Ok Is It or Is It Not Safe

[postalmom1987]

Boy, threads like this do intimidate me somewhat. I have thought about what I want to do when I retire(still 10+years away) I've always thought that decorative painting would be all I need to do....until I got my Krystal. I have fallen so deeply in love with her, I would love to have a part of her in a puppy that she produced. One, I didn't pay for breeding rights. Two, she's so small now I don't think that she'll reach the 5 pound mark that I had mentally marked as a minimum for safety. Three, having to be retired to have the time to dedicate to raising puppies. It has been a reoccurring thought to breed Yorkies in my retired years. Who knows it may happen. I read on this forum every evening before going to bed. A couple of these threads seem almost vicious so I honestly don't post alot of questions. I haven't been a target, but I guess I'm too new and some of my questions have few answers.

Originally Posted by nlappegard

I agree with you completely but there is a big difference between a show dog and a tiny little pet. If you would want a show dog you need to go to the experts on show dogs these are high quality dogs that are bred to be show dogs they are bred for temperament quality and competition just think what it takes to be a show dog you travel going show to show on weekends doing the best of your ability to please not only your hander but the judge as well competing with other yorkies that where bred to do the same thing. Your owner and hander she has to have a realionship with the dog for him or her to perform for them this all takes time they have to be groomed just perfect to be shown and when there not being shown there coat has to be well taken care of this is an immense amount of work for both dog and Handler. I know this from exsperiene i was showing dogs for a while these people breed for the standard and to improve the breed for there show dogs. But this is not for everyone to be successful at showing dogs you need a mentor to help you through this. Some show breeders even have people that just breed for them and they choose the dogs they are going to show from these dogs. Being a breeder takes dedication time understanding knowledge it not just throwing 2 dogs together and breeding them it has a lot to do with genetics breeding the two dogs that will match up the best and qualities that will match up with each other. You have to be home all the time to be a breeder and willing to dedicate yourself to your dogs you need to be there by there side when they are having puppies giving them support especially new mothers that have never had puppies before to me when you are breeding dogs as far as size goes if you want to make a quality dog the 2 dogs your breeding need to be correctly matched up according to genetics and size i would never breed a 7-lb dog to a 3 pound dog to get more puppies that will be smaller this would not be correct if you have a 7-lb female she needs to be breeding a 5or 6-lb male to make a nice square dog if you have a 4-lb female she need to breed a 3 or 4 -lb male this i correct to make nice square dogs that are healthy when you breed tiny males to bigger females yes you get some smaller dogs and bigger litters but are those small dogs healthy no they are the runts of the litter the puppies that got the least amount of nutrition inside the mother when you breed according to size and get a healthy litter of 2 or 3 healthy little dogs this correct to me why make tiny yorkies if there not going to be healthy or square. As for flaws nothing is pefect in life people can have 4 healthy beautiful children then have a unfortunate child that is mongilion or lacking something it is the same with dogs you can get a genetic defect that arrises from 12 generations ago this is just the way it is i don't claim to be a show breeder but i do have tiny healthy puppies and i have been very successful in what i do i love my dogs they are my life and they all love me there not on cages they sleep with me and live with me and i dedicate my time to them completely theres not a day that goes by that everyone is not loved on petted combed and cared for in my house and it took me years of exsperience and knowledge to do this i also had a wondeful mentor who had been breeding dogs for 50 years to help me to me this is the key to all of this breeding pets to be carried around in purses dressed up in dresses and bows and being loved is ok to it just depends on how you do this.thats what important to me.

This response actually educated me in a few points of breeding. No matter what you decide size wise is right for you, Help( a mentor if available), a good vet, and dogs that represent the breed within the standard are a necessity. I often think Krystal might not be as square as she should be, but I haven't really seen many side pictures of right versus
wrong size/shape. But I know that I have plenty of reading and time to gain that knowledge. So I hope that breeders here won't be discouraged from posting with their knowledge. It is up to us readers to decide for ourselves, not for others, and not to judge. Opinions should always be welcome. It's a backbone of our society.

[cj125]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

I will do my best to not bash you but I do feel the need to speak up about some things here for my friend Natalie.
- First off if us breeders kept all our females that couldn't produce puppies for us we would be HOARDERS and not breeders. I commend Natalie for placing her in a loving home at little or No cost except shipping. This fact shows how much she loves her dogs imo.
- Secondly your comment about it showing she doesn't care is uncalled for imo. If she didn't care she would not have made it important for her to be spayed and given a loving home as her main concern.
- Thirdly you are entitled to your opinion as we all are, but when you say negative things about someone without clearly knowing the true facts that to me is being unnecessarily mean and rude.
- Fourthly Yes she breeds tinys but has been doing this for over 25 years and has small males that can safely allow her smaller girls to safely whelp their puppies. She also has tiny genetics behind them and has proven over time that there is a desire for people to own them smaller.
Just because people want them doesn't mean they need them. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. This is just an excuse Deb.

For example there are alot of people who have tinys from one breeder or another and desire to get a second yorkie. They go to Natalie to purchase one because they can get a tiny one small enough to safely play and keep their first smallone company. Natalie is very picky as to where her tiny yorkies go and she keeps them way longer then most breeders do so she can be 100% certain they are free of any health issues.
How does she keep them longer than most - 12 weeks is what they should be kept for regular weight Yorkies. Smaller ones should be kept even longer.

Yes I have a few smaller females myself but not as small as Natalie does. I generally have most of the standard sized females I use for breeding, however I have seen first hand how easily a 3 lb female bred to a 1 1/2 male can have puppies (I have 4 puppies whelped here in Calif with me now from one of Natalies tiny females)
I hope you take what I have said and consider being abit more polite with each other on here.

OMG - I can't believe I'm reading this!
I just came across this thread and I am horrified by this comment. I am so upset reading it that I am shaking. How can anyone think this is ok?

How can you expect not to be judged by your actions? That doesn't even make sense. We are all judged by what we do and say.


You can defend your right to breed these little ones all you want but the prices both of you are charging are directly related to their size - and you know it. Neither of you show your dogs or claim to have more than average vet bills for your girls delivering so why are you charging $5000.00 for a puppy? $$$$$$


To the OP - I think you'll find that the majority of members that have been here awhile will agree that breeding females under 5 pounds isn't recommended. I think if some of the long time breeders were to come on here they would also say that there are some exceptions - but that they look at the entire picture when breeding.


I really hope that people viewing or new members don't think this is ok. It just breaks my heart to think that someone would breed little ones of this size.


I think if people want an animal the size of a mouse - that they should go get a mouse!

And that's my opinion