Need advice from experienced breeders?

[Tx2Stepn]

Originally Posted by Lilyshuman

I feel a bit ambushed, Here I am being totally honest and looking for some advice and two other members have come on and are having their own little chuckle at my expense.

You both are obviously experienced and have beautiful dogs and I was honestly seeking advice.

Yes I realise my little girl may not be a breeder when the time comes but she has potential and that is what Deb sold her as.

I am investing a lot of my time, energy, money, heart and soul into starting this program. It's people like Deb to help others start their dream. Most breeders won't even talk to me, won't even think about mentoring! Even in the CKC code of ethics it talks about mentorship!

I do have a mentor close by, she just won't have any females available for the next few years.

It feels like available I want advice I am scared to write because I'm worried someone will jump all over me. I shouldn't have to explain every little detail every time I write a thread.

I every time there are a lot of people breeding Yorkies for the wrong motives and it must anger those who have dedicated a lifetime to responsible breeding. But please don't assume everyone is like that.

For those of you that have spent years with Yorkies... Don't you want to encourage proper responsible breeding and showing? So many breeders make it so hard to talk to them that it's no wonder people BY breed. My biggest opposition has been people who put me down because I'm new to this even though I want to better the breed... I may have a lot to learn but my heart is in the right place and I want to be careful and thoughtful with my Yorkies.

Nicole,

Please don't let things get to you; it is hard to get into Yorkies. I bought my Champion from Deb to get my start also. She sold me a show potential dog at 15 weeks w/ a guarantee that she would replace him if he were to fall apart. He was my dog to "learn on" and he did a great job for me. I have since finished another dog of Deb's, the one in her avatar, of her breeding and she has another dog out there with 2 majors on him, needing only 4 points to finish. I have no doubt that Deb will stand behind her breeding and she will replace her if she does not pass her Bile Acid test or if anything else goes awry, so you can rest assured in that. Deb is constantly trying to improve her breeding program and tries to provide the best representations of the breed as possible as pets too. Keep your head up and just realize that each breeder has their own requirements and methods that they follow, but I know from experience that you can trust Deb to stand behind her breeding 100%.

[Tx2Stepn]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Thank you for understanding I didn't get the wrong idea about Deb. We just have differences in our program I'm so glad she is supporting you in this new endeavor and being there for you as I knew/know she would/will be. It's ok to be over protective as we all should be about our yorkies/pets.

Again, thanks for being kind in your responses

Donna

Your right Donna. We are all different and choose how we will run our program. We are all learning and will continue to learn as long as we breed and show. That is one of the funnest aspects of being part of a Yorkies life. The learning never ends.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Tx2Stepn

Your right Donna. We are all different and choose how we will run our program. We are all learning and will continue to learn as long as we breed and show. That is one of the funnest aspects of being part of a Yorkies life. The learning never ends.

Thanks hon I'm glad you agree I'm just glad that we can all share our differences in doing things so everyone new can learn from different aspects in breeding/showing and the different experiences breeders/exhibitors and the different practices each program can offer.
Once the learning stops I believe its' time to stop

Donna

[3FurryFaces]

Hi Nicole, I too am new to all of this and I applaud your courage in asking questions in what can be an intimidating format. I have been reading posts here for a long time before posting myself for just that reason. What we all need to keep in mind is that when we ask for advice, we will get some facts and some opinions. I have been hearing that Yorkie exhibitors are not so welcoming to newbies since my foray into all this, but it all depends on who you run into. Like any other hobby, job or club, there are all different personalities. (Not to be misunderstood, this is not directed at anyone in particular.)
As you have already observed, most of the exhibitor/breeders have great advice and experience to share.
I will be picking up my new show bitch next month. She will be 20 weeks. The thinking is I will be able to work on socialization and take her to handling classes to ready her for the puppy classes at conformation events. I have a commitment to show and finish her before breeding her. If she "falls apart" for any reason the breeder will replace her. My breeder/mentor has 40 plus years in Yorkies (other breeds before that) - so there are other highly reputable breeders who do things differently. My best wishes to you in this new adventure!

[Lilyshuman]

Originally Posted by 3FurryFaces

Hi Nicole, I too am new to all of this and I applaud your courage in asking questions in what can be an intimidating format. I have been reading posts here for a long time before posting myself for just that reason. What we all need to keep in mind is that when we ask for advice, we will get some facts and some opinions. I have been hearing that Yorkie exhibitors are not so welcoming to newbies since my foray into all this, but it all depends on who you run into. Like any other hobby, job or club, there are all different personalities. (Not to be misunderstood, this is not directed at anyone in particular.)
As you have already observed, most of the exhibitor/breeders have great advice and experience to share.
I will be picking up my new show bitch next month. She will be 20 weeks. The thinking is I will be able to work on socialization and take her to handling classes to ready her for the puppy classes at conformation events. I have a commitment to show and finish her before breeding her. If she "falls apart" for any reason the breeder will replace her. My breeder/mentor has 40 plus years in Yorkies (other breeds before that) - so there are other highly reputable breeders who do things differently. My best wishes to you in this new adventure!

