Need advice from experienced breeders?

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

As well as expecting them to be Championed.

I agree with Donna and Mary. And it would be co owned by the breeder who would be willing to mentor the newcomer or know someone in their area willing to do so.
At 16 weeks as far as keeping a puppy for future breeding stock the only thing I know at that age is that it might be a potential and it is a yorkie. So many things can change over time until close to a year old and at times, ever older.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

I agree with Donna and Mary. And it would be co owned by the breeder who would be willing to mentor the newcomer or know someone in their area willing to do so.
At 16 weeks as far as keeping a puppy for future breeding stock the only thing I know at that age is that it might be a potential and it is a yorkie. So many things can change over time until close to a year old and at times, ever older.

Yup agreed

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

As well as expecting them to be Championed.

Yuppers agreed!

[MntSnowBabies]

Brooklyn and Mardelin are correct. Deb is a nice lady and I have talked to her many times, she does have some great looking dogs, and I have talked to the lady of where she got her main stud dog from. I can honestly say that some of the best advice I have gotten has come from the long time show exhibitors that show and have many bred-by champions.

Now I started out as a breeder in it for the money! I bought two dogs, thought I could put them together, and boom make money. Now after I joined YT I have changed my mind. I'm no longer in it to make money. I'm wanting to better the breed and not send low quality dogs out there anymore. I have restarted my breeding/show program.

As I have done a lot of research on breeding, whelping, and genetics, I am still doing more. I'm researching yorkie lines to find the best to get my show prospects from. You have to know the faults of your dogs to pair them with the best canidate from the other sex (example: one has slightly larger ears than you want, you need to find a good match that has smaller ears that are the size you want) as with genetics its never a clear outcome until the pups are born whether or not they got those genes from one parent or the other. A good friend told me that it will take about $10,000(including the price of the dog) to champion the dog by myself. She suggested that I hire a handler to do the job for me, which of course adds more money to that pot. So I'm looking at spending $30,000 or more to champion 3 dogs (1 male, 1 female, and than another of either sex). But even then I won't be making any money back, as most of the female pups will be kept to champion and keep my line going. But like I said I'm no longer in it for the money, I'm in it for the dogs!

I wish you luck in your breeding and showing in the years to come. It will still be awhile till I put my foot into that ring, but I can't wait!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by MntSnowBabies

Brooklyn and Mardelin are correct. Deb is a nice lady and I have talked to her many times, she does have some great looking dogs, and I have talked to the lady of where she got her main stud dog from. I can honestly say that some of the best advice I have gotten has come from the long time show exhibitors that show and have many bred-by champions.

Now I started out as a breeder in it for the money! I bought two dogs, thought I could put them together, and boom make money. Now after I joined YT I have changed my mind. I'm no longer in it to make money. I'm wanting to better the breed and not send low quality dogs out there anymore. I have restarted my breeding/show program.

As I have done a lot of research on breeding, whelping, and genetics, I am still doing more. I'm researching yorkie lines to find the best to get my show prospects from. You have to know the faults of your dogs to pair them with the best canidate from the other sex (example: one has slightly larger ears than you want, you need to find a good match that has smaller ears that are the size you want) as with genetics its never a clear outcome until the pups are born whether or not they got those genes from one parent or the other. A good friend told me that it will take about $10,000(including the price of the dog) to champion the dog by myself. She suggested that I hire a handler to do the job for me, which of course adds more money to that pot. So I'm looking at spending $30,000 or more to champion 3 dogs (1 male, 1 female, and than another of either sex). But even then I won't be making any money back, as most of the female pups will be kept to champion and keep my line going. But like I said I'm no longer in it for the money, I'm in it for the dogs!

I wish you luck in your breeding and showing in the years to come. It will still be awhile till I put my foot into that ring, but I can't wait!

Actually it may be cheaper to put your dog with a well known handler, they split the cost with other clients and because of who they are and what they do they can finish a dog faster.

Some have started out breeding first. However, they have found out, over time that it is best to start out with the best your money can buy for your foundation. Champion them and then proceed to the breeding.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Actually it may be cheaper to put your dog with a well known handler, they split the cost with other clients and because of who they are and what they do they can finish a dog faster.

Some have started out breeding first. However, they have found out, over time that it is best to start out with the best your money can buy for your foundation. Champion them and then proceed to the breeding.

Wow Mary....I think I have finished all my dogs fast other than my first one LOL....my first home bred was finished pretty darn quickly LOL...and Radar finished in less than 4 months...and Morgan finished in less than 6 months but that was on a limited basis but could have finished faster had I entered in more shows instead of off and on LOL...

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Wow Mary....I think I have finished all my dogs fast other than my first one LOL....my first home bred was finished pretty darn quickly LOL...and Radar finished in less than 4 months...and Morgan finished in less than 6 months but that was on a limited basis but could have finished faster had I entered in more shows instead of off and on LOL...

No, no Donna, you and I are experienced., So have I, I was speaking about a first timer.....I've finished all mine pretty fast too.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

No, no Donna, you and I are experienced., So have I, I was speaking about a first timer.....I've finished all mine pretty fast too.

