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Mardelin · 08-08-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by treasurebeauty

I don't think she is a member of YTCA, but after all these problem occured, I done some research on her, and found out there are also other people that has problem with her...

Right now, I am not even sure if I should keep the boy or not... I will have to wait until my vet comlete all the health exam on him before I made my decision.

But... I think she is selling her dog with open registration to everyone...

If the boy was not to your liking, why did you take him. Were you purchasing a show dog? Did you pay the money for a show dog. If yes, that definately take him back. What kind of contract did you have?

Have you met this breeder face to face? If not, I'd definately would have turned the other way and ran when she said she'd sell me a dog with open registration. Doesn't care about her dogs or her lines......

treasurebeauty · 08-08-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bjh

I am so sorry this bad breeder did this to you. Is there anyway you can post pictures of your pup? I know you are reluctant to say the breeders name but I really think you should post pictures and let everyone know who the breeder is. Have you talked to the breeder about getting your money back?

I will definately post pictures of the pup!! I am gonna take some pictures of his huge hernia, and send them to AKC, and I will post some pictures of him, so you guys can see what he look like!! He doesn't have any Yorkie look; he has a totally Silky Terrier look with super long nose!!! I can't believe she even give me a AKC paper shows that he is from Champion Sire!! I can't believe a Champion would produce such a horrible quality!!!

treasurebeauty · 08-08-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bjh

I am so sorry this bad breeder did this to you. Is there anyway you can post pictures of your pup? I know you are reluctant to say the breeders name but I really think you should post pictures and let everyone know who the breeder is. Have you talked to the breeder about getting your money back?

Oh by the way, she didn't pick up her phone call today, nor reply my email!!

treasurebeauty · 08-08-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

If the boy was not to your liking, why did you take him. Were you purchasing a show dog? Did you pay the money for a show dog. If yes, that definately take him back. What kind of contract did you have?

Have you met this breeder face to face? If not, I'd definately would have turned the other way and ran when she said she'd sell me a dog with open registration. Doesn't care about her dogs or her lines......

I did see the pictures of the puppy, she send me some of the pictures of the puppy at 8wks old, and when I ask for more pictures, she never did. Oh, and guess what, the puppy doesn't look like the pictures at all!!

I will do everything I can, I already call my credit card company to put a stop payment on her, the only thing I lose will be my deposit, but I will definatley make AKC aware of the whole situation.

AbbysMom08 · 08-08-2009, 10:03 PM

What a mess and a sad situation this is. I'm sorry you are going through this. I also feel very bad for this little boy.
I hope you are able to get this settled.
Please keep us posted.

HarrisFamily · 08-09-2009, 06:54 PM

I wonder if DNA was done if the puppy would match to the Ch sire? I wonder about that with the puppy I got sometimes.

Whitney

mjharpst · 08-10-2009, 08:51 AM

What an awful situation! I am not a breeder so I would not know what to do either! I am so sorry!

Laura Hollingsw · 08-10-2009, 11:14 AM

I am so sorry you are going thru this1 People like this should not be breeding! I also think you should post who the breeder is so hopefully nobody else has to go thru what you have.

treasurebeauty · 08-10-2009, 12:27 PM

I couldn't believe the breeder told me the puppy only have a umbilical hernia, so he is still a breeding quality. Of course I know what a umbilical hernia is, and if one of my puppy has it, I will definitely sell it as a pet, and the new owner will be notified first before the puppy goes home!!! I couldn't believe she think it's ok that she doesn't have to mention to me at all, and let me receive the puppy with surprise!! How could a show breeder told me that a dog with hernia can still be show and breed. A hernia is a hernia, even though a umbilical hernia might not coming from genetic, but it's still a defect of the dog!!

She said "... he has tight knees, good bite, straight top line, so that makes him a breeding quality male..." Right, but this male has a floppy ears, and the position of the ear is incorrect, the ears set is just like a Maltese, and the nose is like a Silky. If a yorkie doesn't have correct standard, even he has good knees, bite, and top line, I wouldn't use him for breeding!!

Come on~~ Are we suppose to bred to improve the quality of the breed?? Why this "show breeder" sounds so much like a backyard breeder!!!???

Please, I would like to have some experience and reputable show breeder tell me if it's true that a dog with umbilical hernia can still be consider a breeding quality?? I just can't believe it...

P.S. I am going to post pictures of this puppy later tonight, so everybody can see how big this hernia is!!

treasurebeauty · 08-10-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Laura Hollingsw

I am so sorry you are going thru this1 People like this should not be breeding! I also think you should post who the breeder is so hopefully nobody else has to go thru what you have.

I want to post her name too, but I know from other forum, that people post her name and complain about her, has faced a problem that she come and start posting msg with full of "ugly wording"

What will be your recommendation? should I do post it?

treasurebeauty · 08-10-2009, 05:22 PM

This is the pictures of the boy that I got. I just can't believe he is out of a Champion Sire with nice show line.

I think he looks more like a silky terrier instead of a yorkie. What do you guys think??

treasurebeauty · 08-10-2009, 05:26 PM

These are some pictures of his belly. This pictures are taken right when he arrived, so he was not showerd, and looks dirty.

bjh · 08-10-2009, 05:34 PM

In my opinion he is not a show quality puppy if that is what you paid for and if that is what your contract says. Yes, I feel you need to let everyone know who the breeder was. I know I would never buy a pup from her.

