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4doggiemama · 07-08-2009, 10:02 AM

You're offering him a 2 lb. breeder when you say it is wrong to breed such small ones? Good grief!!!

Sugar's Mom · 07-08-2009, 10:54 AM

What does where yorkies come from have to do with you making "shorkies"? I looked on PuppyFind and you HAVE stolen his pictures and are using his name and line to promote your puppies obviously without his permission. How many dogs do you have listed on puppyFind right now. i stopped looking after one page. You have some nerve lady coming on here and bad mouthing him is all I have to say about it. You wrote some nasty things about him and he has every right to come on here and defend himself. I feel his only mistake was in not checking you out closer. Most breeders, had they known your business would never in a million years have sold you a puppy. i feel so bad for those babies.

livingdustmops · 07-08-2009, 11:18 AM

Both of these people are wrong IMHO. A reputable breeder would never sell a 2 lb dog without it being fixed especially if it was going out of the country. How is he protecting his lines if this is what he is doing. If his country doesn't allow spay/neuter then don't sell it outside of the country as you can't check on the new owner.

This buyer is breeding mixed dogs and trying to justify it.

Again, more people making $$$ of the back of dogs and not protecting the animals in their keeping.

Sad.

julietimothy · 07-08-2009, 11:52 AM

I am a very open minded person and I see wrong on both sides. A breeder should never ship the wrong dog with out talking to the person, if she paid for a Ch.sired puppy that is what she should have got. She paid to much for a puppy that the mom and dad was not even Champions. Does no one see wrong in that. If the puppy she bought got sick he should have contacted her and see what she wanted to do, not just seen her another puppy. That would make me very mad.

For as the seller, if she had bought a puppy before from you and give you trouble, why sell to her again unless it was for $$$$ only.

For as the pictures, if you are not happy with this breeder take the photos off. You don't have a Champion sired dog, stop act as if you do.

For as AKC reg mixed breeds, I like AKC, my dogs are AKC reg. but it comes down to money with them too. They make money than the biggest puppy mill breeder or show breeders. They are the ones that is in it for $$$$ when it come to reg. mix breeds.

About the breeding a 2lbs female, I would never. But what you said about you breed 4.5-8 lbs (8lbs is out of the standard and should not be breed)

so both of you are in the wrong!!!

peggynitro · 07-08-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chachi

The AKC isnt registering mixed breeds they are just recognizing them now so they can compete in agility thats all

Boy, I hate to be wrong and I just went back and read what it says about the "New Mixed Breed Program" and I have to stick by what I said. It says the program begins October 1st 2009 and that mixed breed owners can list their dogs with AKC's New Mixed Breed Program. It goes on to say that the cost is $35, dogs must be spay/neutered, and dogs in the program will be given an ID number, etc. It says that in Phase 1 that dogs registering will recieve a Certificate (A), (B) A Competition Card with their ID number that will "allow" them to compete now in Agaility and etc. But I don't necessarily take that to mean that they HAVE TO COMPETE. Maybe I'm wrong?? (C) is that you get access to the AKC Community of people that love and support anything dog. (D) And affiliation with groups that fight anti dog ownership legislation and so forth. I'm only 50% sure I'm reading it right but I just don't have the time (nor care) to ask AKC staff for sure what their new program is about for sure. I'd feel a little stupid with my question too, lol. You'd think the answers would be black and white clear! LOL 50% chance you're right too! Peggy

julietimothy · 07-08-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by peggynitro

Boy, I hate to be wrong and I just went back and read what it says about the "New Mixed Breed Program" and I have to stick by what I said. It says the program begins October 1st 2009 and that mixed breed owners can list their dogs with AKC's New Mixed Breed Program. It goes on to say that the cost is $35, dogs must be spay/neutered, and dogs in the program will be given an ID number, etc. It says that in Phase 1 that dogs registering will recieve a Certificate (A), (B) A Competition Card with their ID number that will "allow" them to compete now in Agaility and etc. But I don't necessarily take that to mean that they HAVE TO COMPETE. Maybe I'm wrong?? (C) is that you get access to the AKC Community of people that love and support anything dog. (D) And affiliation with groups that fight anti dog ownership legislation and so forth. I'm only 50% sure I'm reading it right but I just don't have the time (nor care) to ask AKC staff for sure what their new program is about for sure. I'd feel a little stupid with my question too, lol. You'd think the answers would be black and white clear! LOL 50% chance you're right too! Peggy

