Parti confussion?????

[sierrapups]

[QUOTE=JeanieK;2446313]Pruett had made that statement, (apparently not too nicely) in t he post that was deleted. I specified that in the post. although since she is not around to defend herself, maybe someone else will explain.



which registries they are registered in (and you can't just make up your own registry). I am referring to the all breed registries such as the AKC and the CKC.




I just went back over the post that was deleted and there is absolutely NO mention of registries. Please go back over the post in your inbox.

If you do a little more research you will see that all of the Biewer clubs have their own registries which is very important and a neccessity in order to keep your records and stud books.

[QuickSilver]

And to reply to my own post...

It's my understanding about a dozen genes have been identified that control eye color in humans. It's very rare for a physical trait to have just ONE controlling gene, though it is possible. It seems to me that coloring in dogs is too varied to be controlled by just one gene.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

And to reply to my own post...

It's my understanding about a dozen genes have been identified that control eye color in humans. It's very rare for a physical trait to have just ONE controlling gene, though it is possible. It seems to me that coloring in dogs is too varied to be controlled by just one gene.

I thought the genes concerning the eye included such things as depth of color or amount of color, besides the actual color. In other words, two people could have the BB gene for blue eyes, but on one it, would be a much darker blue and another could have a pale pale blue. Lighter colors again, are always recessive. Are you sure the other genes aren't referring to other traits of the eyes such as shape etc? I haven't read any recent research, but would love any links you could send me.

The reason I thought there was only one gene responsible for the parti color are the statistics given when two parti carriers mate. They say that there is a one in 4 chance, so this would mean one gene is involved, and each parent has to give one recessive trait to the offspring for the results to be seen. If more then one gene were involved the changes of having a parti, would be greatly reduced. In the case where both parents are Parti's and actually displaying the trait, there is 100 percent chance of the trait being displayed in the offspring, this again indicates only one gene is responsible for the results.

[Delightyorkies]

There is" Not ONE"Yorkshire Terrier club in Germany ,that recognize the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier as a Yorkshire Terrier and this after 25 years in the country of it's origin.The VDH to this day will ban any Yorkshire Terrier Breeder from registering with them, if they also are breeding Biewer Yorkshire Terriers a la pom pon.Nobody has ever fought to get the Biewer recognized as a Yorkshire Terrier in Germany.You call them ,and they will tell you the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom pon is a Mischling (mixed Breed).Dagmar took over an existing Yorkshire terrier club and started the IBC.The IBC is run by one person and has no backing from any other Yorkie club.Independent all Breed registries started in later years, to register the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom pon also.If you truly believe that the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon ,that was bred by Mr. and Mrs. Biewer, is the same thing ,that has been send over here in the last 6 years ,you are sadly mistaken.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by sierrapups

Please don't try and turn this into another argument. I didn't think I was knocking her dog. I was asking her a legitimate question. From her avatar it seems to me that there is a lot of white in her dog. I hope we are looking at the same dog.
I think that it would be very interesting to see what the Mars tests show on the Parti yorkies.

The spotting gene for the parti is different than the Biewer. Most of the partis have a lot of white on them.. the one you are referring to has the black clear to the back where you cannot see it in the picture.

I see no need to do the mars testing because they are from a line that was extensively DNA'd, by the AKC, as far back as they could go and were satisfied that they were yorkies. I trust the breeder that I bought them from. I see no point in trying to prove something that all the involved parties already agree on.

The mars testing is not designed to determine purebred dogs, by their own admission, and I believe that the testing is too new to put too much faith in.

[sierrapups]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

The spotting gene for the parti is different than the Biewer. Most of the partis have a lot of white on them.. the one you are referring to has the black clear to the back where you cannot see it in the picture.

I see no need to do the mars testing because they are from a line that was extensively DNA'd, by the AKC, as far back as they could go and were satisfied that they were yorkies. I trust the breeder that I bought them from. I see no point in trying to prove something that all the involved parties already agree on.

The mars testing is not designed to determine purebred dogs, by their own admission, and I believe that the testing is too new to put too much faith in.

I am glad that you trust your breeder. Do you know how far back they could go on testing the lines? Is it true that the AKC does not require that both parents be DNA tested?
With BTRA registry both parents are required to be DNA tested in order to register the litters.
Funny about what you say that Mars says since the BTCA submitted only one AKC registered yorkie to be tested, it came back as a purebred yorkie in the yorkie cluster and not amongst the Biewers. Hmmmmm

[Delightyorkies]

Jeanie K,
If Mars, per your statement, can not detect a purebred,why would we believe that Susan Williams tested Biewer is a pure Yorkie????

[JeanieK]

[quote=sierrapups;2446365]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Pruett had made that statement, (apparently not too nicely) in t he post that was deleted. I specified that in the post. although since she is not around to defend herself, maybe someone else will explain.



which registries they are registered in (and you can't just make up your own registry). I am referring to the all breed registries such as the AKC and the CKC.




I just went back over the post that was deleted and there is absolutely NO mention of registries. Please go back over the post in your inbox.

