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chachi 06-20-2009 08:04 AM

There is no way I would purchase from a breeder who would do a home check on me but wouldnt let me see where the pups were raised and the sire and dam.

cj125 06-20-2009 08:22 AM

I realize that your website is new but there is no information on there.

You show one pedigree with no dam or sire listed - ???? That doesn't give me a good feeling at all.

Do you mind me asking what dams and sires you use? And what size are they?

Personally, if there isn't any verifiable information on the website and she's not allowing you to visit her home - I'd find another breeder. There are a lot of good breeders in TX.

hannahallen 06-20-2009 08:28 AM

I am constantly looking at this website: Yorkshire Terrier Club of America About The Club

Texas has some of the most breeders listed!

gabbriellew 06-20-2009 08:32 AM

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The most important thing for any puppy buyer is to be comfortable with the breeder. You should never do anything that you are not comfortable with. Always be sure that you buy from someone that is knowledgeable about their lines and any potential health issues. A good health guarantee is essential for the puppy and for you. I health test all of my puppies and furnish the results to the buyer along with my contract and guarantee which does not require the puppy to be returned in order for me to honor it. I will also refund up to the purchase price of the dog for vet care if the buyer choses to keep the dog, will take the dog back and refund the money or take the dog back and give the next available puppy. Buyer's choice.
It is sad that we live in times where breeders live in fear. I do allow people to come to my home after I have gotten to know them well and can feel safe myself.
Ruth

rayedelsol 06-20-2009 08:43 AM

Forgive me, I am not a breeder, but just someone putting my 2 cents in.

I wouldn't allow anyone into my home that isn't comfortable reciprocating the offer. I hope that you take that into account when looking at potential buyers, they may not want you in their home without knowing you first. I know you said that you would let them into your home after you know them, but I hope you offer them the same courtesy.

Pictures do nothing to calm the nerves of a buyer, because they are easily touched up or cleaned up just for the picture.

Please forgive if I seem rude. Just saying, I think this is a bad practice for a breeder.

Nancy1999 06-20-2009 08:49 AM

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I did some checking on breeder and her address, and this is what I found.

This picture shows street address of breeder.
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A close-up of the picture shows a building that concerns me. I'm not suggesting that this is a kennel, but wouldn't it be wise to check it out for yourself? From my experience, commercial breeders always act like they are a "small home breeder."

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gabbriellew 06-20-2009 08:53 AM

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Sorry, but that is not my address. I do not wish to fan any flames and certainly no one needs to buy from me. In any given year I have at most two puppies for sale. I hope that we can just end this thread now before any real nastiness occurs. I feel that the subject has been covered and I do not need to defend myself or my dogs any further.
Ruth

LilMissy 06-20-2009 09:22 AM

If you are afraid to allow people into your home, why not screen them first? Once you have decided they could be a potential buyer and good home for your puppy, then you can allow them to come and see your home and the puppy's parents. I know that for me, it is SO important to see how the puppies are socialized and the parents and surroundings before I commit to purchasing a pet that I will have for 15 yrs. It's a huge decision!

Sugar's Mom 06-20-2009 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MrsConner_07 (Post 2678804)
Well I spoke with Ruth the breeder at Mschif Yorkie Kennels she answered all my questions to my satisfaction but she told me she dosen't allow the general public to enter her home because of previous breeders mishaps robbery,assault,etc. What should I do to subsitute for the kennel visit.Keep in mind she wants to do a home visit on at my house.What to do?What to do?lol:eek::confused:

There are many breeders who will not allow you in their home. We had a case here in my county last year where a lady came to see my dogs for future puppy buying. I saw her mug shot in the paper a few weeks later where she and some friends had stolen another breeders yorkies. The yorkies were fortunately recovered. As far as what to do, I think it is good that she wants to do a home visit on you. have her bring the parents to you. Even if you go to her home you won't know for sure if she is showing you the correct parents. This is a case where you have to get to know each other and have a certain level of trust on both sides. I wish you well.

Mardelin 06-20-2009 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2679115)
I understand, but if you are not comfortable allowing people into your home, how on Earth could you feel comfortable selling them a puppy? You need to check out your buyers, and their references, before allowing them to see your puppies. A good breeder cares what homes her puppies go to.

To the OP, NEVER take someone's word for this; the Humane Society of the United States strongly suggests you check out breeders home, and kennel conditions. You need to see for yourself, how the dogs are kept, too many commercial breeders are turning to the web, and puppy brokers. We have to protect those dogs that are living in inhumane conditions, and this is one of the main ways the average person can do this. Ask yourself, would you allow your dog to go live with someone, who you wouldn't even allow in your home? Something's fishy.

I should also add the only way to really have any idea what your puppy will look like as an adult, is to look at the breeding adults, not just pictures of them.

