Limited Registration Concerns

[Wigfur]

Originally Posted by Baron

The internet has helped me, as people are learning that the dogs advertised on the internet are very often sickly, or bait and switch, or puppymillers trying to pose as reputable breeders. If people are willing to sell, and ship, puppies that are only 6, 7 or 8 weeks old, they (the purchaser) are taking a real chance on what they are getting, and have no idea if it will be healthy or not. I meet anyone that gets a puppy from me, and I insist that they keep in touch with me and send me pictures of them occasionally.

I also will not ship my puppies, too much can happen with them. If the person can not come and get them, or I can not take them to them, they do not go. No exceptions to that.

Now that is an interesting way of looking at it... I know my point of not buying off line was sending them money then afraid I"d not get the puppy in the photo. Plus you can not tell a puppies personality from photos online.

I guess it at least helps you in knowing that those coming to you want a healthy puppy,and are not just looking for a cheap price.

[dogbert]

My Yorkie is a 4 year old "Breeder Release" who had three litters for a total of 9 pups. She is spayed now.

[DukesMommy]

[QUOTE=scrapindee;2148681]This has been a very interesting thread.

As some of you know, the half Yorkie half Biewer is called a splitter by many folks. While everyone may have their opinion of breeding to a splitter, I am appalled at how many people have called me interested in a Biewer and wanting to breed to their CKC or unregistered Yorkie. My opinion, is that if you were wanting to be breeding back to a Yorkie, you would want to be breeding to a champion Yorkie with an excellent pedigree-- Not your average pet Yorkie.

I attempt to screen people very thoroughly -- I have been told that I have been too nosy because I call the Humane Society, search and rescue's, all the vets in your town, animal control to see if they've heard of you. I will call your neighbors.QUOTE]

I was just wondering, because you say that you call peoples neighbors. Do you ask potential buyers for the phone numbers of their neighbors?? Like as references? Because in my case, if someone were to do that, I wouldn't be able to give the numbers because I don't know them, and I don't like any of my neighbors so I don't really talk to any of them.
I don't blame you for being thorough, if I bred dogs I would be too. I would never breed just because I would be too attached and would be too scared the people wouldn't be good enough. I was just wondering what you would do in a situation as mine.

[nevb1973]

This is an excellent post! I am wanting to add a yorkie to my family in about two years. I have two dachshunds now . They both came from a show breeder, they had a top 5 bitch a few years ago, and that is the way I will go in the future. I will only support a show breeder. My current girls are just great the quality of their personality and health really shines through. They look like a dachsie should look and act like one should act. I think dachshunds are the #5 most popular breed so I see many out there and there is a definite difference between my girls and the others I see. I think buyers really need to take the time to do their research and educate themselves before they add a pet to the family. Sadly that does not happen often enough. You need to read the breed standard and understand the personality of the breed and what it will need from you to thrive.You need to know what you should be looking for. All of the breed clubs have big sections on what to look for in a breeder and people just don't utilize that or even know that information is out there. People really need to become educated consumers it is the only way to stop the horrors of puppy mills and BYB's. It's often quoted "when you know better you do better" and it is true.My parents had field trial labradors when I was a kid and I can't believe the dogs I see that are supposed to be labradors. They are not close to standard. I think people really need to support breeders who only try to produce quality. We need to do it better the breed and support the future of the breed. There are many attempts to pass laws to control and limit dog ownership in an attempt to stem the overpopulation. These laws will hurt the show and hobby breeders who are preserving and bettering the breed and have little effect on mass breeders. Any one who supports mills, pet shops and BYB's is helping to contribute to the downfall of quality healthy happy dogs. You need to think before you spend. I will wait and save until I can afford the $1500-$200 I anticipate spending on a pet quality limited registration male from a responsible breeder. I am willing to be put on a waiting list. We need to remember that the best things often come to those who wait. It applies to family members too! My girls put the idea of yorkie in my head but then I researched it will be my responsibility and my girls companion and playmate but the well-being lies with me. I researched and liked what I read, A small dog with a bold terrier personality that will be good for a family with kids and I want a playful dog too. I am just hoping my future baby will love fetch. My girls DO NOT fetch they are far too dignified for that they are couch babies! Ok I have rambled too long I will end it here and respectfully submit my opinion on the matter. Yes most dogs need to be placed on limited registration!

