Limited Registration Concerns

[BamaFan121s]

This weekend, I met a lady and PetSmart and got to talkin' Yorkies with her. To cut out a bunch of boring details, long story short, she had never heard of the concept of selling a dog w/out breeding rights. She thought that it just meant a breeder/owner agreement not to use the breeder's kennel name. When I told her it meant 'no breeding the dog whatsoever,' she acted as if it was the most absurd thing she'd ever heard of! It actually came across that she was offended and mad that I had said that--kind of took on a very "who do you think you are for suggesting that" attitude. And this was just a stranger I was randomly chatting with on the PetSmart isle who saw my Yorkie purse! This makes one of several people I've run across lately who thought the whole idea was out of the question.

Optomistically, I would *hope* that this was a common practice with breeders--that those who truly 'don't care' would be the minority. Sadly, it seems just the opposite though. It seems that taking the neccessary precautions to ensure offspring are not bred is something that very FEW actually do....even here on YT.

To me, it does not reflect well on a breeder who willingly sends their pups off with little or no regard to how many future litters that dog *could* possiblly be responsible for bringing into this world. It just baffles me that any breeder could "dedicate" themselves to what is best for their dogs and the breed and then turn around and send their dog off w/ no restrictions on breeding--or even worse, PROMOTING the dog for breeding--and not even have a clue as to if the dog will be of a quality that *should* be bred.

I find it all very disheartening. And what I have found lately that just makes me almost sick is that it seems like a foreign concept for breeders to withhold rights to everyone and that they can't even "understand" why anyone would do that. A bit of thinking outloud I suppose, but it's frustrating and I really just don't get it....

[cesar49]

spay or neuter before selling is the only way to be sure
too many dishonest people i guess

[yorkiekist]

Its too bad that most people dont want you to have any say so after the puppy becomes "theirs". Its like, "dont you tell me what to do with MY dog". I would have to say that 95% of the people that enquire about my puppies want to breed them. Its like thats the second thing out of their mouth when asking about them. The first thing is "how big are they?' And MOST people who have puppies for sale DO NOT mark the LIMITED box as they know darn well that they will loose a sale that way.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by cesar49

spay or neuter before selling is the only way to be sure
too many dishonest people i guess

True, but not the point I was trying to make. It's not the people getting the dog that I was complaining about...

I know just what you mean Lynn...I found a long time ago that if the first statement out of my mouth is, "they come with a restriction on being bred" formerly interested parties are generally quick to end the conversation. No skin off my back, saves me time....

[chachi]

My breeder sold with full breeding rights also. Mine are spayed and neutered

[Ladymom]

Bottom line is that there are too many people out there breeding Yorkies irresponsibly. Is it any wonder that Yorkies are 36 times more likely to have a liver shunt than all other breeds combined and are rated #4 in number of cases of luxating patellas by the OFA?

[mainegirl]

My breeder sells with limited registration and witholds the registration papers until she recieves a neuter/spay certificate. She also rebates $100 back to the new owner,which actually paid for the cost of the neuter. She is a wonderful breeder. It's sad there are so many breeders that won't help control uneducated breeding practices

[brunosmom]

I havent sent in Baylees papers yet. Where on the papers is the box that would be checked. I am not seeing it.

[BamaFan121s]

I guess the realization for me this weekend was: This is something that SHOULD be a routine practice for ALL breeders. Instead, it is so rarely done (considering the number of breeders there are) that it comes as a shock and is "unheard of" when mentioned to others. It even happens here all of the time, I think of us YTers as the most Yorkie lovin' group around who 'get it', so to even see that attitude and pattern here from time to time...

[roxies_mom]

I don't know much about this topic just thought I'd chime in with a thought or 2. Since I'm not interested in breeding myself I never really thought about it before reading your post but you have pointed out some good reasons for breeders to not want their dogs to be bred. Maybe the lady in the pet store never thought of it the way you put it. She may just think that because she's purchasing the dog it's hers to do what she wishes with even if her intentions aren't to breed it. Plus there are some dogs out there that should not be bred due to lack of knowing the background (rescue situations and so on) of where they come from (health issues etc.) I completely understand your frustration and the lady should open her mind up to understanding about it more. I'm interested in reading more on this to be more educated on this topic myself.

[Ladyhawk]

The truth is no matter what they say most people are breeding their pet yorkies for the money. They don't care if they are hurting the breed, they don't care if the pups end up in a puppy mill or dies because a back yard breeder simply has no idea how to help them. My boys always go to new homes first because it is so hard to find homes for the gals where I can feel secure in knowing that they won't be used to furnish someone's family members with yorkies. I had one lady even tell me "but I bred a burnese mountain dog once". I had another lady exclaim " I have a male so why not breed her?" Sad to say that this kind of mindset is very prevelent out there. They may as well say to me "what the heck, it's just a dog, as long as I get what I want out of it, I paid for it!" Sounds like I'm selling my angels into slavery and than they seem surprised when I tell them to look elsewhere. If it's just a business for alot of breeders they don't care what happens to the merchandise once it leaves their home, as long as they make the money. It's really sad and I don't know how to change it.

[WV~Yorkies]

I am going to throw my 2 cents in here and I know people don't agree but this is just me.

I think alot of breeders could care less about you breeding they are just trying to protect their lines. That is why you see so many less quality females being breed. To purchase a nice female with rights is nearly impossible.

I only can see selling a tiny female with a limited.

[BamaFan121s]

Exactly Tami!

And I realize that there are always going to be those 'buying' who don't get it, but to me it's even worse when a breeder doesn't 'get it' or even care...

[jencar98]

Misty, surprisingly this doesn't shock me at all. I don't think your average byb or person, gives just anyone breeding, a second thought. I've had way too many ask after having Ruby for a year and then getting Reno, "oh, so now that you've got a male, you're going to breed them now?" They seem surprised than I am not and often ask why.

I usually take it as an opportunity to educate about irresponsible breeding.

[subro]

I guess this is the difference in a breeder and a backyard breeder. I got Max from a backyard breeder and I doubt she knows what limited registration means. Heck she even told me I SHOULD breed Max because "he has such a sweet temperament". She called me last week and said she had another male who was from Brazil if I wanted him. She said he came from prestigious lines, was very laid back but too big to breed as she was 'smalling down" because 'everyone wants the little ones'.