I know I know LOL....giving you a hard time LOL LOL you funny

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I know I know LOL....giving you a hard time LOL LOL you funny

Really, how many times have you and I seend a newbie come into the ring and take forever to finish a dog because they didn't know what they were doing. In the mean time imbedding into the poor dog bad habits because of that fact.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Really, how many times have you and I seen a newbie come into the ring and take forever to finish a dog because they didn't know what they were doing. In the mean time imbedding into the poor dog bad habits because of that fact.

Yuppers you couldn't be more right on that one!!!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Yuppers you couldn't be more right on that one!!!

I remember my first time watching yorkies in the ring and their owners or handlers coming out of the ring sweating........I thought to myself, dang, what's so hard about taking a lil yorkie in the ring. After all it's not a working dog that you have to run around the ring with. Ha, ha, ha.....well the joke was on me.

[Lilyshuman]

I feel a bit ambushed, Here I am being totally honest and looking for some advice and two other members have come on and are having their own little chuckle at my expense.

You both are obviously experienced and have beautiful dogs and I was honestly seeking advice.

Yes I realise my little girl may not be a breeder when the time comes but she has potential and that is what Deb sold her as.

I am investing a lot of my time, energy, money, heart and soul into starting this program. It's people like Deb to help others start their dream. Most breeders won't even talk to me, won't even think about mentoring! Even in the CKC code of ethics it talks about mentorship!

I do have a mentor close by, she just won't have any females available for the next few years.

It feels like available I want advice I am scared to write because I'm worried someone will jump all over me. I shouldn't have to explain every little detail every time I write a thread.

I every time there are a lot of people breeding Yorkies for the wrong motives and it must anger those who have dedicated a lifetime to responsible breeding. But please don't assume everyone is like that.

For those of you that have spent years with Yorkies... Don't you want to encourage proper responsible breeding and showing? So many breeders make it so hard to talk to them that it's no wonder people BY breed. My biggest opposition has been people who put me down because I'm new to this even though I want to better the breed... I may have a lot to learn but my heart is in the right place and I want to be careful and thoughtful with my Yorkies.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Lilyshuman

I feel a bit ambushed, Here I am being totally honest and looking for some advice and two other members have come on and are having their own little chuckle at my expense.

You both are obviously experienced and have beautiful dogs and I was honestly seeking advice.

Yes I realise my little girl may not be a breeder when the time comes but she has potential and that is what Deb sold her as.

I am investing a lot of my time, energy, money, heart and soul into starting this program. It's people like Deb to help others start their dream. Most breeders won't even talk to me, won't even think about mentoring! Even in the CKC code of ethics it talks about mentorship!

I do have a mentor close by, she just won't have any females available for the next few years.

It feels like available I want advice I am scared to write because I'm worried someone will jump all over me. I shouldn't have to explain every little detail every time I write a thread.

I every time there are a lot of people breeding Yorkies for the wrong motives and it must anger those who have dedicated a lifetime to responsible breeding. But please don't assume everyone is like that.

For those of you that have spent years with Yorkies... Don't you want to encourage proper responsible breeding and showing? So many breeders make it so hard to talk to them that it's no wonder people BY breed. My biggest opposition has been people who put me down because I'm new to this even though I want to better the breed... I may have a lot to learn but my heart is in the right place and I want to be careful and thoughtful with my Yorkies.

By no means am I chuckling at you....it's not directed at you, actually I'm off topic and high jacked this thread please forgive....

[Elle]

Bile acid is a must to rule it out, no urine test will tell you. About her pedigree?

I don't feel you can know if a bitch is breed worthy so early. But you are on the right track. Kudus to you.
Livershunt is indeed a big killer in our breed. Start off w/ a healthy foundation bitch+healthy line. Here are some links w/ great info.

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[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Lilyshuman

I feel a bit ambushed, Here I am being totally honest and looking for some advice and two other members have come on and are having their own little chuckle at my expense.

You both are obviously experienced and have beautiful dogs and I was honestly seeking advice.

Yes I realise my little girl may not be a breeder when the time comes but she has potential and that is what Deb sold her as.

I am investing a lot of my time, energy, money, heart and soul into starting this program. It's people like Deb to help others start their dream. Most breeders won't even talk to me, won't even think about mentoring! Even in the CKC code of ethics it talks about mentorship!

I do have a mentor close by, she just won't have any females available for the next few years.

It feels like available I want advice I am scared to write because I'm worried someone will jump all over me. I shouldn't have to explain every little detail every time I write a thread.

I every time there are a lot of people breeding Yorkies for the wrong motives and it must anger those who have dedicated a lifetime to responsible breeding. But please don't assume everyone is like that.

For those of you that have spent years with Yorkies... Don't you want to encourage proper responsible breeding and showing? So many breeders make it so hard to talk to them that it's no wonder people BY breed. My biggest opposition has been people who put me down because I'm new to this even though I want to better the breed... I may have a lot to learn but my heart is in the right place and I want to be careful and thoughtful with my Yorkies.

Sorry, is chuckling or making fun of you. YTCA also encourages mentorship and help to newbies.