The whole "parti" thing?

[4lilyorks]

Why does Mrs. Biewer have a different standard signed in Germany? If this is the way she wants to go why is she not changing the standard in Germany? Why is she ok with a two color head in America but not in Germany?

[Snow Yorkies]

If this is HER breed, Mrs Biewer is then admitting to the introduction of breeding more than one breed to achieve the Biewer Yorkshire ala Pom Pon?

The Biewer Terrier is the result of the constructive breeding of 3 or more breeds.

Per the BTCA website.

[4lilyorks]

Originally Posted by Pruett

By the way, when was that email sent? You have always been so good about posting an entire email and this was just a one liner. Thanks

As stated in my first post the email was sent yesterday, June 13th. I requested an official statement on the standard and that is what I was given. I am asking permission to post the whole email but I will not post unless I am given permission.

Also, can you tell me why you always need full proof on everything everyone else does but you never have to share your proof and everyone is just supposed to believe you. Why don't you show the email or proof that you have that Gunther ever sent anything to Jeff?

[yorkiekist]

It looks to me like there are several ideologies reguarding breeding and the history of the Biewer breed.
Since I am not a Biewer guru (yet) and I am kicking around the idea of showing this beautiful breed, I have a few questions.


1) Why does Ms. Biewer only endorse one club and not the others?

2) Why does one club have Ms. Biewers standard and the other is written by Miki breeders and why were they allowed to write the standard?

3) Since Ms. Biewer is the premier developer of this breed, why dont all of the clubs follow her standard and breeding practices?

4) Wouldnt it be better for the breed if the clubs could somehow reach an agreement and work together?

[AprilLove]

Originally Posted by 4lilyorks

Why does Mrs. Biewer have a different standard signed in Germany? If this is the way she wants to go why is she not changing the standard in Germany? Why is she ok with a two color head in America but not in Germany?

Great question!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

It looks to me like there are several ideologies reguarding breeding and the history of the Biewer breed.
Since I am not a Biewer guru (yet) and I am kicking around the idea of showing this beautiful breed, I have a few questions.


1) Why does Ms. Biewer only endorse one club and not the others?

2) Why does one club have Ms. Biewers standard and the other is written by Miki breeders and why were they allowed to write the standard?

3) Since Ms. Biewer is the premier developer of this breed, why dont all of the clubs follow her standard and breeding practices?

4) Wouldnt it be better for the breed if the clubs could somehow reach an agreement and work together?

Great questions!

[Pruett]

Nancy, it is not my opinion about what the other clubs believe, it is what THEY have clearly stated numerous times. The BBCA and the Sue's club both have said the Biewer is a Yorkhire Terrier with a recessive pie bald gene. If I have an opinion, I state it as such.

AprilLove, are you saying that they don't believe that the Biewer is a Yorkshire Terrier with a recessive piebald gene and nothing more? Are you saying that they have never said this?

First of all this is America, not Germany. What the Germans do is their business. I have seen first hand what they have done, and we are now trying to clean it up. Mrs. Biewer is not a member of any German club. She is also aware of what the German breeders have been doing.

All the clubs in Germany have differences of opinions also, so just who in Germany are you talking about Stacey. Why don't you give Gunter a call and see what his standard is? You may find out you don't know as much as you think you do.

As I said, you can do what you want.

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by 4lilyorks

As stated in my first post the email was sent yesterday, June 13th. I requested an official statement on the standard and that is what I was given. I am asking permission to post the whole email but I will not post unless I am given permission.

Also, can you tell me why you always need full proof on everything everyone else does but you never have to share your proof and everyone is just supposed to believe you. Why don't you show the email or proof that you have that Gunther ever sent anything to Jeff?

Oh brother, Stacey, are you saying that Gunter Knoben is a liar? What on Earth would he have to lie about? I posted the American standard that he signed and approved. Are you talking about the German Standard? Look closely at the kopf coloring.

And what have you ever ask me to prove?

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

It looks to me like there are several ideologies reguarding breeding and the history of the Biewer breed.
Since I am not a Biewer guru (yet) and I am kicking around the idea of showing this beautiful breed, I have a few questions.


1) Why does Ms. Biewer only endorse one club and not the others?

2) Why does one club have Ms. Biewers standard and the other is written by Miki breeders and why were they allowed to write the standard?

3) Since Ms. Biewer is the premier developer of this breed, why dont all of the clubs follow her standard and breeding practices?

4) Wouldnt it be better for the breed if the clubs could somehow reach an agreement and work together?

1) Why does Ms. Biewer only endorse one club and not the others?
She believes in what the BTCA is doing and doesn't see the need in having a bunch of different clubs.

