I am glad to hear that someone else on here knows Ruth and can attest to her honesty and integrity. However, the caution you speak of that is so necessary for Breeder's to take, is also true for buyers. The door swings both ways. Every customer must take vital precautions before spending many dollars on such a long commitment. The members here were not attacking Ruth in any way. For all we know, she could be one of the best breeders around. We were simply advising the OP to be cautious. Too many of us have unfortunately been caught up in some form of scan. I know I have.
But again, thank you for your message. I am glad that you have a wonderful furbaby!

Won't be in Houston this year, would you believe I'm expecting 2 litters then. Am I crazy or what, but you can't outsmart mother nature. I will be at the Dallas Specialty in September.

No one is saying that she's a backyard breeder, and I understand lots of you do not like the HSUS. However, they are one of the few organizations that are cracking down on puppy millers without wanting to harm the small home breeder. I'm not even suggesting her dogs aren't wonderful. I'm saying that a caring breeder would never allow one of her offspring to go into someone's hands, who she wouldn't allow in the house. She needs to get to know her buyers, and if she isn't comfortable, having them in her home, she shouldn't sell to them. Would you sell a pup to someone you wouldn't have in your home? This makes no sense to me.


Wouldn't a commercial breeder use this same excuse? How is the puppy buyer to know the difference?

And some of the best breeders that aren't listed.

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That is right. Some members do not want to be listed and some peope are not members yet, even though they follow their rules. Best is word of moith recommendations.

P.S. I got to know Ruth since my dogs showed in TX.

home visits
 

Allow me to elaborate. Too many breeders have been robbed after buyers came to their home and then waited for them to leave. Too many breeders have been horribly beaten up and robbed. Too many breeders have been victimized by some AR fanatic that wants to end all breeding and turned them in on bogus animal charges. I clearly stated that after I am totally comfortable with someone, I will allow them to come to my home. I do not have any husband or big burly male to protect me and in any event that would not protect my dogs if I have to leave home to go to the grocery.
In any given year I may have one litter. The biggest year I have ever had was two puppies for sale and I do not even have anything for sure at this time and told the person that.
I only breed hoping for that one magic dog that will set the world on fire. This is a common goal among those of us that show. If I do not sell a puppy, it is of no concern to me as I am careful to keep my numbers small and any puppy born here is always loved and welcome here. The few people that have gotten a puppy from me are extended family and I love the updates on the puppies as they mature. I am only willing to sell to someone that I feel will provide at least as good a home as I do. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if I am not the right breeder for any particular person that is fine with me as well. I urge any puppy buyer to only buy from a breeder that they like and feel comfortable with and that will be there for them always.
Ruth

I'm very sorry if I offended you, I wouldn't allow just anyone in my home either, but this is a huge red flag, if a breeder doesn't allow it. I was responding to this post. She didn't add that eventually she would be allowed to see your house/kennels.


She asked for a substitution, for a kennel visit and I don't believe there is any substitution. I'm just so happy to read someone is really concerned about how these dogs are being raised, and willing to go to much more trouble than the average buyer, she sounds like she would be an excellent pet owner.


I want to add, that I have read of many accounts where buyers were scammed when they met at neutral places, such a mall or restaurant.

So, if one doesn't want to abide by our criteria so be it. A bit of a hardline attitude but, since we aren't about selling puppies.

I hope some of you breeders rethink your position on this, you are making it so easy for large commercial facilities and puppy mills to mislead the public, and say, "You can't visit the premises because we aren't in the business of "selling puppies". Furthermore, how many times have you breeders been mislead by other breeders? It takes many different people working together to end the puppy mill situation, and I'm so disappointed when I hear someone making it that much harder for the average consumer to get involved. I don't care if someone shows or is a member of the YTCA. Before they hand over a dog, they should trust the person enough to allow them into their home. No exceptions. While I consider myself an advocate of good breeding practices, first and foremost, I consider myself an advocate for the dogs, how they are being bred, and what kind of homes they are going to.

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I have been overly careful in the last few years. Just too many crack pots out there. I usually let people see my dogs only on the front porch now. I do not want, basically, strangers snooping in my house. The last people brought their children and when I invited them inside, the "children" ran willy nilly through my house and started jumping on my furniture. They got my dogs in such an up-roar that I told them to leave. Then you sit there afraid that they may call animal control on you. That happened to me once also. I had someone turn me in for animal cruelty because I wouldnt GIVE him a puppy. I invited the sheriff in and they looked all around my house and were very happy and found nothing wrong. You just dont know who is an animal rights nut or a thief. Two years ago a breeder/exhibitor showed a litter of Bulldogs to some people. They waited behind her house until she left to go to the store and stole her puppies. I try to get a "feel" for people when they call and I am very lucky that most have been wonderful people.
But I do understand the concerns of the OP and am glad to see they are doing their homework instead of buying the first puppy they see.

I'm not sure what Ruth's criteria is, however, I stated mine. But, as she stated and most breeder/exhibitors goals are to breed that next yorkie that will set the world on fire, not to breed to sell puppies. Selling is not our goal. Most of us have a waiting list for those puppies that don't have that extra quality we're looking for. Most of us don't advertise and our potential new families come to us by repeat buyers and word of mouth. So, the trust has been established and families have already been approved way before a breeding is completed.
I don't just allow anyone into my home without knowing their full intentions. There are multiple phone calls, e-mails exchanged, etc. And not before my pups are 8 weeks of age. My potential families have to meet all my qualifications, as I theirs.

With all the legislation that is being imposed most of us breeder exhibitors will not have the option of breeding much longer. The only breeders that will remain are the BYBers, Puppy Mills, Brokers and Pet stores. They're the only ones that will be able to pay the astronomical fees that will be imposed. And yes, HSUS and PETA are behind the new legislation that is in Sacramento that will do away with Breeder/Exhibitors in CAlifornia. And what happens in California goes the way of the rest of the country

"selling puppies"
 

"Selling puppies" is by far my least favorite task as a breeder. BUT I have come to realize that in order for me to continue to breed I MUST sell a puppy here and there. As Mary stated.....it is our rules harsh as they must seem to the uneducated. I no longer allow anyone to enter my home. I have a very nice set up outside on my deck with lots of nice furniture for the comfort of my "guests". Yes I consider visitors to be guests. If one is invited to be my guest then you have passed many tests before we ever get to the point that you are allowed to visit my residence. Making it easy for commerical facilities? Well so be it. My safety and the safety of my Yorkies comes first. I am sorry that so many cannot see the reasons for caution. If you desire a well bred puppy then one should find a breeder and get to KNOW that breeder. These interactions between buyer and breeder should be kept private at all costs. I feel this thread was not necessary. Yes it is buyer beware but bringing complaints to a public forum should not ever happen after one or two emails with a breeder. As long as this crap happens why would you expect us the change and open our doors to the public. A very good breeder has been raked over the coals today without the original poster ever making any attempt to "get to know her". It is a shame.

For the record I am known in the Yorkie world as one of the hardest breeders to get a puppy from...yet I have many many many happy puppy buyers....and many that have come back for second and third Yorkies. I guess I must be doing something right.

Now I understand and I dont blame you one bit..Please take care:):)

[QUOTE=Happyjack;2679364For the record I am known in the Yorkie world as one of the hardest breeders to get a puppy from...yet I have many many many happy puppy buyers....and many that have come back for second and third Yorkies. I guess I must be doing something right.[/QUOTE]

You too? My vet will often refer me to people that are wanting a yorkie and he always tells them, "You'll sooner find a cure for AIDS than get a puppy from her. She's tough, but if you pass her tests, you'll get a quality yorkie"