clear something up. I am not the owner of Urban Tails.
I knew the person and as a favor i posted the add.
If a little more "investigation" was done by some people, that might have beena bit more clear.
Didn't even know i was getting bashed on here all that time.

OK, so then you posted a favor for a broker, helping them to sell their pups. (even better) YOU posted posing at this person, never made the distinction otherwise....yet it's somehow my fault that you were assumed to be one and the same...

[raymondm]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Looks like you posted more than an ad:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/2868798-post16.html

I only posted the add, not sure quite what other posts you were referring to in that link.

[raymondm]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

If you are not this person, then it was against the rules of this forum to post puppies for sale when you are not the owner. You must have seen the rules of posting when you made the ad -- they are on the same post as the one you got the format for your ad.

Here is the pertinent rule: "We do NOT ALLOW any Yorkies for sale if you personally aren't selling them yourself unless approved in advance by us. We have had too many issues and problems of members "selling for their friend, etc." If they want to post a Yorkie for sale, let them create their OWN YorkieTalk account and post the details themselves. We will NOT ALLOW any brokers, puppy mills, agents, or anyone posting Yorkies for sale if they are not in your possession. You MUST have the Yorkie(s) in your possession if you want to post in here unless you have permission in advance."

So, I guess the question is -- which rule did you break? Posing as someone you are not? Placing an ad for someone else? I hope you see where confusion might set in.

I will admit that i didn't read ALL the rules. But i put the name of the person selling on the ad (i never POSED as someone else), and aside from my profile having a completely different name there was a previous post when i put a facebook links to pics of both me and Taylor. So i hope you can at least appreciate my dismay at reading that everyone was taking me for the other person. If i came back here and saw MYSELF being bashed for posting the ad for someone ELSE, I'D BE OK, because it would be that i was getting lambasted for something i did, not for being a pet store owner or whatever else everyone deems the other person to be. It just seemed that people looked at the part of certain posts that they choose to when reaching their judgment. I asked a genuine question on this post and a member her and the owner of ONE dog.

The sad thing is that when i started looking for a yorkie i came here and it was someone here that sent me to the person that the ad was posted for. Now isn't that something.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by raymondm

I only posted the add, not sure quite what other posts you were referring to in that link.

Because when you posted the add, you portrayed yourself as Lisa. You never made any distinction that you were not posting the add for yourself. The other links are in regards to that person--Lisa, the pet store owner/broker for whom you posted the add.