If you do a little more research you will see that all of the Biewer clubs have their own registries which is very important and a neccessity in order to keep your records and stud books.

OK educate me. How can you see deleted posts in your inbox, and where is your inbox?

I am not talking about the breed club registries, I am talking about the all breed registries like the AKC. I know they are not registered with the AKC, but like the CKC or the various other smaller all breed registries.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by sierrapups

I am glad that you trust your breeder. Do you know how far back they could go on testing the lines? Is it true that the AKC does not require that both parents be DNA tested?
With BTRA registry both parents are required to be DNA tested in order to register the litters.
Funny about what you say that Mars says since the BTCA submitted only one AKC registered yorkie to be tested, it came back as a purebred yorkie in the yorkie cluster and not amongst the Biewers. Hmmmmm

This is copied and pasted directly from the Mars veterinary Website.


Why can't this test detect purebreds? Is Mars Veterinary worried about lawsuits?
The WISDOM Panel™ MX test was designed to determine the breed makeup of mixed-breed dogs. Its development involved the analyses of more than 19 million DNA markers from more than 13,000 purebred and mixed-breed dogs to best tell breeds in a mixed-breed dog apart.

In order to determine if a dog is a purebred, Mars Veterinary would ideally need DNA samples that cover all family lines for each breed of purebred dog. But since their focus was the development of a test capable of accurately determining the breeds in a mixed-breed dog, they did not focus on collecting such a catalogue of purebred dog DNA samples.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

OK educate me. How can you see deleted posts in your inbox, and where is your inbox?

I am not talking about the breed club registries, I am talking about the all breed registries like the AKC. I know they are not registered with the AKC, but like the CKC or the various other smaller all breed registries.

Many people chose to subscribe to threads, and have the threads sent to their e-mail address or "inbox". You then can read even deleted messages. To do this you go to "user CP" then "Edit options" and choose "instant e-mail notification." However, only those new posts will be sent to you, not any old posts that have already been deleted.

For the second part of your question, I think when attempting to start a new breed there are only breed club registries, and for Biewers there are three in United States at this time, and one in Canada. In the US, there is the BTCA, the BBCA, and the BYTCA, and in Canada it's the BBCC. I hope this is right.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Delightyorkies

Jeanie K,
If Mars, per your statement, can not detect a purebred,why would we believe that Susan Williams tested Biewer is a pure Yorkie????

I have no idea. I'm just telling you what it says on their website.

And none of it really matters to me since all parties concerned, the breeder, me, and the KC, all agree that the parti colored yorkies are purebred yorkshire terriers.

If it matters to someone else, then let then test theirs.

Can you imagine the pandoras box that would be opened if every existing Champion show dog was required to be tested.

If they want to extablish this pratice in the future that is fine. but sometimes it is best to let sleeping dogs lie, or there might be a lot of expert judges standing around with egg on their face.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Many people chose to subscribe to threads, and have the threads sent to their e-mail address or "inbox". You then can read even deleted messages. To do this you go to "user CP" then "Edit options" and choose "instant e-mail notification." However, only those new posts will be sent to you, not any old posts that have already been deleted.

For the second part of your question, I think when attempting to start a new breed there are only breed club registries, and for Biewers there are three in United States at this time, and one in Canada. In the US, there is the BTCA, the BBCA, and the BYTCA, and in Canada it's the BBCC. I hope this is right.

Yes but these dogs have to be registered initially with an all breed regisrty. Maybe their offspring can just be registered with the breed club until the breed is established. But the founding dogs had to be registered with an all breed registry.

So I am asking, what are they registered as?

So do you care to share wsith us what Pruett said in her deleted post. I did not see it. I was told that she said she did not like to repeat herself, and that they were registered as Biewer yorkshire terriers. that is all I know.

[Delightyorkies]

BTRA is going into the 4 th Generation of DNA ed and Mars tested Biewer Terriers .Why on earth, would we want to register our dogs with something like CKC ,that requires a picture and some money to register.I have not seen a Yorkiebreeder that registers with CKC unless they lost their AKC privilege or is registering limited marked AKC puppies for breeding.

[QuickSilver]

JeanieK, thank you for the info on genes. What you say would indicate that parti coloring is controlled by one gene, so there you go, I learned something.

To be honest, the eye color thing was something I learned in biology long ago, so I am not up to date on the latest research. I do believe it was just eye color, though. For instance (based on this long ago biology class), I learned that many Celts have a dominant blue-eyed gene, which is clearly not the case in most ethnicities. Off topic and not backed up, but I thought it was interesting. Anyhoo, thanks again.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Yes but these dogs have to be registered initially with an all breed regisrty. Maybe their offspring can just be registered with the breed club until the breed is established. But the founding dogs had to be registered with an all breed registry.

So I am asking, what are they registered as?

So do you care to share wsith us what Pruett said in her deleted post. I did not see it. I was told that she said she did not like to repeat herself, and that they were registered as Biewer yorkshire terriers. that is all I know.

Sorry, I quit subscribing to threads a while back; my inbox was too loaded. I thought she said that her group used the term Biewer Terrier as in the BTCA.