I still think they are only reg. mixed breed for the $35.00 they will make a lot of money doing this. It is a money thing!!!!! Before you know it AKC will be as bad as some of the other Reg.

javier2905 · 07-08-2009, 01:35 PM

Your Name is Peggy Rogers , you are from Iowa , you mix s**th-Zu and Yorkies , they are extremally large size , if I call them ugly is just because you say that first , I have your email where you ask me for nices pics from my dogs for to use in your adds , because your dogs are " to ugly " this is what yoo say about your own dogs , of course my answer was negetive , you can´t use other dog´s pics , you have to use your own dogs pics even if they are " Ugly " like you say . I have also the mails from you where you say sorry because your Vet made a terrible mistaque and took off many adult tooth from Tiziano ( the first dog which I sold to you ) , later also you asked for to use pics from Ch. Lion Dór and I told you which I sold that dog to another American Breeder , and if you want to use his pics you haved to ask to the new owner , you didn´t and you just put his pics in your adds even when that dog is not yours puppy´s sire . The female puppy which i sent to you is more than cute , she has the most wonderfull silky coat , excelent colour and baby face , of course she will look so different than your 8 pounds yorkies , she will be just normal size around 4 pounds adult size , and she has extraordinary Champion pedigree like all my dogs has , because I work so hard for that , so you not have authorization to profit on my own hard work during all those 20 year as a Breeder . I have all your emails also as a proof , i just don´t know how I can show here , but please anybody which can email me I can resend those emails so you can see how Peggy Rogers act like a " Breeder " , also you lied to me because you told me in one email like you want a small female for your nephew so he can start to show her , and also you want a small female so you can bring her everywhere just because your are so big , but inmediatly after you receibed the female you asked me if she can breed , so you are a good example of the realy bad breeders around the world , which just want to make money with large litters and doesn´t care about the quality , I sent all your email to puppyfind already and also to the new owners of Ch. lion Dór . Javier Coronel .

FlDebra · 07-08-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by julietimothy

I am a very open minded person and I see wrong on both sides. A breeder should never ship the wrong dog with out talking to the person, if she paid for a Ch.sired puppy that is what she should have got. She paid to much for a puppy that the mom and dad was not even Champions. Does no one see wrong in that. If the puppy she bought got sick he should have contacted her and see what she wanted to do, not just seen her another puppy. That would make me very mad.
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About the breeding a 2lbs female, I would never. But what you said about you breed 4.5-8 lbs (8lbs is out of the standard and should not be breed)

I see some wrong on each side too. I think it is very difficult to sell internationally unless affiliated with a dog club of some kind that could have members on both sides to vouch for the seller and buyer.

I think they are saying different things about her accepting a different puppy as one of the two she chose died and the other was too tiny to ship out for possible breeding. He said: "and because I´m very responsable persons I sent to Peggy my own puppy that one which I was choose for to keep for my self , I explain that to her and she was agree and happy with the new girl , "

The 2 pound puppy is only 18 weeks old. She might make it up to 5 pounds, although it will probably be more like 3 pounds, so you are right, no one should have sold or bought her as a breeding prospect. If no one wants her, send her to me!

I think if the buyer was unhappy with her first purchase, she would not hjave gone through all of the trouble to buy another puppy from an out-of-country seller. I think if the seller was that unhappy with the buyer on the first purchase, he should not have thought she was improving enough to sell her another. So, they must not have been that unhappy with each other on the male purchase. It was with this little female, bad feelings developed. Why? Is it because she is a different female than originally picked? Not as pretty as the first ones? Too little to breed? Why now is the seller mad? Did he not know that she was mixing breeds? Did he not know that she was wanting to breed this female?

Too many questions for me to even think about taking sides. I do think the buyer should get his pictures off her ads immediately. You do not steal pictures and use them without permission. If he was local to the her, it would be easy to sue her and take a percentage of every sale she makes with his pictures!

I think the seller should not sell anymore dogs until he can have a good reference from the people's vet and maybe for sales to the U.S. like this, require a YTCA member to vouch for them.