2) Why does one club have Ms. Biewers standard and the other is written by Miki breeders and why were they allowed to write the standard?
Donna and Christine wrote that standard for the club that they belonged to at the time. It is the only club in Germany that uses it.

3) Since Ms. Biewer is the premier developer of this breed, why dont all of the clubs follow her standard and breeding practices?
I don't know how long you have been breeding, but do you remember when you first started breeding how you thought you knew everything and the longer you bred the more you realized you really didn't know much at all? I personally remember those days as though they were yesterday.
Well, I think this is a major problem here.

4) Wouldnt it be better for the breed if the clubs could somehow reach an agreement and work together?
I think so. I would love to sit down and talk to everyone.

[4lilyorks]

Originally Posted by Pruett

Oh brother, Stacey, are you saying that Gunter Knoben is a liar? What on Earth would he have to lie about? I posted the American standard that he signed and approved. Are you talking about the German Standard? Look closely at the kopf coloring.

I have never spoke with him, I have emailed and never received a response. So no I am not calling him a liar as he never told me personally that he sent something to Jeff. You are the one saying he sent it, I am asking you for proof that you know this. You asked for the full email as proof that IABCA said the statement I posted I am asking you for proof of what you said Gunter sent to Jeff.

As for the head coloring I can not read the standard as it is not clear enough to read. I know it says Yorkshire on it, I can read that part.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Pruett

1) Why does Ms. Biewer only endorse one club and not the others?
She believes in what the BTCA is doing and doesn't see the need in having a bunch of different clubs.

2) Why does one club have Ms. Biewers standard and the other is written by Miki breeders and why were they allowed to write the standard?
Donna and Christine wrote that standard for the club that they belonged to at the time. It is the only club in Germany that uses it.

3) Since Ms. Biewer is the premier developer of this breed, why dont all of the clubs follow her standard and breeding practices?
I don't know how long you have been breeding, but do you remember when you first started breeding how you thought you knew everything and the longer you bred the more you realized you really didn't know much at all? I personally remember those days as though they were yesterday.
Well, I think this is a major problem here.

4) Wouldnt it be better for the breed if the clubs could somehow reach an agreement and work together?
I think so. I would love to sit down and talk to everyone.

Thank you for your reply! Yes I remember when I started out. Boy, was I ignorant!! Glad those days are over, but I do enjoy learning more and more every day it seems. But its nothing like way back when!LOL


So are the basic differences in the clubs is that one thinks Biewers are pure Yorkie and the other says its a mix of a couple of breeds by the Mars test(I think)? And if that test is reliable, then why does one club believe the results and the other doesnt?


I am not trying to stir up trouble between you guys!LOL

[4lilyorks]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

And if that test is reliable, then why does one club believe the results and the other doesnt?

There are differences of opinion on if that test is reliable.

[Snow Yorkies]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

So are the basic differences in the clubs is that one thinks Biewers are pure Yorkie and the other says its a mix of a couple of breeds by the Mars test(I think)? And if that test is reliable, then why does one club believe the results and the other doesnt?

According to the pedigree history they are from a Yorkshire.

Now if I can get an answer to my question, then I would be able to give a better answer.

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

If this is HER breed, Mrs Biewer is then admitting to the introduction of breeding more than one breed to achieve the Biewer Yorkshire ala Pom Pon?
Per the BTCA website.

Two of the clubs posted their emails from Mars .. we are still waiting for a letter or email that validates that BTCA that there is more than one breed in the biewers. We have seen this written time after time, but no documentation that Mars is standing behind the BTCA's teaching. We have seen a graph...

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by 4lilyorks

I have never spoke with him, I have emailed and never received a response. So no I am not calling him a liar as he never told me personally that he sent something to Jeff. You are the one saying he sent it, I am asking you for proof that you know this. You asked for the full email as proof that IABCA said the statement I posted I am asking you for proof of what you said Gunter sent to Jeff.

As for the head coloring I can not read the standard as it is not clear enough to read. I know it says Yorkshire on it, I can read that part.

By the way, when was that email sent? You have always been so good about posting an entire email and this was just a one liner. Thanks

This is another reason there are so many problems, language barriers.
Above is what I said to Stacey, in NO WAY does it say PROVE to me that Jeff emailed you.

I simply asked when he sent it, because we have been trying to call him and thought he might have been out of town or something.

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Thank you for your reply! Yes I remember when I started out. Boy, was I ignorant!! Glad those days are over, but I do enjoy learning more and more every day it seems. But its nothing like way back when!LOL


So are the basic differences in the clubs is that one thinks Biewers are pure Yorkie and the other says its a mix of a couple of breeds by the Mars test(I think)? And if that test is reliable, then why does one club believe the results and the other doesnt?


I am not trying to stir up trouble between you guys!LOL

Your Welcome.
If you want to call some time I would love to talk to you about the Biewers.