oh and another thought. if HSUS ever shows up at my door they will look down the long barrel of a shotgun and they will come back with a warrant if they expect to get into my house. i don't have anything to hide but those people and Peta are not welcome on my property or near my dogs.



This is a good post. If I were twenty years younger, I would be one of those with an outside kennel. i have dreams of how I would like it and it would cost about fifty thousand dollars. I would like puppy rooms, sire rooms, bitch rooms, viewing rooms, grooming room, bath room large rockers a microwave and fridge for me with a coffee pot for those long nights I would spend in my whelping room. concrete flooring, large runs for them and the list goes on. I have a farm but am just too old and I plan to stop breeding when i hit 65. i might show some then but I am done breeding.

I totally agree with you on this point, and actually, I have nothing against the term "commercial breeder" or even outside facilities for that matter, it's the conditions of those facilities. I often wonder how some breeders, who have several male dogs, allow the dogs full access to the house and never "kennel" them at all. How could you be sure, "Who's the daddy?" Or as some say, "Who's the baby daddy?" :D I don't think allowing your dog's full access to your house is necessarily the quality of a great breeder, although each of us is free to make up our own minds about those qualities. Joey loves his little kennel and chooses to go in it for a large part of the day.


Again, I hate to see PETA and HSUS linked, and I believe this is a tactic that the unethical commercial breeders use to scare off the smaller home breeder. PETA and the HSUS have extremely different views regarding the breeding of pets. PETA doesn't believe in any breeding. They don't put out a pamphlet on choosing a good breeder. The HSUS supports good breeders, and they say they do not ever get any dogs in shelters from good breeders, because good breeders will take those dogs back, and rehome them their selves. I hate to see all you good breeders against every animal welfare agency. Surely there's one you trust . . . . a little? I believe that large commercial breeding brokers such as the Hunt Corp are doing whatever they can to pass legislation that doesn't affect them, but hurts the home breeder, so you are wise to be cautious on any breeding legislation.

This breeder could be one of the best breeders ever, I have not offered an opinion on that, the only thing I object to is the idea that was first presented that the breeder doesn't allow any type of home inspection. I would think even those who didn't care about animal welfare, would want to see the puppy's parents in person. Remember too, that as more people become educated about buying from pet stores, large commercial breeders are turning to the Web, and anybody can put up a cute or professional looking website, this is not an indication of being a good or bad breeder, but too many people rely on the qualities of the website as reflecting the qualities of the breeder.

Just my out look on this whole topic so don't bother to flame me because you don't like what I'm going to say.
Like Ruth and so many others I don't allow anyone into my home that I don't know. I don't tell people that I have puppies available anymore because of how Peta and H$U$ are trying to make us all out to be these horrable people that don't care about out pets whether they be dogs, cats or horses. It doesn't matter to them, their goal is to make owning a pet illegal for any reason. H$U$ doesn't give two hoots in haidies what kind of facility animals are kept in. I could be someplace that has 24/7 on hands care givers and each animal having its own persoanal servant and they would still find a way to make it sould like the dogs are being abused. Why??? just so they can line thier pockets, do a google search of how much of the money donated to H$U$ is actually used to care for animals who are really being mistreated and abused, it's a joke.
Another thing some people don't realise is that H$U$ is NOT part of your local Humane Society nor do they have anything to do with them in general. So do I have any faith in H$U$??? H$@L NO...
I don't allow strangers into my home for several reasons and never until I feel totally comfortable with them after much questioning and alot of reference checks. I also encourage them to contact the references that I give them on myself as well as my vet.
If someone where to call in regards to one of my babies and ask the questions the OP asked regarding records kept etc... they would be asked why they need to know what my records contain and then told that it was none of thier business, WHICH IT ISN"T.
After I feel comfortable with the person I do allow a home visit to get to know the puppy and see the parents but, are they allowed free roam of my home? NO A CHANCE
Also once they are at my home they must take their shoes off at the door, are given a pair of pull overs like the surgeons use at hospitals and then made to wash any and all bare body parts with my disinfectant.
I have several friends who have been severly beaten after someone has been to thier home to see thier puppies and then they returned only to harm and steal. So yes I am overly careful about not only who gets a puppy I may occassionally have but about what I go thru before I even think about placing one of my puppies.
To the OP:
I would suggest if you don't feel comfortable with the answers you got then move on until you find a breeder who answers your questions the way you want them answered.
I would however talk to afew reputable breeders and find out what questions are appropiate to ask and what aren't, because some of the questions you ask'd Ruth are way beyond your right to know. JMHO and how I do things at my home.
Also if you go to my website you will see that I don't have it up and running trying to sell my babies but rather so that people can see them and the surroundings they are raised in (which is in my home). So I don't believe you need to have puppies availabe all the time to have a website up. I haven't updated my site in some time now but I will be soon. And you will not find any puppies for sale...