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by nevb1973

This is an excellent post! I am wanting to add a yorkie to my family in about two years. I have two dachshunds now . They both came from a show breeder, they had a top 5 bitch a few years ago, and that is the way I will go in the future. I will only support a show breeder. My current girls are just great the quality of their personality and health really shines through. They look like a dachsie should look and act like one should act. I think dachshunds are the #5 most popular breed so I see many out there and there is a definite difference between my girls and the others I see. I think buyers really need to take the time to do their research and educate themselves before they add a pet to the family. Sadly that does not happen often enough. You need to read the breed standard and understand the personality of the breed and what it will need from you to thrive.You need to know what you should be looking for. All of the breed clubs have big sections on what to look for in a breeder and people just don't utilize that or even know that information is out there. People really need to become educated consumers it is the only way to stop the horrors of puppy mills and BYB's. It's often quoted "when you know better you do better" and it is true.My parents had field trial labradors when I was a kid and I can't believe the dogs I see that are supposed to be labradors. They are not close to standard. I think people really need to support breeders who only try to produce quality. We need to do it better the breed and support the future of the breed. There are many attempts to pass laws to control and limit dog ownership in an attempt to stem the overpopulation. These laws will hurt the show and hobby breeders who are preserving and bettering the breed and have little effect on mass breeders. Any one who supports mills, pet shops and BYB's is helping to contribute to the downfall of quality healthy happy dogs. You need to think before you spend. I will wait and save until I can afford the $1500-$200 I anticipate spending on a pet quality limited registration male from a responsible breeder. I am willing to be put on a waiting list. We need to remember that the best things often come to those who wait. It applies to family members too! My girls put the idea of yorkie in my head but then I researched it will be my responsibility and my girls companion and playmate but the well-being lies with me. I researched and liked what I read, A small dog with a bold terrier personality that will be good for a family with kids and I want a playful dog too. I am just hoping my future baby will love fetch. My girls DO NOT fetch they are far too dignified for that they are couch babies! Ok I have rambled too long I will end it here and respectfully submit my opinion on the matter. Yes most dogs need to be placed on limited registration!

Well said!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by nevb1973

This is an excellent post! I am wanting to add a yorkie to my family in about two years. I have two dachshunds now . They both came from a show breeder, they had a top 5 bitch a few years ago, and that is the way I will go in the future. I will only support a show breeder. My current girls are just great the quality of their personality and health really shines through. They look like a dachsie should look and act like one should act. I think dachshunds are the #5 most popular breed so I see many out there and there is a definite difference between my girls and the others I see. I think buyers really need to take the time to do their research and educate themselves before they add a pet to the family. Sadly that does not happen often enough. You need to read the breed standard and understand the personality of the breed and what it will need from you to thrive.You need to know what you should be looking for. All of the breed clubs have big sections on what to look for in a breeder and people just don't utilize that or even know that information is out there. People really need to become educated consumers it is the only way to stop the horrors of puppy mills and BYB's. It's often quoted "when you know better you do better" and it is true.My parents had field trial labradors when I was a kid and I can't believe the dogs I see that are supposed to be labradors. They are not close to standard. I think people really need to support breeders who only try to produce quality. We need to do it better the breed and support the future of the breed. There are many attempts to pass laws to control and limit dog ownership in an attempt to stem the overpopulation. These laws will hurt the show and hobby breeders who are preserving and bettering the breed and have little effect on mass breeders. Any one who supports mills, pet shops and BYB's is helping to contribute to the downfall of quality healthy happy dogs. You need to think before you spend. I will wait and save until I can afford the $1500-$200 I anticipate spending on a pet quality limited registration male from a responsible breeder. I am willing to be put on a waiting list. We need to remember that the best things often come to those who wait. It applies to family members too! My girls put the idea of yorkie in my head but then I researched it will be my responsibility and my girls companion and playmate but the well-being lies with me. I researched and liked what I read, A small dog with a bold terrier personality that will be good for a family with kids and I want a playful dog too. I am just hoping my future baby will love fetch. My girls DO NOT fetch they are far too dignified for that they are couch babies! Ok I have rambled too long I will end it here and respectfully submit my opinion on the matter. Yes most dogs need to be placed on limited registration!