Unfortunately this sale is done, and there is probably little to be done. The buyer is only going to return the puppy if he pays for everything and that is probably going to be a huge expense for the seller. This is unfortunate because the seller's dogs look gorgeous! To have one even that has to be spayed for being too small to breed would be an honor.

peggynitro · 07-08-2009, 01:46 PM

I'm sorry if I'm confusing people. I'm offering him his dog back that he told me that was so beautiful and that he planned to keep for himself to breed in the first place. I have no say over what he does with his 2lb females. I was promised a 5 lb female from his CH Sire Dog and what I got from him was a 2 lb female, not CH and not the dog I wanted. He told me that my dog (Kormic Light) had died about 2-3 weeks before he wrote me to get my shipping info but he didn't tell me any of this until AFTER the dog he shipped had already arrived at my home here in USA. When this other 2 lb female arrived I knew just by looking at her that she wasn't at all the dog that I sent money for. And once I got her home from Chicago I looked at the paperwork he sent to me. It was then and only then that I realized that this wasn't at all the dog that I bought. There was never any emails to the fact that Kormic Light had died. NOTHING! Just a strange dog arriving for me to pick-up that was supposed to be a completely different dog. I can't breed a 2lb 4 oz female. But Javier had told me that he was keeping that one for himself. Now what do you think, anyone think she'd never be bred beings he's a breeder? Just something to ponder. Javier can do what he wishes, I'm not hsi boss but I don't think I'd feel comfortable doing it. Just my opinion is all. Peggy

FlDebra · 07-08-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by javier2905

Your Name is Peggy Rogers , you are from Iowa , you mix s**th-Zu and Yorkies , they are extremally large size , if I call them ugly is just because you say that first , I have your email where you ask me for nices pics from my dogs for to use in your adds , because your dogs are " to ugly " this is what yoo say about your own dogs , of course my answer was negetive , you can´t use other dog´s pics , you have to use your own dogs pics even if they are " Ugly " like you say . I have also the mails from you where you say sorry because your Vet made a terrible mistaque and took off many adult tooth from Tiziano ( the first dog which I sold to you ) , later also you asked for to use pics from Ch. Lion Dór and I told you which I sold that dog to another American Breeder , and if you want to use his pics you haved to ask to the new owner , you didn´t and you just put his pics in your adds even when that dog is not yours puppy´s sire . The female puppy which i sent to you is more than cute , she has the most wonderfull silky coat , excelent colour and baby face , of course she will look so different than your 8 pounds yorkies , she will be just normal size around 4 pounds adult size , and she has extraordinary Champion pedigree like all my dogs has , because I work so hard for that , so you not have authorization to profit on my own hard work during all those 20 year as a Breeder . I have all your emails also as a proof , i just don´t know how I can show here , but please anybody which can email me I can resend those emails so you can see how Peggy Rogers act like a " Breeder " , also you lied to me because you told me in one email like you want a small female for your nephew so he can start to show her , and also you want a small female so you can bring her everywhere just because your are so big , but inmediatly after you receibed the female you asked me if she can breed , so you are a good example of the realy bad breeders around the world , which just want to make money with large litters and doesn´t care about the quality , I sent all your email to puppyfind already and also to the new owners of Ch. lion Dór . Javier Coronel .

This makes it sound a lot different now..... if the small dog was sold without breeding in mind, only because she wanted a small one to carry around, was the registration limited?

Xavier -- it is very unfortunate that you cannot trust people to be as they say online. Maybe if you have a US customer in the future, you can at least come on YT and ask if anyone knows of the breeder. Finding a reference will help towards being able to believe in them. I am sorry you are going through this now. It must be double frustrating that she is still using your pictures to advertise her dogs!!! I cannot believe she still has them on there even now!

javier2905 · 07-08-2009, 01:51 PM

Sorry to all of you which you think the female which i sold to Peggy Rogers will stay in 2 lbs , but you wrong , this puppy according to the dam and sire sizes will be around 4 pounds full grow , that for me is normal Yorkie size , not 2 pounds like she say ,also i have her email when she receibed the puppy she say she is small and very fat , but of course she made many mistaques already so everything will be wrong with my puppy .

peggynitro · 07-08-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

What does where yorkies come from have to do with you making "shorkies"? I looked on PuppyFind and you HAVE stolen his pictures and are using his name and line to promote your puppies obviously without his permission. How many dogs do you have listed on puppyFind right now. i stopped looking after one page. You have some nerve lady coming on here and bad mouthing him is all I have to say about it. You wrote some nasty things about him and he has every right to come on here and defend himself. I feel his only mistake was in not checking you out closer. Most breeders, had they known your business would never in a million years have sold you a puppy. i feel so bad for those babies.

