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07-16-2009, 07:08 PM | #1 |
My Tiny Treasures Donating Member | New borns gasping Just curious on what other breeders do when pups come out gasping. I had one tonight that I just couldnt bring around. She was born with some weird looking placenta, if i had to describe it , it was like a bunch of little livers attached?? There was lots of blood but she seemed fine physically. I suctioned and suctions, i swung, I rubbed over and over, and I did mouth to mouth. I did this repeatedly for over an hour and I lost her. What am I missing? What could I have done different? I had 1 pup get stuck by her head and I finally had to go in and rotate her. And got her out. she was gasping and I did the same on her but she came out of it. I had another come gasping too. This was the last one born (all were breech but 1) breech with lots of fluids. I got her to come around too. But I had to work on them for a bit. What could I have done different? what causes the gasping? I never had them gasp like this so I'm hoping someone can give me some insight and possibly tell me what I can do if this happens again. Thanks for reading. |
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07-16-2009, 07:24 PM | #2 | |
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There is a couple of things: I don't know if your vet will prescribe it but it's Dopram V......great from bringing them around. The one thing I do when they're born is administer a small drop of NutriDrops on my finger and rub it on their gums. It's absorbed quickly and somehow gives them the extra ump to help them. But the Dopram V I highly recommend
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07-16-2009, 07:36 PM | #3 | |
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07-16-2009, 07:39 PM | #4 |
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| Mardelin, I found this about Dopram... DOPRAM-V (doxapram hydrochloride) is a potent respiratory stimulant. It is unique in its ability to stimulate respiration at dosages considerably below those required to evoke cerebral cortical stimulation. In nonanesthetized animals the dose required to produce convulsions is some 70 to 75 times the dose required to produce respiratory stimulation. In anesthetized subjects, doxapram also exerts a marked arousal effect. Thus, by promoting the restoration of normal ventilation and producing early arousal following general anesthesia, doxapram minimizes or prevents the undesirable effects of post-anesthetic respiratory depression or hypoventilation and hastens recovery. I had never heard of this before. Interesting, but is it safe on newborns? Breny, I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I've had gasping pups but none that didn't perk up quickly. It seems to have happened to me with the smaller ones and once some that were born at 58 days from the only tie. Prayers and best wishes that the surviving pups thrive. Jim
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07-16-2009, 07:57 PM | #7 |
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| Thanks, I'll be asking my vet about this. I found this info about dosing...Good to know it's safe and effective. # Dosing Information # Medication should never be administered without first consulting your veterinarian. # To stimulate breathing following anesthesia, doxapram is dosed at 0.5 to 2.5 mg per pound (1 to 5 mg/kg) intravenous. # To stimulate breathing in newborns, doxapram is dosed at 1 to 2 drops under the tongue per baby or 0.1 ml intravenous in the umbilical vein. # The duration of administration depends on the condition being treated, response to the medication and the development of any adverse effects. *Doxapram is the name of the drug. Dopram V is the veterinary formulation of it.
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07-16-2009, 07:58 PM | #8 |
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07-16-2009, 08:00 PM | #9 | |
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07-16-2009, 08:01 PM | #10 |
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| I am so sorry for your loss. I have had them come out gasping buy have always been able to get them breathing, hoping the others will be ok
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07-16-2009, 08:49 PM | #11 |
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| Breny I am sorry you lost a baby after trying so hard to keep alive.. but glad the others made it ok.. Great information on this thread... anne |
07-16-2009, 09:02 PM | #12 | |
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I am so sorry. You have had such a tough time. Our first one was born gasping , but like the others said, I was able to bring him around too. That has to be so frustrating and scary, but I don't doubt you did everything in your could. My heart just breaks for you and your babies. Last edited by tammys; 07-16-2009 at 09:05 PM. | |
07-17-2009, 03:48 PM | #13 |
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| Breny, I'm so sorry you loss the pup. I have had a few that have gasped too. But, seem to come around after the suctioning, rubbing and slinging. It's sad. Because as hard as you try, sometimes you just can’t get them to live. I just wonder, if a pup conceived later in the cycle maybe the lungs are just not fully developed ..? Also wanted to say Congrats on the other babies. |
07-17-2009, 07:45 PM | #14 |
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| Breny, so sorry to hear about the loss of your little one. I know you did everything you could. One time when my girl had a C section one of the pups wouldn't come around and they gave the pup Dopram and she perked up and did fine. So I know it can help. Because of the weird placenta I wonder if your pup's problem may have been more severe.
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07-17-2009, 07:55 PM | #15 |
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| Dopram V is what I use too. Works wonders! I'm sorry for your loss! |
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