Great post, and I notice you are new here, why not start a thread and introduce yourself, this post bares repeating. Welcome to YorkieTalk!

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by nevb1973

This is an excellent post! I am wanting to add a yorkie to my family in about two years. I have two dachshunds now . They both came from a show breeder, they had a top 5 bitch a few years ago, and that is the way I will go in the future. I will only support a show breeder. My current girls are just great the quality of their personality and health really shines through. They look like a dachsie should look and act like one should act. I think dachshunds are the #5 most popular breed so I see many out there and there is a definite difference between my girls and the others I see. I think buyers really need to take the time to do their research and educate themselves before they add a pet to the family. Sadly that does not happen often enough. You need to read the breed standard and understand the personality of the breed and what it will need from you to thrive.You need to know what you should be looking for. All of the breed clubs have big sections on what to look for in a breeder and people just don't utilize that or even know that information is out there. People really need to become educated consumers it is the only way to stop the horrors of puppy mills and BYB's. It's often quoted "when you know better you do better" and it is true.My parents had field trial labradors when I was a kid and I can't believe the dogs I see that are supposed to be labradors. They are not close to standard. I think people really need to support breeders who only try to produce quality. We need to do it better the breed and support the future of the breed. There are many attempts to pass laws to control and limit dog ownership in an attempt to stem the overpopulation. These laws will hurt the show and hobby breeders who are preserving and bettering the breed and have little effect on mass breeders. Any one who supports mills, pet shops and BYB's is helping to contribute to the downfall of quality healthy happy dogs. You need to think before you spend. I will wait and save until I can afford the $1500-$200 I anticipate spending on a pet quality limited registration male from a responsible breeder. I am willing to be put on a waiting list. We need to remember that the best things often come to those who wait. It applies to family members too! My girls put the idea of yorkie in my head but then I researched it will be my responsibility and my girls companion and playmate but the well-being lies with me. I researched and liked what I read, A small dog with a bold terrier personality that will be good for a family with kids and I want a playful dog too. I am just hoping my future baby will love fetch. My girls DO NOT fetch they are far too dignified for that they are couch babies! Ok I have rambled too long I will end it here and respectfully submit my opinion on the matter. Yes most dogs need to be placed on limited registration!

great post!!!!

[scrapindee]

To answer the question about the neighbors, if I have your address, I can find your neighbor's addresses, names, and phone numbers usually. The police and sherrif's departments also are very helpful.

Can't be too careful when you want to avoid puppy mills.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

To answer the question about the neighbors, if I have your address, I can find your neighbor's addresses, names, and phone numbers usually. The police and sherrif's departments also are very helpful.

Can't be too careful when you want to avoid puppy mills.

A easy method...peoplesearch.com allows you to put in an address and it will give you the names of every person and their address on that street.

[C C Kent]

Welcome to YT nevb1973

Way to hit one out of the park... Concise, On Point, and Well Stated.

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

This weekend, I met a lady and PetSmart and got to talkin' Yorkies with her. To cut out a bunch of boring details, long story short, she had never heard of the concept of selling a dog w/out breeding rights. She thought that it just meant a breeder/owner agreement not to use the breeder's kennel name. When I told her it meant 'no breeding the dog whatsoever,' she acted as if it was the most absurd thing she'd ever heard of! It actually came across that she was offended and mad that I had said that--kind of took on a very "who do you think you are for suggesting that" attitude. And this was just a stranger I was randomly chatting with on the PetSmart isle who saw my Yorkie purse! This makes one of several people I've run across lately who thought the whole idea was out of the question.

