Anyone know about Still Kennels?
 

Okay, I have been reading about "GrannyPuppies" on the forums. I almost bought a puppy from that horrible lady. I ended up buying from David and Gloria Still in Purdy, MI. My experience was pretty much the same as the people who bought from Granny Puppies. I was wondering if anyone else has bought a pup from Gloria. What was your experience? Was my experience just an isolated event?

When I received "Lolo" She was dirty, greesy and sick. I rushed her to the vet. She had kennel cough and was throwing up. I did have her shipped via air plane but she was very ill.

Please let me know if any of you know anything about Still Kennels. I am wondering about the conditions there.

Still Kennels is on the USDA "puppy mill" list. Missouri has been nicknamed the Puppy Mill Capital of the US. It's buyer beware when buying a puppy from anyone in that state. :(

http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/ListA2006.pdf

Thank you for the feedback. I figured something was up. Loli was dirty, sick and just plane scared. She would hide from my husband and I for the first 2 weeks. I feel bad for supporting that place but I am so grateful for my baby. So, the state is aware os Still Kennels is there anything we can do?

USDA kennels are perfectly legal here in the US. :mad:

It is in Purdy, MO. I have been there and they keep their puppies in 2x2 cages and none of the adults will come to you unless you trap them. No socialization at all. They are an older couple and sure they just need the money but they don't need to be getting it by breeding dogs for sure.

To the poster that said beware of buying dogs from Missouri, you are dead wrong. There are lots of good breeders here, you just have to be careful no matter what state you are getting a puppy from.

Still Kennels
 

I didn't know they were on a list of puppy mills but I went there when looking for my first baby and that is exactly what my husband and I said about them when we left there. I wanted to load all those poor babies in my car and bring them home with me :( We had bought pomeranians in the past from a very reputable breeder in Nixa Mo. and knew that her kennel was always imaculate with lots of room for the babies to run and play as well as the parents. And the puppies and parents always as clean as the inside of a home so this was quite a shock for us to see how these babies were being raised. We saw the parents of the little yorkies she had and they were beautiful dogs but looked warn out from having so many litters back to back. I am glad your little one is doing ok now :animal36

I didn't say there weren't any good breeders in Missouri. There are five on the YTCA breeder referral list.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America About The Club

What I did say is that Missouri is known as the Puppymill Capital of the US which is true, like it or not. You have to be extra careful to screen any breeder form that state since there are more puppymills there than in any other state.

Puppy Mills - Missouri State Auditor reports

“Misery in Missouri� Highlights Puppy Mill Problem - Free-Press-Release.com

Missouri is the Puppy Mill Capital of the Midwest - Associated Content

And you are right. No matter where you get a puppy, you have to be very careful.

Still Kennels Missouri MY THUMBS UP!!!
 

Hi i got a beautiful little yorkie girl from Gloria and David Still. I got her December 5th. She weighs 3 lbs 2 ounces now and is 8 monthes old. I think they were GREAT!! I got a healthy puppy with all her shots, guarentee on her health for 1 year along with her knees. They flew her to Philadelphia airport in a crate with food and water. Along with medicine for stress and worms. Also all instructions on how to care for her and food for her to get her started. :)She is just perfect. I took her to the vet and said she is in great health. I called Gloria a few times for answers on different things and she was always VERY helpful. I would buy from them again in a heartbeat and I also recomend them to everyone that sees my babay and wants one. I have nothing but wonderful things to say about them:):animal36

You are from Seattle:).

May I ask, why would you buy a puppy online (read - -try to find some puppy mills/backyard breeders somewhere in Midwest which is puppy mill belt region (Missouri, etc), when you can find it locally? :rolleyes:

Please, read the topic

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/pac...a-state-3.html

Please, just be careful when you are looking for a yorkie pup in WA area. Unfortunately, many back yard breeders around. I used to communicate with show breeders from YTCA, and they told me that most of them from Olympic Peninsula, Snohomish. Also, there are a puppy mills in Snohomish, Tacoma, Sultan, Arlington, Marysville, etc.