FlDebra · 08-10-2009, 05:38 PM

I think he is a cute yorkie, but not what I would expect either. I do not think you can tell when a pup is only 10-12 weeks old that it is of breeding caliber. You just take a chance, buy the best quality you can, and hope that they will grow to be in standard. Around 6 months old you finally have a good idea what you have bought. I just posted a picture of one of my males from the last litter. If I had waited another month, I would have never sold him!

I do think you should post who the breeder is you bought him from. As long as you only post facts, avoid all name calling, you will be fine. It is important for people to know.

I to, believe if you put down a deposit, and the puppy winds up unavailable or in your case too small for intended breeding, then the deposit should be available for return. Since you first agreed to put on another, that is fine, but when that did not work out either, she should have returned your deposit. I also do not like the for sale ads that do not clearly show the puppy. Some doll them all up in beads and outfits and it is hard to see the actual form of the puppy -- that usually turns me away. I want to see more than just the face held up by the hand too. I want to see how they hold themself, their stance, the topline, a little animation in the expression, full body pics, etc......Even at that, the full evaluation has to be in person. Pictures can be very misleading, even good pics. Sometimes it is not easy to take a good picture of a puppy either. They may not show their true potential. That is the way with me and my photog skills, or lack of skills, I should say.

kalina82 · 08-10-2009, 05:44 PM

i'm so sorry you are going through this. You've been thru quite an ordeal with this breeder even before you got a puppy. The puppy is very cute but i understand he's not what you waited for and paid for.

I really think you should post the name of the breeder so that other people don't have this happen to them.

08-08-2009, 10:03 PM	#20
AbbysMom08 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,268	What a mess and a sad situation this is. I'm sorry you are going through this. I also feel very bad for this little boy. I hope you are able to get this settled. Please keep us posted. __________________ Jan, Mommy to Abby

08-10-2009, 08:51 AM	#22
mjharpst YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,061	What an awful situation! I am not a breeder so I would not know what to do either! I am so sorry! __________________ Meagan Ryder, Roxie, & Prince

08-10-2009, 05:38 PM	#29
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	I think he is a cute yorkie, but not what I would expect either. I do not think you can tell when a pup is only 10-12 weeks old that it is of breeding caliber. You just take a chance, buy the best quality you can, and hope that they will grow to be in standard. Around 6 months old you finally have a good idea what you have bought. I just posted a picture of one of my males from the last litter. If I had waited another month, I would have never sold him! I do think you should post who the breeder is you bought him from. As long as you only post facts, avoid all name calling, you will be fine. It is important for people to know. I to, believe if you put down a deposit, and the puppy winds up unavailable or in your case too small for intended breeding, then the deposit should be available for return. Since you first agreed to put on another, that is fine, but when that did not work out either, she should have returned your deposit. I also do not like the for sale ads that do not clearly show the puppy. Some doll them all up in beads and outfits and it is hard to see the actual form of the puppy -- that usually turns me away. I want to see more than just the face held up by the hand too. I want to see how they hold themself, their stance, the topline, a little animation in the expression, full body pics, etc......Even at that, the full evaluation has to be in person. Pictures can be very misleading, even good pics. Sometimes it is not easy to take a good picture of a puppy either. They may not show their true potential. That is the way with me and my photog skills, or lack of skills, I should say. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard Last edited by FlDebra; 08-10-2009 at 05:42 PM.

08-10-2009, 05:44 PM	#30
kalina82 Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: with my yorkie baby Posts: 10,141 Blog Entries: 1	i'm so sorry you are going through this. You've been thru quite an ordeal with this breeder even before you got a puppy. The puppy is very cute but i understand he's not what you waited for and paid for. I really think you should post the name of the breeder so that other people don't have this happen to them. __________________ Kellie and Morgan

08-09-2009, 06:54 PM	#21
HarrisFamily Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 227	I wonder if DNA was done if the puppy would match to the Ch sire? I wonder about that with the puppy I got sometimes. Whitney

08-10-2009, 11:14 AM	#23
Laura Hollingsw Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Watford,On Posts: 126	I am so sorry you are going thru this1 People like this should not be breeding! I also think you should post who the breeder is so hopefully nobody else has to go thru what you have.

08-10-2009, 12:27 PM	#24
treasurebeauty Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: La Jolla, CA, USA Posts: 47	I couldn't believe the breeder told me the puppy only have a umbilical hernia, so he is still a breeding quality. Of course I know what a umbilical hernia is, and if one of my puppy has it, I will definitely sell it as a pet, and the new owner will be notified first before the puppy goes home!!! I couldn't believe she think it's ok that she doesn't have to mention to me at all, and let me receive the puppy with surprise!! How could a show breeder told me that a dog with hernia can still be show and breed. A hernia is a hernia, even though a umbilical hernia might not coming from genetic, but it's still a defect of the dog!! She said "... he has tight knees, good bite, straight top line, so that makes him a breeding quality male..." Right, but this male has a floppy ears, and the position of the ear is incorrect, the ears set is just like a Maltese, and the nose is like a Silky. If a yorkie doesn't have correct standard, even he has good knees, bite, and top line, I wouldn't use him for breeding!! Come on~~ Are we suppose to bred to improve the quality of the breed?? Why this "show breeder" sounds so much like a backyard breeder!!!??? Please, I would like to have some experience and reputable show breeder tell me if it's true that a dog with umbilical hernia can still be consider a breeding quality?? I just can't believe it... P.S. I am going to post pictures of this puppy later tonight, so everybody can see how big this hernia is!!

08-10-2009, 05:34 PM	#28
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	In my opinion he is not a show quality puppy if that is what you paid for and if that is what your contract says. Yes, I feel you need to let everyone know who the breeder was. I know I would never buy a pup from her.