More and more you'll find breeders are becoming more cautious. As for the HSUS, well I won't go there. Yes, you should check out breeders homes....see where puppies are kept. But, several meetings take place and conversations. I live in a gated community, but still have several people with me when I finally allow them to come visit puppies and not until puppies have has their first vaccinations. Visiters come into my home and aren't allowed to play or pick up puppies until they've sanitized their hands. As for the breeder requesting a visit to your home, when I'm contacted by a potential family that is the first question out of my mouth. If the answer is no, conversation is ended. We want to know where are puppies are going, living conditions, etc.

Nancy1999 06-20-2009 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gabbriellew (Post 2679176)
Sorry, but that is not my address. I do not wish to fan any flames and certainly no one needs to buy from me. In any given year I have at most two puppies for sale. I hope that we can just end this thread now before any real nastiness occurs. I feel that the subject has been covered and I do not need to defend myself or my dogs any further.
Ruth

I got the information from this site. Perhaps there is another MsChif Yorkshire Terriers, but it does link to your website.
Breeders.NET Search Results

Happyjack 06-20-2009 10:00 AM

I just wanted to say I am appalled at these posts about Ruth of MsChif Yorkies. I own one of her Championed sired puppies. He is the most beautiful AND healthy Yorkie I have ever owned. He is currently being shown and will become a champion himself. As to visiting a breeders home.....it is just too damn dangerous. Too many breeders have been robbed and/or killed because they allowed strangers to enter their home. Another problem is a breeder cannot determine if someone is REALLY an animal terrorist from peta or the humane society. Do a google search and you will find the news stories about both of these situations. Also visiting the home is no guarantee the dog is well-bred or healthy. I have friends who can attest to that fact. What is important is the breeders testing procedures, personal integreity, the health guarantee and the willingness to stand behind her dog for it's whole life. It's too bad the the poster of this thread has missed out on getting a really GREAT Yorkie.

Also I have friend who lives in the mid west who only a couple of weeks ago showed a Maltese puppy to a buyer. The "buyer" returned when she was not home...broke her door down and stole the puppy. The police were of no help! She used an online service to track the person.....found the puppy and turned him into the police. The police recovered her puppy and he is home safe. BUT why should we be exposed to this type of activity? Can anyone tell me why should a breeder give up all their privacy and put their life on the line to sell you a puppy.

gabbriellew 06-20-2009 10:05 AM

my last post on this thread.
 
Thank you Mary, I hope to see you at the Houston Specialty this year again. Also thank you to HappyJack, I can hardly wait until he really matures and is out there winning.
Ruth

Mardelin 06-20-2009 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2679242)
I got the information from this site. Perhaps there is another MsChif Yorkshire Terriers, but it does link to your website.
Breeders.NET Search Results

I know Ruth on a personal level, and she's not a BYBer, Puppy Miller, nor does she sell to Brokers. She's a fellow exhibitor/breeder, several YTCA members know her and have allowed her to own their dogs.

Ruth,

This is Mary/Mardelin Yorkies how are you doing?

mscat 06-20-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by gabbriellew (Post 2679093)
I am more than happy to be checked out. As I told the original poster, my reasons for no longer allowing anyone to come to my home is due to the fact that last year a yorkie breeder in Florida was murdered. A couple of show breeders that I know of personally have been brutally assaulted and dogs stolen. I also know of a rash of other breeders whose homes have been broken into and dogs stolen, most recently two weeks ago. I understand the desire to see where the dog came from, but I have a primary responsiblity to protect my dogs and my family. I am more than happy to give references and I apologize that I just haven't had time to do more with my website. I have very few puppies for sale as I do not breed very often and am extremely concerned that they have the best home possible. I have had buyers wait more than six months for a pup from me and I will not sell at all if I am not convinced that it is a good setting for the dog.
I do think that it is a very good thing to inquire as to other's experiences with a breeder but it may well be that with all the crazies out there, not to mention AR freaks, you will find that fewer and fewer of us will expose ourselves to that risk. If things keep up with all the legislation, you may not be able to buy from a small home breeder at all anymore. Only commercial breeders will be able to afford the increasingly onerous regulations and they are trying to eliminate puppies born in the house and raised in the house as it is.
Ruth

hi Ruth,
I understand why you would not want "strangers" coming to your home to look at your precious puppies. However, what I do not understand is why you can't have a family member, husband or male friend, and man , at your home when a person comes to your place to see the puppies???
There are ways you can protect yourself, abd still allow people in to see your puppies. A good breeder needs to be as honest and open as possible . I feel like it needs to work both ways.
I would not be too happy if the breeder wants to come for a home visit, but WIll not allow me to go to her house for a home visit, and see the parents of the puppies.
To me, it looks like the breeder has something to hide. as I said before safety needs to be number one importance , I totally agree with that. However, there our ways that you can be safe , w/o totally cutting off perspective buyers from seeing the parents.
I just brought home an 8 week old Shih Tzu a few days ago. I took my brother , son and nephew with me to the breeders house. The breeder had her husband, and adult son there with her. NO problems, no issues. I got to see the MOM of the littler, and asked the breeder a ton of questions.
Seeing pictures is not the same thing as going to the breeders home , and "seeing" the parents, where the puppies are beig raised and cared for, and talking face to face with a breeder.


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