The best choice is YTCA.org since most of show responsible breeders belong to a club.

Please, just be careful when you are looking for a yorkie puppy. Unfortunately, many back yard breeders and puppy mills in the US.

Before you chose a breeder please do your homework what responsible breeder is and its code of ethic. Just google "back yard breeder vs responsible breeder"

Below a few tips:

- reputable breeder will not sell yorkie earlier that 10 weeks. Run from a breeder who sell a pup at age less that 8 weeks. It is illegal to sell puppies younger that 8 weeks.
- reputable breeder will never ever sell puppies to a third party (broker/pet store)
- reputable breeder will try to avoid shipping and try to find a local buyer.
- reputable breeder must show at least one parent. If a breeder doesn't show the parents of puppy, this is huge RED FLAG of puppy mill.
- reputable breeder must give you a guarantee. And WITHOUT frase "no money back, only replacement a puppy". Too many sad stories when BYB sell sick puppies and no one pay a vet bills, even if pup died. Just think - do you really want to replace for another defective puppy from a BYB? Protect yorself - discuss about possible vet bills in a case of sick puppy.
- PLEASE READ STANDARD. (When I was looking for a pup, I was told that yorkie standard is 10-12 pounds). There are a few quality of yorkies (pet/show), and some breeders charge way too much money for a POOR BREED pup (fluffy coat, disproportional body, oversize, etc)
- NO such a thing as tea cup or whatever. Those word people love to use as marketing words. There is ONLY one standard: not exceed 7 pounds ! Period.
RUN from a breeder who breed too tiny yorkies less that 3 + pounds. Either run from a breeder who breed out of standard yorkies.
- Reputable breeder ALWAYS sells pet quality puppies with limited registration (spay/neuter)
- Reputable breeder must do genetic tests (for instance, luxating patellas). Those, who have any of genetic desease CANNOT be used for breeding. Run from a breeder who breed sick dog. ALWAYS ask for approval of genetic tests. Protect yorself. Luxating patella surgery is very expensive.
- Reputable breeder tries to find a best home for puppy and always will ask many questions.
- Reputable breeder does not breed more that one breed. Two are acceptable, more is definitely a puppy mill.
- Reputable breeder does not have puppies all the time and has a waiting list. According some definitions, if breeder has more that 3 litters in a year, it considers as a puppy mill.
- reputable breeder will not sell yorkie to a family with small children - yorkies are too fragile and not good match with small children.

Check references, call to AKC, etc. before you buy a puppy.

To review a references on particular breeder, go to

Wags & Wiggles Teacups User Reviews - Snohomish, WA 98290 - Citysearch

good luck

About online sales:

However, a dog is not a "product" and professionals agree that buying a dog online is irresponsible, dangerous and contributes to the problem known as, "puppy mills."

Puppy e-Mills Churn Out Sick Dogs, Big Profits


on top of that, so many yorkies for adoption right now in Seattle eria, because of recent puppy mill raid. Check those organizations:

Seattle Humane (please, note they do have yorkies, just don't advertise them online, they go fast)
Available Dogs | Seattle Humane Society

Welcome to The NOAH Animal Adoption and Spay/Neuter Center!

Saving Pets One at a Time (S.P.O.T.)

God luck :)

Still Kennels Missouri MY THUMBS UP!!!
 

Hi I spoke to Gloria for about 1 month before I purchased her and and got aquainted with her. She sold me my Chloe at 4 monthes old. I searched for quite a while before I got her about a year. I live in New Jersey. I was responding to a question someone posted about having a bad experiece with the kennel. I did not. They were quite friendly and even called to see how she was doing, also was very helpful with questions I had along with the great information she shipped to me. I just wanted that person to know that maybe her bad experience was an isolated case. Oh also I was a little leary of buying online because I did not know these people from adam, but as I said I w spoke to her reguarly for about a month before she shipped her to me