You're so full of yourself. And you don't tell the truth either. Go ahead, look at puppyFind and just see how many dogs I have. Does 6 ring any bells up there? Now...lets see, there's either 12 or 15 dogs to a page. That'd definately mean I'd have pages upon pages of dogs. You and Javier related? My Gosh! Go away!

I do have 4 males with Brazil and Argenina lines, your correct. Give me a break. Don't come on here and start stirring up things that you don't have one IOTA what you're talking about.

FlDebra · 07-08-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by peggynitro

I can't breed a 2lb 4 oz female. ... Peggy

Since the dog is only 18 weeks old, I think it is fair to say you are exaggerating since the dog will no longer be 2 lb 4 oz when it is 18-24 months old and breeding age. It may still be underweight for breeding but it probably WILL NOT still be a 2 pounder.

How long have you had her?

javier2905 · 07-08-2009, 02:01 PM

Hi Debra , I just can let you know which the female which i sent to this woman Peggy Rogers will be more beautifull than those dogs in my pics , because she will have the same coat , and her face is a dream , She is a daugther of Nuria of Blue Point and my New Show Prospect California Wild´s Emperador I ( you can see those dogs in my website ), but unfortunally this female is not in the right hands so for sure she never will have the same coat , and she will look just like a little ugly dog in Peggy´s hands .

FlDebra · 07-08-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by javier2905

Sorry to all of you which you think the female which i sold to Peggy Rogers will stay in 2 lbs , but you wrong , this puppy according to the dam and sire sizes will be around 4 pounds full grow , that for me is normal Yorkie size , not 2 pounds like she say ,also i have her email when she receibed the puppy she say she is small and very fat , but of course she made many mistaques already so everything will be wrong with my puppy .

I just typed about the same thing. I think I am typing while you are posting. Fair to say the dog will grow! Only being 18 weeks old, she should grow quite a bit yet. She may very well make it to 4 pounds.

I will bet she has the potential to be beautiful. Maybe you two should agree to sell her to me instead of paying for all of that shipping!

07-08-2009, 10:02 AM	#16
4doggiemama Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: KS Posts: 3,290	You're offering him a 2 lb. breeder when you say it is wrong to breed such small ones? Good grief!!! __________________ Joanne Eli ChipperEva Snowboy Rosie(R.I.P. 1996-July 29, 2013) Cocoa(R.I.P 1998-April 26, 2012):

07-08-2009, 11:18 AM	#18
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	Both of these people are wrong IMHO. A reputable breeder would never sell a 2 lb dog without it being fixed especially if it was going out of the country. How is he protecting his lines if this is what he is doing. If his country doesn't allow spay/neuter then don't sell it outside of the country as you can't check on the new owner. This buyer is breeding mixed dogs and trying to justify it. Again, more people making $$$ of the back of dogs and not protecting the animals in their keeping. Sad. __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

07-08-2009, 10:54 AM	#17
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	What does where yorkies come from have to do with you making "shorkies"? I looked on PuppyFind and you HAVE stolen his pictures and are using his name and line to promote your puppies obviously without his permission. How many dogs do you have listed on puppyFind right now. i stopped looking after one page. You have some nerve lady coming on here and bad mouthing him is all I have to say about it. You wrote some nasty things about him and he has every right to come on here and defend himself. I feel his only mistake was in not checking you out closer. Most breeders, had they known your business would never in a million years have sold you a puppy. i feel so bad for those babies.

07-08-2009, 11:52 AM	#19
julietimothy YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Frisco City AL Posts: 325 Blog Entries: 1	I am a very open minded person and I see wrong on both sides. A breeder should never ship the wrong dog with out talking to the person, if she paid for a Ch.sired puppy that is what she should have got. She paid to much for a puppy that the mom and dad was not even Champions. Does no one see wrong in that. If the puppy she bought got sick he should have contacted her and see what she wanted to do, not just seen her another puppy. That would make me very mad. For as the seller, if she had bought a puppy before from you and give you trouble, why sell to her again unless it was for $$$$ only. For as the pictures, if you are not happy with this breeder take the photos off. You don't have a Champion sired dog, stop act as if you do. For as AKC reg mixed breeds, I like AKC, my dogs are AKC reg. but it comes down to money with them too. They make money than the biggest puppy mill breeder or show breeders. They are the ones that is in it for $$$$ when it come to reg. mix breeds. About the breeding a 2lbs female, I would never. But what you said about you breed 4.5-8 lbs (8lbs is out of the standard and should not be breed) so both of you are in the wrong!!!

