Show breeders breeding sickness instead of health....

[topknot]

Good job Mardelin and tegamom1!

What people must remember and think about is that dog shows provides a forum or target in which allows one can direct their message and reach more people. I feel this is the main reason dog shows/exhibitors are always targeted. What you have to remember is that most breeder/exhibitors love their dogs dearly and try to learn all they can about the breed in hopes to produce healthy, happy puppies. The exhibitors I have meet are very dedicated. They spend long hours reseraching, going to forums to learn, dicsuss with other breeder/exhibitors, read a ton of books on the topic, etc... We study bone structure/movement, health issues, type, and have our dogs tested, spend a lot of money on them, have others evaluate our dogs, etc.. Ifwe do a breeding we hope for the better not worse. And breeding is not one of the things we enjoy. Breeding is only done after great research and thought. Breeding is not done often. We do love our dogs. They come first!

I feel that the ones that need to be looked at and directed toward are the ones that just put two dogs together for the pups they will produce and that is not always puppymillers. But how can one target them, how can they be reached. This is so difficult since they do not go out... to siminars, breed clubs to listen to doctors or learn about genetics, etc....

To be uneducated in any art is foolishness and creates problems.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by topknot

Good job Mardelin and tegamom1!

What people must remember and think about is that dog shows provides a forum or target in which allows one can direct their message and reach more people. I feel this is the main reason dog shows/exhibitors are always targeted. What you have to remember is that most breeder/exhibitors love their dogs dearly and try to learn all they can about the breed in hopes to produce healthy, happy puppies. The exhibitors I have meet are very dedicated. They spend long hours reseraching, going to forums to learn, dicsuss with other breeder/exhibitors, read a ton of books on the topic, etc... We study bone structure/movement, health issues, type, and have our dogs tested, spend a lot of money on them, have others evaluate our dogs, etc.. Ifwe do a breeding we hope for the better not worse. And breeding is not one of the things we enjoy. Breeding is only done after great research and thought. Breeding is not done often. We do love our dogs. They come first!

I feel that the ones that need to be looked at and directed toward are the ones that just put two dogs together for the pups they will produce and that is not always puppymillers. But how can one target them, how can they be reached. This is so difficult since they do not go out... to siminars, breed clubs to listen to doctors or learn about genetics, etc....

To be uneducated in any art is foolishness and creates problems.

Tina,

It's very difficult to attempt to explain what you've said to people that don't have any idea what goes in the show world and the purpose of showing ones dogs.
We show to gain approval of our breeding dogs. But, on the other hand it is up to the breeder exhibitors to take the best specimens into the ring. If we take a dog that has genetic problems that are not visible to the judge, we are only fooling ourselves, and doing an injustice to the breed.
I think it's great that people post about the bad things, such as what the OP posted. But, posting it just for shock affect without presenting where it originated from and a bit of a background on it....is a bit lacking and not thoroughly educating.

[EverythingMiley]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Personally I didn’t see where she said anything disrespectful.
And, it doesn’t matter who put the video out.
Because it pretty much spoke for itself.
Over the years it’s shown the harm that has been done to different breeds by clubs who have set the standards.

It’s a fact.
A person can show a defective dog, produce many offspring and the kennel club will gladly shut their mouth and hold out their hand for money they make registering offspring .

I have NO respect for anyone who would purposely breed in such a way as to
cause harm and pain to any dog.

Great Postand thank you..

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Personally I didn’t see where she said anything disrespectful.
And, it doesn’t matter who put the video out.
Because it pretty much spoke for itself.
Over the years it’s shown the harm that has been done to different breeds by clubs who have set the standards.

It’s a fact.
A person can show a defective dog, produce many offspring and the kennel club will gladly shut their mouth and hold out their hand for money they make registering offspring .

I have NO respect for anyone who would purposely breed in such a way as to
cause harm and pain to any dog.

Yes, it does matter who put the video out....when most of us know what PETA's intentions are. The go for the shock value. Both HSUS and PETA's goal is to do away with the entire pet population.

Yes, a person can show a dog that has genetic faults....but, those are the unscrupulous ones....and there are bad and good in every aspect of breeding.

I don't think anyone has any respect for those people that purposely breed dogs for their own benefit and pocket book. It's up to each individual that enbarks on the journey of breeding to monitor themselves....if they have little disregaurd for these wonderful lil creatures....well, they have to look at them selves in the mirror and have to meet their Maker one day.

We can sit and complain and post items such as this or get involved to help stamp out breeders that are unscrupulous.

[EverythingMiley]

the video was one sided it showed the most important side to show..the dogs side..

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by EverythingMiley

the video was one sided it showed the most important side to show..the dogs side..

Your absolutely right.....

But, there are both sides if one wants to educate as you stated in your first post on this thread......

[EverythingMiley]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Your absolutely right.....

But, there are both sides if one wants to educate as you stated in your first post on this thread......

We both have our opinions fighting on it is silly..u have your opinion and thats fine..i have mine and thats fine..so i'm going to agree to disagree wit you on this one ok..if not we could keep going around and around..