Optomistically, I would *hope* that this was a common practice with breeders--that those who truly 'don't care' would be the minority. Sadly, it seems just the opposite though. It seems that taking the neccessary precautions to ensure offspring are not bred is something that very FEW actually do....even here on YT.

To me, it does not reflect well on a breeder who willingly sends their pups off with little or no regard to how many future litters that dog *could* possiblly be responsible for bringing into this world. It just baffles me that any breeder could "dedicate" themselves to what is best for their dogs and the breed and then turn around and send their dog off w/ no restrictions on breeding--or even worse, PROMOTING the dog for breeding--and not even have a clue as to if the dog will be of a quality that *should* be bred.

I find it all very disheartening. And what I have found lately that just makes me almost sick is that it seems like a foreign concept for breeders to withhold rights to everyone and that they can't even "understand" why anyone would do that. A bit of thinking outloud I suppose, but it's frustrating and I really just don't get it....

It is hard to get others to see it as we do...I do mean others such as my own MOTHER...God love her...I told her that I was adopting Tiffanies babies all out on Strict Spay/Neuter Contracts...What to know her answer???

"Well I wouldn't buy a dog, no dog from you...If I buy a dog, any dog, any breed and I pay money, any amount of money for that dog then I should be able to do what I want with that dog...Breeding or not breeding, cause it is MY dog"... ...Yes my own Mother said that God love her...

I've spent 2.5 years now trying to explain the whys of it and still can't get her to understand...

She loves my Yorkies but don't understand it all, she tells me all the time "Lee get rid of those dogs, they cost to much for you to keep up"... (She knows what I spend on shampoos and brushes and such ) I just tell her you have your dogs and I have mine (She don't have any Yorkies...Won't let any dogs live in her house (If one is sick or a puppy needs to be handfed then she does), she doesn't say a word though when I bring them with me to visit at her house and yes they go in her house) and she loves to see the puppies...She does allow Dad to bring one in every now and again to play for a few minutes or when he's taught them a new trick and wants to show it to Mom. Now she is to the point where she isn't on me so much about what I do with them lol...She is 70 and I guess you could say sit in her ways

I love my Mother but the way we raise dogs (Any Breed) is so different...They raise Beagles and sell them for hunting dogs...Not AKC or nothing such as this...Altho I did tell them who won at Westminster "Uno" this year...Mind you a Beagle...My Dad of course was glowing with pride as he has been breeding, whelping, training and raising Beagles for over 21.5 years now and he is 78...He loves them and Beagles are his breed as Yorkies is my breed. I watched Westminster and I told everyone Uno would win...I knew it, he showed so much pride there in his showing...He is such a doll.

I know Dad was proud to see him win ...He and Mom loves breeding, whelping and raising their Beagles but just don't understand what all the fuss is about when it comes to Spay/Neuter Contracts (This is Mom, not Dad)....

Dad does train any Beagle he breeds for to run rabbits and squirrels but NEVER a Deer...He won't allow one of his dogs to run a Deer...He is very strict with this...He knows what he's doing when it comes to breeding, whelping and raising Beagles...Tells me when to breed what he thinks is the best breeding days and such and he has even given Teddy his puppy shots...He is a good person when it comes to this type of stuff but he nor Mom don't raise their dogs as I do...Different Breeds and views I guess maybe the difference???

And you know my Dads' Beagles are all kept outside and in all his 21.5 years of Breeding he's never had a accidental breeding or mixed breed with his Beagle..

It's hard to explain to those who don't understand the whys of it all...But we as Breeders must do what is right for the sake of our Yorkie Breed...No matter what those around us think...Not even Mothers and Fathers. Lee

[Dreamer74]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

A easy method...peoplesearch.com allows you to put in an address and it will give you the names of every person and their address on that street.

Although it is handy for some things it freaks me out that so much of your personal info is out there!! However I have had a few neighbors I would like to get a little dirt on.