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09-07-2009, 12:31 PM | #1 |
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| Show breeders breeding sickness instead of health.... I just came across this documentary from the BBC in the UK....The film is a disturbing and sad film concerning the dramatically declining health and the wide spread genetic problems that are putting dogs in jeopardy of extinction..... The show breeders are refusing to acknowledge that a problem exists and they will purposely breed dogs with genetic issues because the breed clubs are refusing to change their breed standards. The breed clubs are most concerned with looks and beauty than health or genetics and will encourage inline breeding to get the desired look. I was so disturbed to see a Ridgeback breeder openly admit that even though a ridge back is a deformity they will breed for it and will kill the healthy pups that don't carry the ridge. Equally disturbing is the Caviler King breeders breeding their dogs with a genetic brain defect in which the brain can not fit inside the skull......And Danny the Pekineses that has a genetic disease and they continue to breed him because he won Crufts....All this breeding is being done by show breeders for beauty. So, so sad and disturbing.....Click on the blue band on top of the box if you care to see the film.....
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09-07-2009, 01:47 PM | #2 |
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| this has been making the rounds for quite some time. A few yorkie people try to deny that it happens to our breed but they know it does. I put my girl in an AKC show a couple of years ago and was talking to the other exhibitor in my class. She was not the breeder of the dog, but she told me her dog and it's two sibling whom she had also purchased had just tested positive for Liver Shunt and were in the research group. Her dog beat mine by the way for first place. She has posted about her dogs on here in the breeder review section. And just so you know of course she did not breed them and as far as I know, she didn't show that one anymore. Last edited by Sugar's Mom; 09-07-2009 at 01:50 PM. |
09-07-2009, 02:02 PM | #3 | |
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There are some breeders that attempt to bury their heads in the sand....keep things hush, hush. Now no breeder wants to shout it from the roof tops that their dogs produced genetic problems.....However, if such problems should arise.....the right thing to do is spay/nueter the two......the families of litter siblings should be contacted to let them know. And be there as a breeder.
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09-07-2009, 02:43 PM | #4 | |
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09-07-2009, 03:00 PM | #5 |
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| Thanks, Now in reference to the OP.....The UK Kennel Club is in the process of reevaluating each breed standard and putting strict guidelines and rules in place for breeders.....Testing is becoming manditory. So, as you said, what was posted has been around for along time.....
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09-07-2009, 03:03 PM | #6 | |
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09-07-2009, 03:22 PM | #7 | |
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I think the good breeders are few and far between....I will never forget about this show breeder that told me about another show breeder marching two of her beautiful healthy yorkies into a vets and having them put down for no other reason than her ego was bruised because her dogs didn't score any points in a competition.....To this day it makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it.....The coldness of some breeders is chilling.....
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09-07-2009, 03:26 PM | #8 | |
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09-07-2009, 03:54 PM | #9 | |
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Yes, problems exist in the US, YTCA is now funding an operation for their members for health studies....are we leaning to manditory testing, I think most members are doing that anyway and I said most. Will AKC begin to stear in that direction.....not sure.... DNA is only submitted to AKC for identifying parentage.... a male that has produced 7 litters in his lifetime must have a DNA on record with AKC. Some breeders do have their girls DNA's
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09-07-2009, 04:18 PM | #10 |
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| I truely feel that not just anyone should be allowed to be a breeder. You should have to prove that you have the education about the breed, and have some compassion. There should be many steps that need to be taken. I am not a breeder, nor do I want to be. I have 2 that I want to breed for me and only me, and only once. Some people disagree with that, and that's fine. It won't make me change my mind. I could not believe the dogs I seen when I was looking for a female. I know I'm getting off the subject, but Its a real shame what some people do to these dogs. |
09-07-2009, 04:19 PM | #11 |
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| Thanks for answering, you always seem to know the answer... I'm just now looking at the AKC and breeding out of curiosity and I'm finding the whole issue fascinating yet very disturbing....... If I'm understanding this right is this correct.....each breed has it's own unique club.... members of their club set the standards for what their particular breed should look like. Over time the standard has changed so breeders have gone along with the "rules" and bred to meet those changes. If they didn't then the dog can not enter into competitions because it does not have the correct look. Some of those changes have caused the dog to have health problems and physical problems in part because the gene pool is too limited ( too close in relation)....Is that close enough in a nut shell?.... I the documentary the issue seems to be that the dogs are not only having genetic problems but it far worse than that because the dog is being bred to change its looks entirely and that is having detrimental consequences for the dog. For instance....The pug is unable to breath because the standard says to have a very short muzzle...The Cavalier Kings head is only to be so large and it's brain can't fit in....The German Shepard can barely walk because the standard wants the back legs shorter than the front...etc.etc I see I've just scratched the surface on this subject.....
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09-07-2009, 04:24 PM | #12 | |
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Things have evolved so much since I was a kid....nobody spay/nuetered their dogs, they were fed table scraps....vet, shots???????? I think that the population hasn't caught up with the times in their thoughts of breeding and pets.....
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09-07-2009, 04:31 PM | #13 | |
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If I'm understanding this right is this correct.....each breed has it's own unique club.... members of their club set the standards for what their particular breed should look like. Over time the standard has changed so breeders have gone along with the "rules" and bred to meet those changes. If they didn't then the dog can not enter into competitions because it does not have the correct look. Some of those changes have caused the dog to have health problems and physical problems in part because the gene pool is too limited ( too close in relation)....Is that close enough in a nut shell?.... A bit more complicated than that....and it would be getting into genetics and correct breeding a bit too complicated. But, what has really happened is that breeders have bred undiscrimenately....not taken the time to know what their doing.....Look at what is happening to the yorkie.....It's the #2 breed in the country....WoW! lets hop on the band wagon and make a buck....get 2 dogs put them together and sell puppies for big bucks, these people have not and do not take the time to do it correctly ......Yes, there are breeder exhibitors that breed on a larger scale, they are the ones that have good financial backing. But, for the most part breeder/exhibitors breed on a very limited basis, so that they can do it correctly. But, either way they have taken the time to learn and educate theselves on everything yorkie/canine....showing is all they're involved it.....much more to the world of yorkie than tat. The yorkie gene pool is not too limited....
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09-07-2009, 04:34 PM | #14 |
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| Ok Mary, back to class for me...lol Thank you for trying....
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09-07-2009, 04:37 PM | #15 |
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| Lots to learn....but, at least you want to.....
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