Show breeders breeding sickness instead of health....

[EverythingMiley]

that is so sad..i'll save an argument by not voicing what I really feel

[tegamom1]

I find the title of this thread rather appalling. I'm afraid Mardelin has her work cut out trying to educate and inform people that know little to nothing about show breeder/exhibitors. Yes, there may be a few that have little concern for genetic health problems and are only concerned about the dollar, BUT, I have found that is definitely not the majority but a very definite minority! I have known breeders and exhibitors for many years and I'm happy to say, I have never known one such as you are describing. They instead spend so much time studying and researching anything and everything they can to breed for health along with "the beauty" and the standard and if a problem were to show up, the dogs would certainly not be bred. If you want to crusade for the genetic problems in Yorkies or other breeds, then start knocking on the doors of all the back yard breeders, puppy mills, pet stores and jane does that "just want their baby to have puppies for all their friends and family". It's no wonder there are so few show breeders that come on YT anymore. Most don't have the patience that Mary has and just say to heck with it. Sorry, I'm tired and this kind of attach on show breeders has just got on my last nerve.

[EverythingMiley]

I feel the OP is just trying to educate. I"m sure she had no intentions on attacking anyone but instead just posted a video that stated facts. What everyone needs to realize is that there are bad breeders in many dif forms. Its time everyone opened their eyes to the truth and realize that it's not just byb, puppymills and pet stores that are bad but in fact there are many forms of bad breeders. you yourself chose to take offense to the cold hard facts..she is just trying to educate. If yu and your friends practice good breeding ethics we all applaud you, but what you need to realize is not all show breeders do the same.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by EverythingMiley

I feel the OP is just trying to educate. I"m sure she had no intentions on attacking anyone but instead just posted a video that stated facts. What everyone needs to realize is that there are bad breeders in many dif forms. Its time everyone opened their eyes to the truth and realize that it's not just byb, puppymills and pet stores that are bad but in fact there are many forms of bad breeders. you yourself chose to take offense to the cold hard facts..she is just trying to educate. If yu and your friends practice good breeding ethics we all applaud you, but what you need to realize is not all show breeders do the same.

Were you aware that the video that was posted was sponsored by PETA and they went on the crusade during the Crufts shows....Yep! good ole PETA.
Were you aware that they dressed in KKK garb and boycotted the Westminster shows in NY this year......

No one is saying this stuff doesn't exist.....but, the video posted in the show section did appear to be a statement against exhibitor breeders....And the exhibitor breeders I know do practice ethics and good breeding practices.....the ones that don't I don't associate with.....

If one wants to educate....one needs to gather the facts and speak from first hand experience...

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Were you aware that the video that was posted was sponsored by PETA and they went on the crusade during the Crufts shows....Yep! good ole PETA.
Were you aware that they dressed in KKK garb and boycotted the Westminster shows in NY this year......

No one is saying this stuff doesn't exist.....but, the video posted in the show section did appear to be a statement against exhibitor breeders....And the exhibitor breeders I know do practice ethics and good breeding practices.....the ones that don't I don't associate with.....

If one wants to educate....one needs to gather the facts and speak from first hand experience...

Thank you for your informative posts as always. How do you say to some they need to sit back for awhile and watch and take time to learn before jumping on all the bandwagons and defending the wrong actions. I've been a member here at YT for years, my advice is watch and learn from the "real pros". After a while of watching you learn who they are.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Breeze

Thank you for your informative posts as always. How do you say to some they need to sit back for awhile and watch and take time to learn before jumping on all the bandwagons and defending the wrong actions. I've been a member here at YT for years, my advice is watch and learn from the "real pros". After a while of watching you learn who they are.

I don't know how to tell someone that...I guess it's something that is learned with time.

[EverythingMiley]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Were you aware that the video that was posted was sponsored by PETA and they went on the crusade during the Crufts shows....Yep! good ole PETA.
Were you aware that they dressed in KKK garb and boycotted the Westminster shows in NY this year......

No one is saying this stuff doesn't exist.....but, the video posted in the show section did appear to be a statement against exhibitor breeders....And the exhibitor breeders I know do practice ethics and good breeding practices.....the ones that don't I don't associate with.....

If one wants to educate....one needs to gather the facts and speak from first hand experience...

YOu said so yourself you don't know ALL breeders sohow can you make this statement. I'm not getting into a battle with you.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by EverythingMiley

I feel the OP is just trying to educate. I"m sure she had no intentions on attacking anyone but instead just posted a video that stated facts. What everyone needs to realize is that there are bad breeders in many dif forms. Its time everyone opened their eyes to the truth and realize that it's not just byb, puppymills and pet stores that are bad but in fact there are many forms of bad breeders. you yourself chose to take offense to the cold hard facts..she is just trying to educate. If yu and your friends practice good breeding ethics we all applaud you, but what you need to realize is not all show breeders do the same.

Ok, I just have to ask you how long you've owned a yorkie, researched the breed.... and now you are trying to educated a yorkie show breeder? I hope you know that some documentaries show only one side, sometimes the information is not correct or very biased...... I'm not trying to offend or be rude but I, even after all my years of research, learning and having a couple show mentors of my own, would never say such a thing to a show breeder.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by EverythingMiley

YOu said so yourself you don't know ALL breeders sohow can you make this statement. I'm not getting into a battle with you.