[EverythingMiley]

Originally Posted by topknot

Good job Mardelin and tegamom1!

What people must remember and think about is that dog shows provides a forum or target in which allows one can direct their message and reach more people. I feel this is the main reason dog shows/exhibitors are always targeted. What you have to remember is that most breeder/exhibitors love their dogs dearly and try to learn all they can about the breed in hopes to produce healthy, happy puppies. The exhibitors I have meet are very dedicated. They spend long hours reseraching, going to forums to learn, dicsuss with other breeder/exhibitors, read a ton of books on the topic, etc... We study bone structure/movement, health issues, type, and have our dogs tested, spend a lot of money on them, have others evaluate our dogs, etc.. Ifwe do a breeding we hope for the better not worse. And breeding is not one of the things we enjoy. Breeding is only done after great research and thought. Breeding is not done often. We do love our dogs. They come first!

I feel that the ones that need to be looked at and directed toward are the ones that just put two dogs together for the pups they will produce and that is not always puppymillers. But how can one target them, how can they be reached. This is so difficult since they do not go out... to siminars, breed clubs to listen to doctors or learn about genetics, etc....

To be uneducated in any art is foolishness and creates problems.

I agree with you on this one but what we are trying to point out that not ALL show breeders practice this or have the care for their dogs as you seem to..

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by EverythingMiley

We both have our opinions fighting on it is silly..u have your opinion and thats fine..i have mine and thats fine..so i'm going to agree to disagree wit you on this one ok..if not we could keep going around and around..

No, we both agree on the same thing. What is in the video is horrible...it's not the way breeding should be done. All I'm saying is that there are 2 sides and both need to be presented. Fair and balanced.

Just a bit more info. PETA goes into 3rd world countries and back areas of various states to get their subject matter for their films.....

Just a quick question. Have you been to the home of a disreputable breeder, spent time there? And to the facility of a reputable breeder and spent time there?

[EverythingMiley]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

No, we both agree on the same thing. What is in the video is horrible...it's not the way breeding should be done. All I'm saying is that there are 2 sides and both need to be presented. Fair and balanced.

Just a bit more info. PETA goes into 3rd world countries and back areas of various states to get their subject matter for their films.....

Just a quick question. Have you been to the home of a disreputable breeder, spent time there? And to the facility of a reputable breeder and spent time there?

I have seen a puppymill first hand so I know the horrorsof BYB..I have also been in a reputable breeders house..where I got my lab..She sells alot o her labs to trainers all over the world..her labs are used for Search and Rescue..therapy..drug dogs..ect..so yes I know the difference.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by EverythingMiley

I have seen a puppymill first hand so I know the horrorsof BYB..I have also been in a reputable breeders house..where I got my lab..She sells alot o her labs to trainers all over the world..her labs are used for Search and Rescue..therapy..drug dogs..ect..so yes I know the difference.

A puppymill and BYB are a bit different.....

I wasn't asking to find out if you knew the difference. I just wanted to know if you'd spent the day in the company of each.

I think too few of us have taken the time to do that, otherwise we wouldn't have so many new people coming on here with sick puppies and horrible experiences of being scammed.....

[EverythingMiley]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

A puppymill and BYB are a bit different.....

I wasn't asking to find out if you knew the difference. I just wanted to know if you'd spent the day in the company of each.

I think too few of us have taken the time to do that, otherwise we wouldn't have so many new people coming on here with sick puppies and horrible experiences of being scammed.....

How much time have u spent giving back? Do you donate to your local animal shelter? do you volunteer your time? your being impossible and i'm done dealing with you. I prefer to go on to someone that will spend time educating..I don't feel you do. i've read your post before all u do is start conflict..

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by EverythingMiley

How much time have u spent giving back? Do you donate to your local animal shelter? do you volunteer your time? your being impossible and i'm done dealing with you. I prefer to go on to someone that will spend time educating..I don't feel you do. i've read your post before all u do is start conflict..

Absolutely donate my time, you haven't a clue as to who I am or what I do.....

You've been a member for what maybe 2 or 3 weeks.

[tegamom1]

Originally Posted by EverythingMiley

How much time have u spent giving back? Do you donate to your local animal shelter? do you volunteer your time? your being impossible and i'm done dealing with you. I prefer to go on to someone that will spend time educating..I don't feel you do. i've read your post before all u do is start conflict..

Apparently, you are very new here and speak before you know what is fact and what is absolute fiction. I don't know if you just came here to try and start a conflict or what, but lady, your're barking up the WRONG TREE! Mardelin always tries to help and educate in every possible way. She has done more research and study that most people combined. Volunteer her time.... You should be ashamed of yourself! Yes, you might as well move on because you're not going to listen to anyone.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by tegamom1

Apparently, you are very new here and speak before you know what is fact and what is absolute fiction. I don't know if you just came here to try and start a conflict or what, but lady, your're barking up the WRONG TREE! Mardelin always tries to help and educate in every possible way. She has done more research and study that most people combined. Volunteer her time.... You should be ashamed of yourself! Yes, you might as well move on because you're not going to listen to anyone.