IMXO, no matter what experience you have if this kennel IS puppy mill. I am also very happy with my girl (who came directly from breeder), however after I found out who is my breeder (puppy mill), I would never ever advertise her as you're doing right now.
Puppy mills are horrible things, and supporting them is wrong idea.
It is good that your puppy is healthy (although it is still a pup, genetic problems will show up later;)), but please do not advertise those who are well known as puppy mill.
If Still kennel in puppymill database, it should tell you something. You wrote "maybe her bad experience was an isolated case" . If it was only one case... But they are in puppy mill database, that means they have maaaaany complains, and proved info that they ARE puppy mill.

wasnt someone in general discussions asking about this place?

I saw the pics of their puppies in that thread--omg disgusting!! The dogs look so sick. Its a crying shame.

The point is she is a puppy-miller and the more info you get out the better.
People need to get educated on this, please.
Hope you Lola is ok and doing well.:)

You obviously have not seen how that poor puppy had to live before you got her. I have been there that is where my puppy is from. Only reason we bought him was to get him out of that filthy place. I called and drove 3 hours and when I got there he was filthy feces hanging off of him and smelled terrible. I couldnt bare to leave him there. Then after I got him I sent for his papers. His sire and dam are BROTHER AND SISTER!!!! I would never buy from those people again. Those babies are kept in tiny cages with absolutely no bedding even in winter their entire life until sold. It was 14 degrees the day we went and yes there was a heater in the tiny SHED and it was not even on. It was freezing in there. So you may buy from them again but I will do all I can to make sure everyone on here and other websites knows it is a PUPPY MILL.:mad: They have 5 breeds of dogs all living in those conditions with 2 people in their 60's to take care of them. Now you tell me what kind of care they get??????

still kennels-my story
 

Ok I am really confused. Still Kennels sells to Petland pet store where everyone knows they get their dogs from puppymills and these suppliers have no idea what happens to their puppies once they leave nor do they know anything about the possible homes they get or if the person buying them from the pet store knows anything about their care.
If you watch the videos of these poor souls how they are raised and transported to these pet stores of course in transport they get sick and I would like to see the statistics of how many die enroute. You also said "taking care of that many dogs is alot of work and thier income. "
So which part of this scenario makes Still Kennels a wonderful and caring person not only earning a living off the backs of some little dogs but also churning out so many they are sold by the truckload?
Trust me, none of my dogs or puppies would ever be trucked to a pet store or anywhere else or flown anywhere or sold off a website.

This was a Canadian Broadcast a couple of weeks ago about How Not TO Buy A Puppy.
How Not to Buy a Puppy | CBC News: Marketplace

I dont know if you have ever been to this kennel but wonderful person or not, (and I am not saying she isn't) Doesnt change the fact that they have 5 breeds of dogs and many sires and dams and many many litters at a time. They sell to pet stores. and they practice inbreeding. My puppy to my horror was the product of breeding a brother and sister. If you read my past post on this thread you will see my experience.

By the way I find it very very odd that the only positive posts on this KENNEL come from people with only 1 or two other posts. I am going to look at my posts on this kennel and see if their other replys were to those. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

still kennels
 

:thumbup:I AM A HOBBY BREEDER. AND DO NOT BREED BROTHER AND SISTERS. BUT I DO BREED 4 DIFFERENT BREEDS OF DOGS. MY DOGS ARE INSIDE DOGS 3 OF MY GERMAN SHEPHERDS SLEEP ON MY BED. THEY HAVE FREE RUN OF THE HOUSE AND ARE BREED TO A.K.C. STANDERDS. iF YOU GOT TO KNOW GLORIA SHE REALLY IS A GOOD AND CARING PERSON. WHAT SHE IS DOING IS JUST TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING. PEOPLE THAT BUY FROM PET STORES ARE THE ONES SUPORTING THE PUPPY MILLS. AND NO I AM NOT GLORIA LIKE SOMEONE THOUGHT ON THE LAST POST. ALSO SHE IS NOT IN HER 60'S SHE IS 56. SHE MAY LOOK OLDER DUE TO A HARD LIFE. BELIEVE ME RAISING AND SELLING DOGS IS A FULL TIME JOB. AND YES SHE SELLS THEM TO A BROKER. SHE TRYS THE WEB SITE FIRST WHAT DOES NOT GET SOLD GO'S TO PETLAND BY BROKER. THE BROKER AND PETLAND ARE WHO REALLY MAKES THE MONEY OFF THE PUPS. iF YOUR DOG WAS SICK YOU SHOULD HAVE CALLED HER AND TOLD HER. SHE DOES GIVE YOU A 1 YEAR WARRENTY ON THE DOGS. AGAIN I DO NOT SURPORT THE MILLS. i DO SUPORT GLORIA. SHE IS A GOOD GOD FEARING WOMAN