Thanks for the encouragement! It sounds like you've found a great mentor too! I can't wait to see your new Yorkie. What will you name her, I mean her official name Please make sure to post pics as well

[wolflover]

Im also plannning to breed my yorkie when she goes into her second heat, at the time she is one year old, so what tests and stuff do i need to do? I am planning on breeding her with my grandparents new puppy, who is three months old right now. My yorkie is FINALLY four pounds, and the breeder said Cozmo will reach abour four pounds when hes full grown. I know a LOT about breeding yorkies, ive been researching since my girl was about four months old but now i still need to know the things they need to not hav to breed and stuff.

[3FurryFaces]

Originally Posted by wolflover

Im also plannning to breed my yorkie when she goes into her second heat, at the time she is one year old, so what tests and stuff do i need to do? I am planning on breeding her with my grandparents new puppy, who is three months old right now. My yorkie is FINALLY four pounds, and the breeder said Cozmo will reach abour four pounds when hes full grown. I know a LOT about breeding yorkies, ive been researching since my girl was about four months old but now i still need to know the things they need to not hav to breed and stuff.

There IS a lot to know before breeding, and the research you are doing is a great first step, Nothing is better than firsthand experience with and advice from a good mentor. Your girl and the sire sound young to me. At 3 months old, it is difficult, if not impossible to tell if he is a suitable stud dog. Aside from any blood tests or exams, there are some things only maturation will reveal. Most reputable breeders will not breed a 4 pound bitch and not on her second heat (she is still kinda young). Just my opinion since you have come to this forum for advice.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by wolflover

Im also plannning to breed my yorkie when she goes into her second heat, at the time she is one year old, so what tests and stuff do i need to do? I am planning on breeding her with my grandparents new puppy, who is three months old right now. My yorkie is FINALLY four pounds, and the breeder said Cozmo will reach abour four pounds when hes full grown. I know a LOT about breeding yorkies, ive been researching since my girl was about four months old but now i still need to know the things they need to not hav to breed and stuff.

A few things you might consider. Or you can visit the YTCA.org pages and read the Code of Ethics & Conduct.

A breeder shall strive to conform to the Yorkshire Terrier Standard as approved by the American Kennel Club, to improve progeny, and to reduce faults to a minimum.

All stud dogs and bitches shall be screened prior to breeding for both infectious and hereditary diseases using the currently accepted and available techniques.

Healthy spacing between litters will be a priority and unspayed bitches will be protected from unplanned matings. Bitches will in no case be bred before their second heat or before they are at least eighteen (18) months of age, whichever comes first, nor be placed at risk by an unreasonable number of cesarean sections and then only with the concurrence of a veterinarian.

[Elle]

If anyone is breeding to show of breeding for a pet, it is still breeding. Every time we breed a yorkie it is a responsibility. Think about it, what it to come of our breed it people continue to dilute it? What happens every time a bad gene is intentionally passed down? Weight the benefit to the loss, it's a no brainer to see it's a loss/loss situation.
If we are to breed for a pet it should be bred to the same conduct & code as the YTCA. It should always be bred to breed standard. There are rescue groups full of yorkies needing homes. If someone wants to just breed. I encourage you to foster a couple of rescues. It fills the "mommy" void and you can take care of babies.
Studying for many years is nothing! Always start w/ a great foundation bitch. It's usually easy to find great studs. If you want to breed pet quality dogs it's what you do. Pet quality should mean yorkies that are healthy that look like yorkies. In other words; nice examples of the breed.
Even though some show homes feel it's not okay to breed just to breed. Some show homes enjoy people wanting just a pet (offspring they can't show that is spay/nuetered). But many dread placing puppies in homes of strangers.

[Elle]

If anyone is breeding to show of breeding for a pet, it is still breeding. Every time we breed a yorkie it is a responsibility. Think about it, what it to come of our breed it people continue to dilute it? What happens every time a bad gene is intentionally passed down? Weight the benefit to the loss, it's a no brainer to see it's a loss/loss situation.
If we are to breed for a pet it should be bred to the same conduct & code as the YTCA. It should always be bred to breed standard. There are rescue groups full of yorkies needing homes. If someone wants to just breed. I encourage you to foster a couple of rescues. It fills the "mommy" void and you can take care of babies.
Studying for many years is nothing! Always start w/ a great foundation bitch. It's usually easy to find great studs. If you want to breed pet quality dogs it's what you do. Pet quality should mean yorkies that are healthy that look like yorkies. In other words; nice examples of the breed.
Even though some show homes feel it's not okay to breed just to breed. Some show homes enjoy people wanting just a pet (offspring they can't show that is spay/nuetered). But many dread placing puppies in homes of strangers.

[3FurryFaces]

Originally Posted by Lilyshuman

Thanks for the encouragement! It sounds like you've found a great mentor too! I can't wait to see your new Yorkie. What will you name her, I mean her official name Please make sure to post pics as well

Hi Nicole, I posted pix in a new thread, but here is one too. I also PM'd you. Did you see?