What part of the statement are you referring too. How can I make the statement, I just did.......And what I was referring to was the video......it was in efforts to boycott the Cruft shows.....amazing huh! And did you know because of PETA's antics the show was not able to be televised......

There is nothing referring to any particular breeder....However, I do know a lot of reputable breeders all over the country......and a few not so reputable ones. The dog world is very small, when it comes to knowing who is who in the zoo.

[EverythingMiley]

Originally Posted by Breeze

Ok, I just have to ask you how long you've owned a yorkie, researched the breed.... and now you are trying to educated a yorkie show breeder? I hope you know that some documentaries show only one side, sometimes the information is not correct or very biased...... I'm not trying to offend or be rude but I, even after all my years of research, learning and having a couple show mentors of my own, would never say such a thing to a show breeder.

Where in my post did I try to educate? I stated that the OP posted somthing of interest that we may learn from. That we do need to look at all sides. I"m sorry but we all know and must admit there are bad breeders and yes evenshow breeders. THats not to say all or even the majority.

[EverythingMiley]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

What part of the statement are you referring too. How can I make the statement, I just did.......And what I was referring to was the video......it was in efforts to boycott the Cruft shows.....amazing huh! And did you know because of PETA's antics the show was not able to be televised......

There is nothing referring to any particular breeder....However, I do know a lot of reputable breeders all over the country......and a few not so reputable ones. The dog world is very small, when it comes to knowing who is who in the zoo.

I see...

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by EverythingMiley

I feel the OP is just trying to educate. I"m sure she had no intentions on attacking anyone but instead just posted a video that stated facts. What everyone needs to realize is that there are bad breeders in many dif forms. Its time everyone opened their eyes to the truth and realize that it's not just byb, puppymills and pet stores that are bad but in fact there are many forms of bad breeders. you yourself chose to take offense to the cold hard facts..she is just trying to educate. If yu and your friends practice good breeding ethics we all applaud you, but what you need to realize is not all show breeders do the same.

Originally Posted by EverythingMiley

Where in my post did I try to educate? I stated that the OP posted somthing of interest that we may learn from. That we do need to look at all sides. I"m sorry but we all know and must admit there are bad breeders and yes evenshow breeders. THats not to say all or even the majority.

There, I'm glad you see that but to me it is very disrespectful. I can see why the show breeders get so upset. I'm sorry you can't see your own mistakes before trying to teach others.

[yorkiegirl2]

Personally I didn’t see where she said anything disrespectful.
And, it doesn’t matter who put the video out.
Because it pretty much spoke for itself.
Over the years it’s shown the harm that has been done to different breeds by clubs who have set the standards.

It’s a fact.
A person can show a defective dog, produce many offspring and the kennel club will gladly shut their mouth and hold out their hand for money they make registering offspring .

I have NO respect for anyone who would purposely breed in such a way as to
cause harm and pain to any dog.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Personally I didn’t see where she said anything disrespectful.
And, it doesn’t matter who put the video out.
Because it pretty much spoke for itself.
Over the years it’s shown the harm that has been done to different breeds by clubs who have set the standards.

It’s a fact.
A person can show a defective dog, produce many offspring and the kennel club will gladly shut their mouth and hold out their hand for money they make registering offspring .

I have NO respect for anyone who would purposely breed in such a way as to
cause harm and pain to any dog.

Well I did. The video showed one side of the show world in a very negative light. You talk about the harm, well what about all the good the responsible breeders have done for this breed or any breed, you don't see it? What a shame. Nothing is a "fact" just because it's on T.V.

I don't respect those breeders either that would ever cause harm to any breed and am very thankful to all the very good respectable show breeders out there who do their best to improve it. I just want to say thank you to them and all they do!

I saw that video too and the whole tv program several times, I think it's wrong of course but perhaps the program shows a very one sided and media jaded point of view. The yorkie show breeders here and the several I've met have never breed purposely for tinies......

From what I've seen and learned that to be a part of the show world and stick around you better be in it for the breed.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by Breeze

Well I did. The video showed one side of the show world in a very negative light. You talk about the harm, well what about all the good the responsible breeders have done for this breed or any breed, you don't see it? What a shame. Nothing is a "fact" just because it's on T.V.

I don't respect those breeders either that would ever cause harm to any breed and am very thankful to all the very good respectable show breeders out there who do their best to improve it. I just want to say thank you to them and all they do!

I saw that video too and the whole tv program several times, I think it's wrong of course but perhaps the program shows a very one sided and media jaded point of view. The yorkie show breeders here and the several I've met have never breed purposely for tinies......

From what I've seen and learned that to be a part of the show world and stick around you better be in it for the breed.

Breeze, I'm not talking about our show breeders here.
I think we have some of the best on this forum.
What few we have left.
I hate that we never hear from some of our older breeders anymore.. Like Yorkierose.
But, we have also had a few bad apples too.
So, there is good and bad.

I do Appreciate those who do right by the breed , their advice, wisdom and experience.
But, doesn’t always mean I'm going to agree with certain things.