The whole "parti" thing?

[AprilLove]

Originally Posted by sierrapups

What is the point you are trying prove? I thought that attacks on forum breeders were frowned upon. Why do you want to know the homes that these pets went to? Are you planning on contacting the owners? Just curious.

Oh please! lol, who did I attack? I asked a question based on a statement that Pruett made, and I don't understand why you are answering a question I asked her?

Please re-read my post, I never asked about the homes they are in and you are putting assumptions out there for people to interpret in a totally backwards way, which I am sure is your intention, isn't it?

I will repeat, I am concerned about the welfare of the pups produced, not interested in what home they may or may not be in, that is just a silly thing for you to say!

[AprilLove]

Originally Posted by sierrapups

As we have stated numerous times, the Mars tests that we are referring to have nothing to do with the general public. These are in depth studies with certified scientists.
If the Mars people were not reliable then the company would not be as healthy and profitable as it is and a leader in the world of pet health amongst other endeavors.

I disagree. But am curious what you describe to be their other endeavors?

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Please ladies, calm down!! We dont want any of you to get suspended! You are all so knowledgable about this new breed and to lose any of you it would be a big loss to Yt and those of us who would like to learn about the Biewer.
It seems sad to me that the separate clubs cant get along. Isnt it the goal of all the clubs to produce a healthy beautiful new breed. How will anyone be able to buy a Biewer or show a Biewer if all the clubs cant agree? What will eventually become of this new breed? Some will be shown AKC eventually and some wont qualify because of the club they are registered with? Kind of confusing for a newbie!

(I know, I get plenty riled up about the parti issue)

Isnt it the goal of all the clubs to produce a healthy beautiful new breed.
This is our main goal. What we develop now is what the Biewer will be forever. We are using the latest advancements in science to breeding healthier. We try to breed dogs with good structure, good bites and free of known genetic problems. There's a whole lot more to breeding than putting to cute dogs together and not every dog born should be sold with breeding rights.

How will anyone be able to buy a Biewer or show a Biewer if all the clubs cant agree?
People are going to have to study the clubs and see which one they believe is best representing the breed.

What will eventually become of this new breed?
It will become one of America's most wanted. The personalities are uniquely, "Biewer Terrier".

Some will be shown AKC eventually and some wont qualify because of the club they are registered with?
True

(I know, I get plenty riled up about the parti issue)
You and I both.

[yorkiekist]

I was hoping to hear from all the Biewer breeders from different clubs.

Do some clubs do the Mars test and others dont? Why or why not?

Do all the clubs do the health testing(liver shunts, patellas, etc) and make it mandatory to have effected dogs spayed/neutered and records kept for that line?

Do all the clubs have a goal to participate in AkC conformation in the future?

Why do some clubs believe the Biewer is a pure Yorkie and others believed the opposite?

Does the previous question have any bearing on why or why not get the Biewer Mars tested?

Is the use of the Mars test used as a tool to get AkC recognition?

How will the club that believes the Biewer is a pure yorkie ever get AKC recognition as a new breed when AkC requires the new breed to be made up of 3 different breeds of dogs?

[yorkiegirl2]

Ok… I’m still confused.
From what I’ve read about the Biewers they are a Parti Yorkie with a tail.
They were produced by 2 standard yorkies carrying the bald-pie gene.
What make these dogs any different then the Parti’s here in the USA ?
Other then the fact they go by a different names.
And one was started in the USA and the other was started in Germany.
Even Mrs Biewer said it was a Yorky with 3 colors.
Mrs. Biewer Answers Questions

Why are the Biewer breeders so up in arms about the Parti breeders when they are basically breeding the same dog, if both of these breeds came from
2 standard yorkies ?

And if AKC ever recognizes the Biewer for registration and showing how would it effect the Parti’s ?
Should the Parti’s also be recongnize as Biewers too ?

I will say one thing the Biewers sure have a lot of registries.
I think I counted about 15 between US and Germany.

If all these registries can’t agree on the standard and how to breed this dog,
I think it’s going to be a long hard road to ever be recognized by AKC.

[Snow Yorkies]

AKC has allowed variances in the past of other breeds. These breeds are registered as their own breed and they compete in the show ring to this day. It was AKC that established what a breed is by allowing this. Now AKC has changed the rules of allowing variances in, does that then change what a breed is? If so then why aren't breeds dismissed from AKC?

[sierrapups]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

AKC has allowed variances in the past of other breeds. These breeds are registered as their own breed and they compete in the show ring to this day. It was AKC that established what a breed is by allowing this. Now AKC has changed the rules of allowing variances in, does that then change what a breed is? If so then why aren't breeds dismissed from AKC?

