Originally Posted by omichka (Post 2538976)

Before you chose a breeder please do your homework what responsible breeder is and its code of ethic. Just google "back yard breeder vs responsible breeder"

Below a few tips:

- reputable breeder will not sell yorkie earlier that 10 weeks. Run from a breeder who sell a pup at age less that 8 weeks. It is illegal to sell puppies younger that 8 weeks.
- reputable breeder will never ever sell puppies to a third party (broker/pet store)
- reputable breeder will try to avoid shipping and try to find a local buyer.
- reputable breeder must show at least one parent. If a breeder doesn't show the parents of puppy, this is huge RED FLAG of puppy mill.
- reputable breeder must give you a guarantee. And WITHOUT frase "no money back, only replacement a puppy". Too many sad stories when BYB sell sick puppies and no one pay a vet bills, even if pup died. Just think - do you really want to replace for another defective puppy from a BYB? Protect yorself - discuss about possible vet bills in a case of sick puppy.
- PLEASE READ STANDARD. (When I was looking for a pup, I was told that yorkie standard is 10-12 pounds). There are a few quality of yorkies (pet/show), and some breeders charge way too much money for a POOR BREED pup (fluffy coat, disproportional body, oversize, etc)
- NO such a thing as tea cup or whatever. Those word people love to use as marketing words. There is ONLY one standard: not exceed 7 pounds ! Period.
RUN from a breeder who breed too tiny yorkies less that 3 + pounds. Either run from a breeder who breed out of standard yorkies.
- Reputable breeder ALWAYS sells pet quality puppies with limited registration (spay/neuter)
- Reputable breeder must do genetic tests (for instance, luxating patellas). Those, who have any of genetic desease CANNOT be used for breeding. Run from a breeder who breed sick dog. ALWAYS ask for approval of genetic tests. Protect yorself. Luxating patella surgery is very expensive.
- Reputable breeder tries to find a best home for puppy and always will ask many questions.
- Reputable breeder does not breed more that one breed. Two are acceptable, more is definitely a puppy mill.
- Reputable breeder does not have puppies all the time and has a waiting list. According some definitions, if breeder has more that 3 litters in a year, it considers as a puppy mill.
- reputable breeder will not sell yorkie to a family with small children - yorkies are too fragile and not good match with small children.

Check references, call to AKC, etc. before you buy a puppy.



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Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 2562808)

I talked to her I had just lost my father and their response was oh well we all lose family and you can either bring the dog back or live with the problems

Originally Posted by WalnutHill (Post 2562947)

What you are talking about would happen in a perfect world where regular families could afford to buy a Yorkie from a top quality show breeder. The truth is, people want Yorkies, and they can't afford a good quality Yorkie, so they save up $400 and buy from a BYB or Mill online, thinking it's a reputable breeder that just has cheap puppies, and people are more than happy to do it.

Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 2563058)

ok here is something else to consider. I am a show breeder. When I sell a pet puppy I don't always ask a lot of money.
However, a potential pet buyer specifically looking for a cheap yorkie is a huge red flag for me.

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY (Post 2562619)

ONE MORE THING INLINE BREEDING ( BROTHER SISTER) sire AND DAUGHTER IS DONE TO BRING OUT THE BEST TRAITS IN THAT BLOODLINE. iT IS DONE BY ALOT OF CHAMPION SHOW DOGS. OUTLINE BREEDING ( 2 UNREALTED DOGS) IS ALSO DONE BUT ITS A POP SHOT IF YOU ARE GOING TO GET SHOWLINE DOGS. READ UP ON BREEDING AND INBREEDING IS EXCEPTED AND DONE.

Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 2563058)

ok here is something else to consider. I am a show breeder. When I sell a pet puppy I don't always ask a lot of money.
However, a potential pet buyer specifically looking for a cheap yorkie is a huge red flag for me. Why? Well, bets are that if something happens they are not going to be able to afford a Vet bill or don't want to pay a big Vet bill or want to surrender it because it ends up costing way more to own and care properly for one than what they paid buying one cheap.
I sold a pup about 7 years ago didn't ask a lot of money but felt very confident with the buyers and their dog ownership history. Two weeks after they got him he jumped off the side of a chair broke a front leg. My instincts were right, they had him properly vetted and leg fixed to the tune of $2000.

Originally Posted by zorrolinchen (Post 2563103)

:mad: NO. A BIG HUGE NO! It is right that breeders use inline breeding to look whats in the lines, not only for show potential - for genetic and health too. BUT NO RESPONSIBLE BREEDER breed brother and sister!!! Only father to daughter and mother to son but never brother/sister because the informed experienced and responsible breeder knows that a brother to sister litter brings too small pups with a great disposition for genetic issues! Because the genes are too much similarly!
And you can believe me I know what I´m saying - I have raised and shown persian cats for over 15 years.
So tell us here no nonsense about breeding!!!!!!!!!!

And a inbreeding is not done permanently from the responsible breeder, he makes this only once or twice and then he use an outcrossing!

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY (Post 2563100)

HEY WALNUT HILS BREEDER. YOU SOUND LIKE A PUPPY MILL-JUST WENT ON YOUR SITE. YOU BRRED DOGS SO YOU CAN STAY AT HOME,JUST LIKE GLORIAS DAUGHTER. YOUR DOGS ARE ACA REG MOST PUPPY MILLS USE THAT REGESTERY. BECAUSE AKC ONLY LETS THE MALE STUD OUT 6 LITTERS IN HIS LIFE TIME OR 3 IN ONE YEAR. YOU ALSO DO NOT SHOW ON YOU WEBSITE THE ADULT BREEDER DOGS YOU HAVE. HMMM...........SEEMS FISHY TO ME:thumbdown

Originally Posted by msjagg (Post 2562086)

Everytime we post that some one is a BYB or a Puppy Miller have you noticed that someone just happens to join and post 1 or 2 times and defends that Puppy Miller and what terrible things they do to puppies! Then when they get everyone all heated up, They drop out?? These people are not God Fearing people, If they were they would cherish life and not allow dogs to be inbred and kept in horrible conditions. They would cherish the Breeds that they're breeding.In 10 years or so they will no longer be up to standard. They're going to ruin those breeds that have been around for centuries and all the hard work the Good Breeders have put into them will be for naught!! Their lifes work gone, Why?? Because these "God Fearing" people had to make a "Living" by destroying them!! We all know they;re Puppy Mills and they have alot of complaints about them. That's the evidence, good and hard and down on paper!! We will keep telling everyone to not buy from these people and people like them as well as Pet Stores and Puppy brokers until there are no more PUPPY MILLERS LEFT!! Because no living creature should be kept in a 2ft.x2ft. cage all their lives except the PMer's for punishment for what they have done to these poor, defenseless animals!! That's more than they deserve... Thanks for letting me vent and spend my two cents worth...:twocents: Blessings to all the poor dogs that have the unfortunate fate to fall into the hands of these despicable people!! :hands:

Originally Posted by zorrolinchen (Post 2563103)

:mad: - I have raised and shown persian cats for over 15 years.
So tell us here no nonsense about breeding!!!!!!!!!!

And an inbreeding is not done permanently from the responsible breeder, he makes this only once or twice and then he use an outcrossing!

Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 2563112)

:thumbup: Thank you!!!!This is exactly what I told the Stills when I called after getting Laddy's Pedigree and why I was so upset over being mislead. And I care enough about him I would never ever put him back in the care of such careless people.

Originally Posted by zorrolinchen (Post 2563142)

I´m glad that you love your puppy so much.
I´m a quiet and friendly person but when I read such a nonsense about breeding from a person who thinks she must attack other Breeders (like WalnutHill) I will be very angry:mad:. Every breeder who takes care of his dogs and feels responsible for them knows that this is absolutely stupid!