i also consider myself a God fearing woman but I work for a living to support me and my dogs. I don't look to dogs to support me or even support themselves, that's my job to support us.
I would live in absolute shame if I even thought of using dog selling and breeding to make a living. There are many honest jobs out there but it requires hard work.

Everytime we post that some one is a BYB or a Puppy Miller have you noticed that someone just happens to join and post 1 or 2 times and defends that Puppy Miller and what terrible things they do to puppies! Then when they get everyone all heated up, They drop out?? These people are not God Fearing people, If they were they would cherish life and not allow dogs to be inbred and kept in horrible conditions. They would cherish the Breeds that they're breeding.In 10 years or so they will no longer be up to standard. They're going to ruin those breeds that have been around for centuries and all the hard work the Good Breeders have put into them will be for naught!! Their lifes work gone, Why?? Because these "God Fearing" people had to make a "Living" by destroying them!! We all know they;re Puppy Mills and they have alot of complaints about them. That's the evidence, good and hard and down on paper!! We will keep telling everyone to not buy from these people and people like them as well as Pet Stores and Puppy brokers until there are no more PUPPY MILLERS LEFT!! Because no living creature should be kept in a 2ft.x2ft. cage all their lives except the PMer's for punishment for what they have done to these poor, defenseless animals!! That's more than they deserve... Thanks for letting me vent and spend my two cents worth...:twocents: Blessings to all the poor dogs that have the unfortunate fate to fall into the hands of these despicable people!! :hands:

As for Gloria being a God fearing woman. I am a Christian and have been all my life but this woman and her children made horrible comments to me in emails when I tried to discuss this all with her like that I had to be a child of satan etc. That is not God fearing!!!!! I had just lost my father whom I cared for while he was ill to dementia. My husband bought me the puppy to try to bring me out of a bad state of depression and this is the responses I got from her and her grown children. And my husband had told them my circumstances. So if she is God fearing she needs to repent.:mad:

Stop!!!
 

Stop buying puppies for over the net, you always need to go to the puppy's home and see how they are raised and cared for. Any good breed will let you in there home and show you all their dogs. (not just puppies) It is a red flag when they want. And some time bad breeders that do not think they are doing anything wrong will let you come to their home, but then you can walk away. Don't buy and puppy thinking you are saving it, you are just help the bad breeder out. Just rule is see the kennel for your self!!! I am sorry you went though this but is it BBW.

First of all when we bought our puppy I had no idea about puppy mills he was our first other than our two Pomeranians in the past who we bought from a lady we knew well who raised them for show. So when I saw the conditions he was in I felt I was rescuing him. Second I love him to pieces and am not sorry I have him but since getting Laddy I found YT and became informed on puppymills etc. So now I will do my part as little as it may be to stop others from supporting this breeder and others like them. 3rd I did see the kennel. It was deplorable and the condition our puppy was in was also. I could not leave the little guy and if had had the resources would of brought them all home with me. But as I said I knew nothing about puppymills at the time and didnt think of anything except getting him away from those conditions.

