hahahaha.....yes vet says that also. He tells puppy inquiries....if you pass her tests get on the list no matter how long it takes! LOL I love my vet. He also knows that every puppy I place will be spayed/neutered before leaving me.

You know, I looked at Ruth's website and even signed her guest book. i did not see these RED FLAGS people talk about. i see people on here every day hollering red flag, red flag when they don't have a clue as to the why's where's how's when's or anything else that goes into breeding and showing. most of the time it is because one or two people see something that isn't what THEY would like or what THEY would do but it isn't a red flag to those of us that know. I, one hundred ten percent agree with her on not letting people come to my house at least until I have checked them out or have a realtionship. That happened to me once and once was enough for me to change how I feel about it. if that makes me a bad breeder to some of you then so be it. I don't lack for buyers anyway and the people often on these threads aren't looking anyway so why do we all even care. What business is it of anyones except the buyer and the seller. The buyer asked a question, the seller finally came on and explained her position after she was attacked. She shouldn't have to defend herself to anyone. If you are a buyer and see what YOU think is a red flag, then just go on until you find one you like. People's opinions are like you know what and everyone has one. Do your own research and find a breeder you are comfortable with and don't go by what people say. Do what you think is right. in a thread like this, everyone that responds will have a different answer. Just in case any of you google earth me, I have a HUGE black barn on my farm. Doesn't mean I am a commercial breeder and my six little dogs certainly don't stay in the barn. i am just hurt that this happens almost every day.. Seems there is a RED FLAG patrol.

My vet usually calls me himself when he has someone in looking for a yorkie. I guesss he thinks it is an automatic "in" for the buyer. I tell him "sorry" just like I tell the others.

I'm sure there are many different reasons as to "why" people show, and I agree, with you that there should be a higher purpose, in breeding than just to produce pets. There are already lots of pets to be had. However, it's really important to me, that breeders aren't' just in it for the "prize" or "setting the word on fire", but truly care about the breed, and part of this means that they will finds suitable homes for the pups they produce, and have screened the potential pet owners very carefully and would not place a pup with a person that they didn't feel absolutely certain could provide a stable home, and was not a thief or murder. To me, many of you are saying, that your dogs who aren't show potential, are just castoffs, and where they go isn't important. I recommend that people only support the best breeder they can find, and I hope that quality of a breeder caring about where his pups are placed is not overlooked.

No one said that her site had any red flags, the only one who mentioned a red flag was me, and that is because she refused to allow the person to see where the dogs are being kept. Again, what do you mean by attacked? Are you suggesting that I attacked her?

I linked those pictures, not because it looked like a farm, but you cannot rule out commercial facility in a location such as that.

All that you said is true. Many factors go into being a breeder/exhibitor, but first and foremost is a passion for the breed and to improve it.....but, we forget that when we aren't speaking to those that have that same passion, we tend to forget we have to explain everything. But, then to me breeding that yorkie that will set the world on fire has to have everything that is in the standard and more.

Castoffs? Where in the world did this come from? I thought the whole point of the conversation was the "careful" placement of puppies! AND how "we" are so difficult to deal with. Really....if we had "castoffs" then the whole point would be mute. I can assure anyone that ANY puppy bred by me is not a castoff!!!!!

Oops! I missed the part about castoffs. Mmmmm in one breath your saying we're difficult to deal with because of our criteria and the next you stating that our pups are castoffs. You aren't reading what I said. My families are fully investigated and approved of prior to any breeding. And again, unless you've been an exhibitor breeder you don't understand that we are very lucky if we get one show potential out of every 3 litters. And if you knew the tears that are shed everytime a pup is placed, you wouldn't be saying that they're our castoffs. I see my pups on an average of once a month, since I offer free grooming and boarding to my pups, just so I can still see them.

no, the purpose of the thread was asking for opinions of Ruth. Somehow, threads always get sidetracked into the same area you talk about here..

Not sure you're reading my replies either. My point is that if a breeder doesn't trust someone enough to allow them to enter their home, they don't know them well enough, and should not consider selling them a dog yet. Wait till you know someone better, and develop some type of relationship. Only when you are convinced that they have some potential to be a good pet owner, and you feel comfortable with them, would you allow them to see your home.

oops you're right! I forgot.

I don't think my replies have been off topic. I was responding to this.

Please do not get us wrong - we love our babies very much -each and every one. We do not breed often. We care very deeply about our yorkies and spend many hours caring, reseaaching, learning: go to seminars, participate in deep discussions of the breed standard and health issues, asking for others expert evaluations of our dogs, fundraising for other dogs (example: police dogs safety shields and gadgets to keep AC running in police cars for police dogs/dog oxygen masks for our local firefighters, etc...), and give our babies lots of love and attention, not to mention a lot of money for care and testing on our yorkies. If we did not care so much - we would not spend our whole life into our yorkies. Our yorkies deserve it though. I do not know what I would have done when my hubby had his massive heart attack without my yorkies to give me so much love and devotion and gave me areason to get up each morning and continue my schedule during that time.

Hmmmm.. when people try to get directions to my home from one of those sites - it says my home is a mile down the road by this other road and many people turn off on that road and get lost. So they are not always right. I have a barn and a poolhouse too on my property- but my yorkies are in my home.

Last year I had one person come to my house to look at a pup - after research and references and she still ended up visiting a byb (that had a lot of yorkies!!) home just before she came into my home. I would not have know unless I had asked when she got to my home. I made her go back out and take off her shoes too. Then I had to mop my whole floors!! I did not let her hold my pups either and almost made her leave. I was so worried the whole time that she could have brought something into my house and to my yorkies. She should have known better! I thought I had educated her enough to know better. I also take off my shoes and change my clothes even when I come back from my vets and now also discenfect the car mats too. One cannot be so careful! I would die if any of my yorkies got sick. So just a word of warning. I wonder how many buyers go from one person's home to another when looking for a puppy??? :confused:

Not to worry!!!!!!!!!! Some arguements you just can't win and the longer you stay on here the more you will learn to pay attention to and who to put on your ignore list. That is a handy little feature. Sometimes I have to put people on mine for awhile to keep from saying things to them that will get me banned :)

Isn't that what I stated in 2 posts. Phone conversations, e-mails, interviews, lots of screening before they're allowed.