07-08-2009, 01:35 PM	#22
javier2905 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Saenz Peña ,Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 23	Your Name is Peggy Rogers , you are from Iowa , you mix s**th-Zu and Yorkies , they are extremally large size , if I call them ugly is just because you say that first , I have your email where you ask me for nices pics from my dogs for to use in your adds , because your dogs are " to ugly " this is what yoo say about your own dogs , of course my answer was negetive , you can´t use other dog´s pics , you have to use your own dogs pics even if they are " Ugly " like you say . I have also the mails from you where you say sorry because your Vet made a terrible mistaque and took off many adult tooth from Tiziano ( the first dog which I sold to you ) , later also you asked for to use pics from Ch. Lion Dór and I told you which I sold that dog to another American Breeder , and if you want to use his pics you haved to ask to the new owner , you didn´t and you just put his pics in your adds even when that dog is not yours puppy´s sire . The female puppy which i sent to you is more than cute , she has the most wonderfull silky coat , excelent colour and baby face , of course she will look so different than your 8 pounds yorkies , she will be just normal size around 4 pounds adult size , and she has extraordinary Champion pedigree like all my dogs has , because I work so hard for that , so you not have authorization to profit on my own hard work during all those 20 year as a Breeder . I have all your emails also as a proof , i just don´t know how I can show here , but please anybody which can email me I can resend those emails so you can see how Peggy Rogers act like a " Breeder " , also you lied to me because you told me in one email like you want a small female for your nephew so he can start to show her , and also you want a small female so you can bring her everywhere just because your are so big , but inmediatly after you receibed the female you asked me if she can breed , so you are a good example of the realy bad breeders around the world , which just want to make money with large litters and doesn´t care about the quality , I sent all your email to puppyfind already and also to the new owners of Ch. lion Dór . Javier Coronel .

07-08-2009, 01:46 PM	#24
peggynitro Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 36	I'm sorry if I'm confusing people. I'm offering him his dog back that he told me that was so beautiful and that he planned to keep for himself to breed in the first place. I have no say over what he does with his 2lb females. I was promised a 5 lb female from his CH Sire Dog and what I got from him was a 2 lb female, not CH and not the dog I wanted. He told me that my dog (Kormic Light) had died about 2-3 weeks before he wrote me to get my shipping info but he didn't tell me any of this until AFTER the dog he shipped had already arrived at my home here in USA. When this other 2 lb female arrived I knew just by looking at her that she wasn't at all the dog that I sent money for. And once I got her home from Chicago I looked at the paperwork he sent to me. It was then and only then that I realized that this wasn't at all the dog that I bought. There was never any emails to the fact that Kormic Light had died. NOTHING! Just a strange dog arriving for me to pick-up that was supposed to be a completely different dog. I can't breed a 2lb 4 oz female. But Javier had told me that he was keeping that one for himself. Now what do you think, anyone think she'd never be bred beings he's a breeder? Just something to ponder. Javier can do what he wishes, I'm not hsi boss but I don't think I'd feel comfortable doing it. Just my opinion is all. Peggy

07-08-2009, 01:51 PM	#26
javier2905 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Saenz Peña ,Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 23	Sorry to all of you which you think the female which i sold to Peggy Rogers will stay in 2 lbs , but you wrong , this puppy according to the dam and sire sizes will be around 4 pounds full grow , that for me is normal Yorkie size , not 2 pounds like she say ,also i have her email when she receibed the puppy she say she is small and very fat , but of course she made many mistaques already so everything will be wrong with my puppy .

07-08-2009, 02:01 PM	#29
javier2905 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Saenz Peña ,Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 23	Hi Debra , I just can let you know which the female which i sent to this woman Peggy Rogers will be more beautifull than those dogs in my pics , because she will have the same coat , and her face is a dream , She is a daugther of Nuria of Blue Point and my New Show Prospect California Wild´s Emperador I ( you can see those dogs in my website ), but unfortunally this female is not in the right hands so for sure she never will have the same coat , and she will look just like a little ugly dog in Peggy´s hands .