I need to let all of you know that Still kennels is u.s.d.a. and has permit. she does get her kennels checked she only had a few volations cited to her. the cages are up to code. You can check all this online. to those of you that bought from her have that info on the papers the pet store gave it to you.It is also on public record.maybe you were rude to her there are always 2 side to every story. also her grown daughter is a breeder-due to the fact she has 3 kids and her husband lost his job. the ecnomy is bad right now and it is very hard to find jobs. Mo is all farms and land and it is the capital of puppy millling-that will not change. You should be more concerned with Lancaster Pa- the armish are really milling and the dogs are really abused.

Gloria
 

ONE MORE THING INLINE BREEDING ( BROTHER SISTER) sire AND DAUGHTER IS DONE TO BRING OUT THE BEST TRAITS IN THAT BLOODLINE. iT IS DONE BY ALOT OF CHAMPION SHOW DOGS. OUTLINE BREEDING ( 2 UNREALTED DOGS) IS ALSO DONE BUT ITS A POP SHOT IF YOU ARE GOING TO GET SHOWLINE DOGS. READ UP ON BREEDING AND INBREEDING IS EXCEPTED AND DONE.

Fyi
 

HelpingAnimals.com // Help An Animal // Factsheets // Puppy Mills: Dogs Abused for the Pet Trade

Inadequate Inspections
The USDA is supposed to monitor and inspect kennels to ensure that they are not violating the housing standards of the Animal Welfare Act, but kennel inspections are a low priority. In the U.S., there are more than 1,000 research facilities, more than 2,800 exhibitors, and 4,500 dealers that are supposed to be inspected each year.(19)
There are three APHIS sector offices with a total of approximately 70 veterinary inspectors who are supposed to inspect, unannounced, the various types of facilities covered by the AWA.(20)
This means that 70 inspectors have to cover more than 8,300 facilities nationwide.
Puppy mills are rarely monitored by state governments, and existing regulations vary from state to state. In Missouri, for instance, each of the 2,100 facilities is supposed to be inspected once a year, but there are only 12 inspectors employed to handle the task.(21) Even with an estimated 1,300 puppy mills in Wisconsin, inspections of breeder facilities that sell at least 50 dogs and cats are voluntary, and there is no funding for enforcement of these regulations.(22,23)


Puppy Mills - Missouri State Auditor reports

According to the audit, the Department of Agriculture is not meeting its statutory responsibility to inspect annually all of the licensed commercial pet breeders in Missouri. In 2006, the audit revealed that the department failed to inspect 40% of the known licensed commercial breeders. Approximately 1,100 commercial breeders were not inspected that year. This number does not reflect the many pet breeding facilities in Missouri that are unlicensed and currently evading proper registration.

Oh "only had a few violations cited"......are you kidding me??? Shouldn't it only take 1....???? 1 is bad enuff, but a FEW????? she obviously is only providing the most minimal care to her dogs.

Secondly, if her daughter is using these dogs as breeders for income because of financial hardship.....how can she afford the expensive vet care??? vaccinations??? quality dog food ???? adequate shelter ?????

How can anyone defend this?????

how on earth can someone defend a puppy mill:confused: That is sooooo pathetic. Dogs belong at the foot of your bed or lying close to a fireplace on a cold night COZY.....HEALTHY...HAPPY....FULL TUMMY with loving human interaction NOT caged, cold, sickly, hungry and neglected.

I was never rude to her and you know what you sound just like the DAUGHTER lol. Imagine that. And they claimed that the inbreeding was an accident. You dont breed dogs for 20 years and accidently breed a brother and sister. As far as jobs I live in Missouri and my husband and I both retired and my husband went right out and found another job. Jobs are available for those willing to work. These people raise these animals like livestock. I was crying when I talked to her I had just lost my father and their response was oh well we all lose family and you can either bring the dog back or live with the problems. I had had my puppy for over a month by then and loved him. This will be my last response to you because just looked over my emails from their daughter and I would bet money on it that this is herrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.:mad: Oh and btw how would you know what her cages are like you claim to have bought your puppies from petland in another state. Sounds fishier all the time. I think we have a troll here