Hsus
 

If any of you think that HSUS doesn't want to eliminate breeding you are living in a dream world. Wayne Pacelle has publicly stated, "one generation and out", he has also stated that he has no problem with the concept of ending all breeding of companion animals. HSUS has on their website their politcal agenda and have sponsored bills in 22 states this year alone aimed at severely resricting the hobby breeder and once enacted, aim to tighten the noose until there is no more breeding.
HSUS is simply a vast political machine. They do not truly give two hoots in hell for animals. Read up on the La District Attorney trying to make them account for monies donated for animal rescue after Katrina. The executives at HSUS make enormous salaries and the rest goes for lobbying efforts for their anti breeding bills.
You need to do your homework and realize who the enemy really is and what is actually being done with your donations. If they have their way, pretty soon only the commercial breeders will be left. no more show dogs or Champion sired pets, home born and raised puppies and the next agenda after that is no pets at all. Where are your grandchildren going to get a dog from after we are legislated out of existence. Instead of policing the list looking for some drama to jump on, turn your considerable energy to fighting these onerous laws. FYI, I started out in rescue before I ever got my first show dog and still participate in rescue to this day. My energy, my heart, and my money is in my dogs. If I sound angry, then by now I am. As someone else said quite eloquently, if you do not like what you find at one breeder, move on. If I were to make judgements based on some of the posts on this thread, believe me, I would have quite a lot to say.

Sounds great, all but the concrete flooring, do worry about those lil legs. And I'd, have attached somehow to my house, also since I hope to move back to Texas, I'd figure on a storm cellar.

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oh, i guess that's right since concrete is hard on our legs too. i was thinking of something I could wash down with a water hose.

My studs do have compete access to my house and I've never had a mismating (and yes my boys are DNAd'), so AKC or anyone can run a check on my puppies and find this to be true. My hands are on my girls everyday and checked. Once they come in Season they are confined, not caged, but confined to a closed off room in the house. Once again if you haven't bred and don't know the inside and out of breeding, you are entitled to your opinion, but you don't have first hand experience, it's just an opinion. And our opinions should be based on first hand experiences.

Haven't completely figured that out yet. But, I do put down plastic underneath thick rubber matting. Cleaned daily and completely taken apart weekly and scrubbed.

Sooooo much of this thread is intimidating to some of us who just love our Yorkies. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I still learn something from it. But unsettling to say the least. On to what I want to ask. I'm continuing in this thread because I want to quote part of a post.

"Alot of my puppy buyers have been people that I have met at dog shows. Its nice to get to know someone that actually takes the time to look at a breed before they choose to buy one."

This sentence had me again revisiting AKC, YTCA, and YTCNC. I hate to say I can only see one show in my area for yorkies(not that I don't love to drive my mustang long distances). I would have to call in sick for to go to anyway. Could someone offer some info/imput on other types of show in which I could see Yorkies being shown and actually meet show breeders. I love my Krystal and really want a playmate for her. I want her to be happy, especially when I'm not around. I would like to see what other avenue I can go down to buy a wonderful example of the yorkshire terrier and to keep learning about my baby(she'll aways be my baby;)). If someone wants to lead me to another post or PM me with information on where to go I would appreciate it.

As I've said in another post. I hope that the breeders that are members here don't stop visiting and offering their expertise because of "tense" and "upsetting" posts. There are some of us not trying to offend, but just learn. I also think that some need to learn how to be more polite in the way they express themselves. (I would have said PC but I really hate that concept:()
:love:LOVE my little Yorkie!!!!!:love:Krystal:kiss2::kiss2:

I think most of the breeder posts have been pretty polite. It does wear thin after a while though. I certainly applaud you wanting to get a well bred pet. If you do not have access to shows, you might want to look into attending and maybe joining your local kennel club, toy dog club or yorkie club. The local clubs do not require that you show, you can be a supporter. You may also find that you meet people that you really enjoy and perhaps try obedience or rally which is open to spayed/neutered dogs. Lots of people that have no interest in showing in conformation do agility as well. Once you attend meetings, you will meet people in the breed and form some relationships that may serve you well in selecting your ideal breeder. Best of luck.

Same here, Mary. but the last sentence of your post has been my mantra on here for years. i think people who do not breed, don't really have a clue but they are entitled to their opinion. i wold like to see how fast their opinions changed when they sit up all night with a little one, praying and crying only to have it die in your hands. Then sit and hold that little body for ages before you can bear to lay it aside.

We have already lost some of the best breeders ever because of the breeder bashing that goes on here and it's always by people that might have a little 'book learnin" and not much else.

finding shows
 

I forgot....... You can go to Home Page, InfoDog -* The Dog Fancier's Complete Resource for information* AKC Dog Show Events, and Dog Products and Services and click on show information, then click on search by state. Click on your state to get a listing of every show there. Shows that are coded AB are all breed and usually have yorkies as well as other breeds. Shows that are specialties are coded S

Well, I don't believe you have to be a breeder to offer advice on how to find a good breeder. I have experience in selecting a breeder, and much of the advice I took was from the people I considered good breeders, right here on Yorkietalk. You have to read lots of threads to do this; I don't think there is just one thread that gives enough information. Now I share that advice with others, I don't see why I should be criticized or called clueless over and over, for doing that.


Do you have to be a doctor, to inform others on how to select a good one?