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dbanks · 11-03-2008, 03:47 PM

Took Katie and her three puppies to vet today Katie does not have alot of milk yet puppies are 2 days old I weigh them and the boy has gain 2 grams and the one girl has gain 2 grams but the smallest has not gain any they are active and nurse alot they dont cry like they are hungry vet said just keep a eye on their weight and supplement if they start to lose any weight she gave katie a oxy shot and cut the puppies tails and dewclaws do you think I need to supplement now or just wait when I pinch katie tits just a small amout of milk come out she has been eating good whelping pudding and some cottage cheese just afraid she dont have enough milk any suggestion would be appreciated Thanks Donna

thoap · 11-04-2008, 09:58 PM

Hi Donna,
Has the little one begun to gain weight? Just my experience but if they're not gaining weight (& especially if they drop any weight at all) I'll supplement a feeding or two a day and continue to monitor the weight at least 2-3 times per day at that age.

littlelady · 11-04-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dbanks

Took Katie and her three puppies to vet today Katie does not have alot of milk yet puppies are 2 days old I weigh them and the boy has gain 2 grams and the one girl has gain 2 grams but the smallest has not gain any they are active and nurse alot they dont cry like they are hungry vet said just keep a eye on their weight and supplement if they start to lose any weight she gave katie a oxy shot and cut the puppies tails and dewclaws do you think I need to supplement now or just wait when I pinch katie tits just a small amout of milk come out she has been eating good whelping pudding and some cottage cheese just afraid she dont have enough milk any suggestion would be appreciated Thanks Donna

First you want them to nurse first before supplementing.
Put the smallest one on the tits closest to the tail these are biggest and fill up with more milk. You may need to alternate them . I weighed my pups twice a day. If I didn't see weight gain I used a syringe first to get a little bit in their mouths. I used karo syrup until I bought Nutri cal for puppies. The drops are better for new borns but not easy to find. I used to add it to the supplemental milk and make a thin liquid of the milk, karo, and nutrical. I would feed it to the pups after they nursed. I noted a weight gain of an ounce a day after about the 1week. My smallest never did catch up to the others but she did gain weight steady. She is very healthy now.
How much food and fluids is the mother taking in? Have water available all the time. I added chicken I cooked with my slow cooker, and I cooked beef liver and I added this to her food 3 times a day besides having kibble out for her all the time. I gave the whelping pudding and a calcium supplement every day.

joseph2008 · 11-05-2008, 12:45 AM

how are you

dbanks · 11-05-2008, 01:56 PM

Katie has very little milk been feeding them very 3 hrs at first they took 4 to 5 cc and for some reason I can't get them to take about 1cc or 2cc each feeding they are gain weight the smallest weight 120 grams yesterday and she is up to 128 grams today the other girl was 134 grams and now she is 150 grams boy was 138 grams and now is 152 grams are the gaining enough I weigh them in grams easier to keep up with They are very active and they dont cry any but when I feed them they just dont take alot I thought they would take aleast 4cc since they weigh 4 to 5 oz I constantly worry about them katie has very little milk she is getting whelphing pudding twice a day and cottage cheese and eat puppy food please let me know what I can do I am feeding them with a shringe with a nipple on the end of it thanks for any help

dbanks · 11-05-2008, 02:05 PM

forgot to mention I am using esbilic that I got at the vet and katie is eating really good 4 times daily puppy food plus whelphing pudding and cottage cheese they give her a shot at vet and she had milk for about 30 mins and that was it on her back tit she has some been rotating them on it they suck her alot but her tits stays flat and when I pinch them most have none and some has a drop or 2 to come out

HillbillyBelle · 11-05-2008, 03:00 PM

I am sorry to hear that Katie is having problems. I just retired a BIRO girl since I have stopped breeding but she never had milk for 2 litters so I hand-raised them. I also used Esbilac with small amt of Karo added. And, a smidgen of BeneBac every day. The puppies thrived and grew pretty rapidly on that. Weighing AM and PM was essential...You have to monitor their poo and pee and make sure there is NO constipation. That can take a puppy down very quickly.
I gave my mom every liquid I could think of plus pro-biotics. I also kept canned chicken broth down for her and she drank that well but she just could not produce milk.
Good luck with your mom and her babies. Keep us posted...

Indigo · 11-05-2008, 04:43 PM

We had a singleton on Monday and I give mom kibble mixed with a little goats milk. This seem to help her and she loves the goats milk. Good luck.

thoap · 11-05-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Indigo

We had a singleton on Monday and I give mom kibble mixed with a little goats milk. This seem to help her and she loves the goats milk. Good luck.