Which breeds are you naming? Could you be more specific?

[Snow Yorkies]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Ok… I’m still confused.
From what I’ve read about the Biewers they are a Parti Yorkie with a tail.
They were produced by 2 standard yorkies carrying the bald-pie gene.
What make these dogs any different then the Parti’s here in the USA ?
Other then the fact they go by a different names.
And one was started in the USA and the other was started in Germany.
Even Mrs Biewer said it was a Yorky with 3 colors.
Mrs. Biewer Answers Questions

Why are the Biewer breeders so up in arms about the Parti breeders when they are basically breeding the same dog, if both of these breeds came from
2 standard yorkies ?

And if AKC ever recognizes the Biewer for registration and showing how would it effect the Parti’s ?
Should the Parti’s also be recongnize as Biewers too ?

I will say one thing the Biewers sure have a lot of registries.
I think I counted about 15 between US and Germany.

If all these registries can’t agree on the standard and how to breed this dog,
I think it’s going to be a long hard road to ever be recognized by AKC.

Actually there are somewhere in the number of 50 registries in Germany alone for the Biewers.

As far as I know 4 breed clubs in the US that are registering the Biewers, then some of the independant breeders that haven't joined a club using other american registries like CKC or going back to Germany.

Even Mrs Biewer said it was a Yorky with 3 colors.

This why I was asking the question of the BTCA. Since Mrs. Biewer is a club member then did she or didn't she introduce the other breeds that the BTCA has found in the Mars testing? I would like to know what is what as this is conflicting information for all of us.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

Actually there are somewhere in the number of 50 registries in Germany alone for the Biewers.

As far as I know 4 breed clubs in the US that are registering the Biewers, then some of the independant breeders that haven't joined a club using other american registries like CKC or going back to Germany.

This why I was asking the question of the BTCA. Since Mrs. Biewer is a club member then did she or didn't she introduce the other breeds that the BTCA has found in the Mars testing? I would like to know what is what as this is conflicting information for all of us.

I thought I read somewhere that it was the Streamglen Kennel where the parti gene came from as they also raised Shih-Tzu. I could just be mixing this up with all the parti threads. Just wondering.

[yorkiegirl2]

Mr. and Mrs. Biewer’s Yorkshire Terriers, that produced the black and white Yorkies, came from the Streamglen Kennels. There is some speculation, although not substantiated, that an accidental crossbreeding may have occurred in this kennel that did not show up until some generations later through Mr. Biewer’s dogs. They had 4 Yorkies from the Streamglen kennels, 2 of which produced the black and white colored dogs. In 1989 when Mr. Biewer signed the standard for the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom-Pon, it was that of a Yorkshire Terrier with the coloring being white-blue-gold.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Mr. and Mrs. Biewer’s Yorkshire Terriers, that produced the black and white Yorkies, came from the Streamglen Kennels. There is some speculation, although not substantiated, that an accidental crossbreeding may have occurred in this kennel that did not show up until some generations later through Mr. Biewer’s dogs. They had 4 Yorkies from the Streamglen kennels, 2 of which produced the black and white colored dogs. In 1989 when Mr. Biewer signed the standard for the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom-Pon, it was that of a Yorkshire Terrier with the coloring being white-blue-gold.

OK, then nobody really knows for sure if they are mixes or pure Yorkies. Is that the same history for all the Biewer clubs?

[yorkiegirl2]

I have no idea...But I wonder if the same happened with the Nikko kennel.
And what was mixed in ???

[Delightyorkies]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

Mr. and Mrs. Biewer’s Yorkshire Terriers, that produced the black and white Yorkies, came from the Streamglen Kennels. There is some speculation, although not substantiated, that an accidental crossbreeding may have occurred in this kennel that did not show up until some generations later through Mr. Biewer’s dogs. They had 4 Yorkies from the Streamglen kennels, 2 of which produced the black and white colored dogs. In 1989 when Mr. Biewer signed the standard for the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom-Pon, it was that of a Yorkshire Terrier with the coloring being white-blue-gold.

Could you please tell me where you got this information from??

[yorkiegirl2]

I pulled it from Dee site.
Biewer Terrier House of Wags Biewer History

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

I have no idea...But I wonder if the same happened with the Nikko kennel.
And what was mixed in ???

I know a few things about Nikko Kennels that I wont say here. What I do know is that in the 80's she would sell her champion sired puppies to anyone without any stipulations on breeding rights. Who knows what kind of "breeder" bought her puppies. She was always a very nice person and her show dogs were beautiful.