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08-27-2005, 01:28 AM | #1 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chico,California
Posts: 597
| longest night pigglett is in the hospital she welped early and wouldnt dialate I had her fixed durring the C section she is just so small first off if anyone knows of a breeder in Northern CA or Southern Or. that may have some Clostrum i could steal please email me piggletts ok and three of her puppies are great one had to be put down i will be selling the puppies on a limited registration. how do you feel about holding papers back untill proof of spay/nut ? |
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08-27-2005, 03:38 AM | #3 | |
YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North wilkesboro, NC
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Congrats on the puppies I'm glad all are well. Sorry I wish I could help you out. I'm so sorry about the one pup that did not make it. How small is piglett? I think you will not have any problem selling the puppies on limited registration. It's is totally up to you. I've notice lots of breeders that do that. I think the majority of the people don't want to breed anyway. If piglett is very small chances are her babies will be too and that could affect the puppies babies if they were to have them. | |
08-27-2005, 04:48 AM | #4 |
YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 2,484
| Definitely hold papers until you recieve spay/neuter cert. Pet adopters have no problem with this, good luck with pups, and best wishes for mom's recovery. |
08-27-2005, 12:16 PM | #5 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chico,California
Posts: 597
| piglet is tiny well piglet is home with a tummy tuck ... I want one lol piglet weight runs between 3.4 and 3.6 she blew up to 6lbs before welping and her sonogram showed 4 babies so we didnt plan a c section i have to feed the kids now so i doubt i will be online as much anyone want to take a night feed shift lol |
08-28-2005, 06:17 AM | #6 |
Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida
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| I do agree with that, but there is a flaw. Even though you will hold back the papers, it doesn't mean that the owner won't breed them. Papers or no papers, they can still be bred. It just means they can't get the litters registered, But even with the limited registation papers they wouldn't be able to register a litter anyway. Does this make any sense!! It does to me, but once I reread it, it seemed confusing!
__________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom Rest in Peace <3 |
08-28-2005, 08:03 AM | #7 |
YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 2,484
| You are right Karen there is a flaw and the only way to completely prevent unscrupulous people from breeding the dogs is to spay/neuter before they leave. This is not a great option since it requires keeping pups well past the stage when they should be bonding with their new families. Screening potential adoptees to the best of our ability and holding the papers until receiving certification is our best way of controlling unethical breeding, but still does involve a degree of trust. |
08-28-2005, 08:23 AM | #8 |
Donating YT 14K Club Member | I know that vets sell a powdered milk that has colustrum in it. Is she not producing milk? Small females are just too risky to breed. I hope that she recovers well. If you are doing a spay/neut contract, keep the AKC papers until you receive proof that this has been done.
__________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley |
08-30-2005, 08:58 PM | #9 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005
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| Oh I wish I could help, I am in Central CA but my mother just dried up. She had had lot of milk but just quit early on her pups. They are all fine and getting ready to go to homes soon. There are a few products on the market that have colostrum. Ask your vet... my vet gave me a carton when my girl had to have her c-section. Good luck with your babies!! |
08-30-2005, 10:00 PM | #10 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chico,California
Posts: 597
| Piglet has bobbies we have milk hehe and i only have to supplement with goats milk two times a day and thats because im obsesive lmao i dont think her wee little teets will do the trick everyone is gaining weight on the right time scale and thanks for all the spay nut awnsers i may just have some hard ball legal doc drawn up i just would hate to see someone trying to breed a 2 or 3 lb babie shudders |
08-31-2005, 04:45 AM | #11 | |
YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North wilkesboro, NC
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I would do whatever I felt I needed to do to keep them safe. It's just not worth the risk. A friend of mine has a yorkie I would say she is just a little over 3lbs. She has been going back and forth about breeding (not breeding) her someone she knows has a male the same size. But after some information that I sent her she has decided to go ahead and get her spayed. I'm glad that she did. She decided it wasn't worth the risk as well.
__________________ Sheila, Mollie & Wyatt Ethan my pride and joy Mollie www.dogster.com/?176293 Wyatt www.dogster.com/?205723 | |
08-31-2005, 06:28 AM | #12 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California
Posts: 514
| Glad mommie and babies are doing good. My little males mom and dad both weighed in the 3 pound range and it was an accidental breeding. She had 3 babies and had a c-section and was fixed at the same time. I'm just glad everything worked out and Piglet and babies are doing good. You are going to to be a busy lady for awhile. |
08-31-2005, 11:59 AM | #13 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chico,California
Posts: 597
| i will never breed under 5lb girl again this was the first and only time ive breed this small and i will never do it again i just would of lost it if piglet would of been hurt she is such a mommy though always trying to steal othere mommy babies even human babies so i am honestly glad she got to have her own babies she honestly hates me when i pull her out of the whelping bed to breath for a while i am going to be looking for one more brood size girl now to replace piglet in the breed program she will have to be a snoty girl like mine who feel i should be the one at the foot of the bed if anyone is questioning if they want to breed there small girl i would be on the Nay team im glad piglet was fixed while getting her tummy tuck i dont see how people just have cesarian after cesarian gosh it cost 1500 dollars too OUCH |
09-02-2005, 11:43 AM | #14 |
Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida
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| Just to put in my 2 cents again, but I totally agree with you.. Some people think I shouldn't breed my Bell because she is over the standard. (8lbs) But let me say this, She had no problem giving birth to her babies and one was pretty big.. I think as long as I keep the male small, I shouldn't have a problem with breeding enormous yorkies.. I hope that piglet recovers from all that she went through and the puppies grown up nice and strong.. Good luck and good bless.. PS I want to see pictures!!
__________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom Rest in Peace <3 |
09-02-2005, 03:22 PM | #15 | |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina
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IMO there are some people who are obsessed with owning or producing small, tiny yorkies and that's ok by me because i like little one's for a pet as long as their from healthy lines; just not for breeding. I feel they should be placed as pets only and the breeder should stand firm behind his or her contract regarding this. What some don't understand is it's dangerous breeding little one's (females) and you can breed two 5-7 lb yorkies together and get a mixture of very small to large pups in one litter. Usually the tiniest puppy is a runt. Not a gentically altered dog bred down to only produce that same size. I'm sure alot of lines do carry a small bone stucture gene these days from all the line breeding that has been done to get the tinies. Also I'd like to say that I'm not bashing tiny yorkies! I think they are adorable. However, for breeders there are alot of pros and cons concerning them. I'm glad your little girl is doing good with her milk and her puppies. I hope you have an easier experience with it than I did. Best Wishes, | |
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