Indigo. when you change your bitches food and start giving her milk products, does she get diarrhea or does her stools stay firm? I'm just asking because my bitch is hopefully holding young ones and after she whelps I'd like to supplement her feedings but I'm afraid of the mess that might cause. If I even change her kibble she gets the runs.

dbanks · 11-06-2008, 02:01 PM

I use the whelping pudding and it does not bother them and I give them puppy food while they are pregnant It has not change their stool but every dog is different after giving birth and the eat the palacita the get a little loose stool the first day but then goes back to normal the whelping pudding I use is the one that got the knox gelatine in it if you need it let me know and I will post it for you they are many different whelping puddings just do search and you will find one

Indigo · 11-06-2008, 04:52 PM

I haven't had any stool problem with my bitch, but I only give her a small amount of the goats milk at a time. I gradually introduce puppy food into her diet about 2 weeks before she is due. She is mostly eating the goats milk and chicken now. I would like to see her eat more kibble, but this is the same as she did last time. My boy was small 3.5 ounces at birth Monday night. He had his tail docked and dew claws removed today and he now weighs 5.1 ounces and so far doing well.

Denise

11-03-2008, 03:47 PM	#1
dbanks Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Thornton KY Posts: 66	supplement or not Took Katie and her three puppies to vet today Katie does not have alot of milk yet puppies are 2 days old I weigh them and the boy has gain 2 grams and the one girl has gain 2 grams but the smallest has not gain any they are active and nurse alot they dont cry like they are hungry vet said just keep a eye on their weight and supplement if they start to lose any weight she gave katie a oxy shot and cut the puppies tails and dewclaws do you think I need to supplement now or just wait when I pinch katie tits just a small amout of milk come out she has been eating good whelping pudding and some cottage cheese just afraid she dont have enough milk any suggestion would be appreciated Thanks Donna

11-05-2008, 12:45 AM	#4
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11-05-2008, 01:56 PM	#5
dbanks Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Thornton KY Posts: 66	worried about my 4 day old puppies Katie has very little milk been feeding them very 3 hrs at first they took 4 to 5 cc and for some reason I can't get them to take about 1cc or 2cc each feeding they are gain weight the smallest weight 120 grams yesterday and she is up to 128 grams today the other girl was 134 grams and now she is 150 grams boy was 138 grams and now is 152 grams are the gaining enough I weigh them in grams easier to keep up with They are very active and they dont cry any but when I feed them they just dont take alot I thought they would take aleast 4cc since they weigh 4 to 5 oz I constantly worry about them katie has very little milk she is getting whelphing pudding twice a day and cottage cheese and eat puppy food please let me know what I can do I am feeding them with a shringe with a nipple on the end of it thanks for any help

11-04-2008, 09:58 PM	#2
thoap Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 66	Hi Donna, Has the little one begun to gain weight? Just my experience but if they're not gaining weight (& especially if they drop any weight at all) I'll supplement a feeding or two a day and continue to monitor the weight at least 2-3 times per day at that age.

11-05-2008, 02:05 PM	#6
dbanks Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Thornton KY Posts: 66	forgot to mention I am using esbilic that I got at the vet and katie is eating really good 4 times daily puppy food plus whelphing pudding and cottage cheese they give her a shot at vet and she had milk for about 30 mins and that was it on her back tit she has some been rotating them on it they suck her alot but her tits stays flat and when I pinch them most have none and some has a drop or 2 to come out

11-05-2008, 03:00 PM	#7
HillbillyBelle Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: MD Posts: 111	I am sorry to hear that Katie is having problems. I just retired a BIRO girl since I have stopped breeding but she never had milk for 2 litters so I hand-raised them. I also used Esbilac with small amt of Karo added. And, a smidgen of BeneBac every day. The puppies thrived and grew pretty rapidly on that. Weighing AM and PM was essential...You have to monitor their poo and pee and make sure there is NO constipation. That can take a puppy down very quickly. I gave my mom every liquid I could think of plus pro-biotics. I also kept canned chicken broth down for her and she drank that well but she just could not produce milk. Good luck with your mom and her babies. Keep us posted...

11-05-2008, 04:43 PM	#8
Indigo Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DFW Metroplex, Texas Posts: 47	We had a singleton on Monday and I give mom kibble mixed with a little goats milk. This seem to help her and she loves the goats milk. Good luck.

11-06-2008, 02:01 PM	#10
dbanks Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Thornton KY Posts: 66	I use the whelping pudding and it does not bother them and I give them puppy food while they are pregnant It has not change their stool but every dog is different after giving birth and the eat the palacita the get a little loose stool the first day but then goes back to normal the whelping pudding I use is the one that got the knox gelatine in it if you need it let me know and I will post it for you they are many different whelping puddings just do search and you will find one

11-06-2008, 04:52 PM	#11
Indigo Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DFW Metroplex, Texas Posts: 47	I haven't had any stool problem with my bitch, but I only give her a small amount of the goats milk at a time. I gradually introduce puppy food into her diet about 2 weeks before she is due. She is mostly eating the goats milk and chicken now. I would like to see her eat more kibble, but this is the same as she did last time. My boy was small 3.5 ounces at birth Monday night. He had his tail docked and dew claws removed today and he now weighs 5.1 ounces and so far doing well. Denise