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY (Post 2563129)

REALLY i LOVE PERSIANS WHEN DO THE FEMALES HAVE THEIR FIRST HEAT? ARE THEY LATER THAN DOMESTIC CATS? NO i DO NOT HAVE CATS AND DO NOT BREED THEM . I JUST LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT PERSIANS THANKS:D

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY (Post 2563183)

THANK YOU FOR THAT INFO. NO I AM NOT BREEDING PERIANS-BUT I THINK THEY ARE ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CATS EVER. YES I DO TAKE CARE OF ALL MY DOGS. LIKE I SAID 3 OF MY BIG GERMAN SHEPHERDS SLEEP WITH AND MY HUSBAND IN OUR QUEEN SIZE BED LOL. MY 2 YORKIES ARE IN SIDE DOGS AND SLEEP WITH MY SON. I REALLY DO LOVE DOGS THEY EAT BETTER THAN US-TASTE OF THE WILD. THE ONLY TIME ONE OF MY YORKIE(MY FEMALE) GOES IN HER CRATE IS WHEN WE GO OUT. THE VET SAID SHE HAS ANXIETYS AND IF SHE IS LOSE WITHOUT US SHE WILL CHEW THINGS AND WE ARE SO AFRAID OF WIRE OR A SMOMACH OBSTRUTION(BAD SPELLING) SO I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE OR FIGHT. i WAS JUST STATING THAT AS A PERSON I LIKE GLORIA.

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY (Post 2563003)

SO WHAT DID YOU WANT FROM HER-SHE OFFERED TO TAKE YOUR DOG BACK-THAT IS ALL SHE COULD DO FOR YOU AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A FAIR DEAL TO ME. wHEN i TOLD HER ABOUT MY LOSS AT PETLAND I DID NOT ASK HER FOR ANYTHING AND SHE DID NOT OFFER ANOTHER PUP.WHEN YOU BREED DOGS THERE ARE ALWAYS LOSSES THATS LIFE. IF IT WAS NOT FOR "BACKYARD BREEDERS OR PUPPY MILLS' WHERE DO THINK YOU COULD GET YOUR CUTE LITTLE PUPS FROM? THE DOG FAIRY. ALSO i AM NOT A TROLL-JUST A FRIEND OF gLORIA.

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY (Post 2563261)

The 2 chihuahua sleep on the couch-one is 14 and set in his ways (likes the couch) and my morkies also sleep in the family room. We have alot of eagles and hawks-these are small breed dogs and go out side to do their poo and pee on the sceened in pool;area. I also live in a gated area and cages-not that i would do that.is not allowed. So what is your point?

Originally Posted by bailey12 (Post 2563662)

I always find it interesting the moment these things come up all of a sudden they're a "God fearing Christian", as if that automatically gives them credibility or a pass. Sorry, just as in all things, some Christians are wonderful, caring, ethical people, and some truly are not. It isn't about what or who you proclaim to be that tells the story. How we walk and live says it all, regardless of faith. Juliet

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200 (Post 2563669)

I agree 100%!

Take a look at Still Kennel's home page, and tell me a "God fearing Christian" would make a living running a puppy mill and house their dogs in sheds!

Still Kennel Purebred Puppies for Sale

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY (Post 2564231)

I am getting 2 cavilaiers from her in 7 weeks. I will let you know how they are health wise. As for the sheds(which are indoor and outdoor runs) that is where they are kept. Agian legal up to code. She has the picture on her site so she is not trying to hide anything-which means she is not doing anything wrong. The puupy that i had was not bought from her-it was brred by her. The broker buys them and transports them from many other puppy mills. So the pup most likely got it that way. Petland is one of the worst offenders. By the way i never got my money back from petland. The manager said i killed the dog. I had an autopsy done and the cause was provo. Any ways thats all for now-have a great day:d