As Lynn pointed out, they get to know the breeder as a mentor, work with them and learn from them FIRST. This benefits both parties--the breeder gets to know the new owner well enough to feel comfortable entrusting their lines with them on full registration and the new owner has been taught by an experienced breeder and has gained the experience and information they will need to begin breeding.

This has been a very interesting thread.

As some of you know, the half Yorkie half Biewer is called a splitter by many folks. While everyone may have their opinion of breeding to a splitter, I am appalled at how many people have called me interested in a Biewer and wanting to breed to their CKC or unregistered Yorkie. My opinion, is that if you were wanting to be breeding back to a Yorkie, you would want to be breeding to a champion Yorkie with an excellent pedigree-- Not your average pet Yorkie.

I attempt to screen people very thoroughly -- I have been told that I have been too nosy because I call the Humane Society, search and rescue's, all the vets in your town, animal control to see if they've heard of you. I will call your neighbors.

It is important to me that those who get to have one of my puppies continue to send me pictures and information about their puppy in the future. I sell on spay/neuter contracts. My contract says if you do not follow through with the spay neuter I can remove the puppy. I too rebate following receipt of proof of spay/neutering. I hold the IBC and US pedigrees/registrations until I receive the paperwork.

Most puppies are pet quality. Regardless of breed, there are too many breeders that will sell to anyone. I may be strange in that I feel a need to stay connected to my breedings. If the buyer is unhappy with that, there are other breeders out there.

Well I can tell you that Buddy was purchased locally and Bella was a 1600 mile round trip car ride to go get her. I opted to not have her shipped because the only option was for her to fly from Michigan to Houston Texas and back to Iowa or Minnesota. I would purchase both ways again, I think it all just depends what you are looking for. The internet does play a huge part I believe, and I feel you either need to be an established breeder with a waiting list or be willing to be available on the internet to get a top price for your dogs.

I think all of this brings up a few big questions
1- Do you believe you should pay the same for a limited registration dog as you would for full registration?
2-Do you think you should pay the same price for a dog with Champion backgrounds as you would for one without?
3- What about pet quality vs show quality? Does a dog alway warrant a high price to get the best buyer? My personal opinion is sometimes a person who can only pay 500.00 is a better dog owner than the one who just paid you 2500.00.

Those are very good points to make...I would not want to pay the same amount for a limited registration as I would for full. The bloodline would depend on if the dog was being used for show or bred. I think that there should be a pet price and a show dog price. I know that yes I love my babies and I would do anything in the world for them (such as paying $4000.00 dollars to have whole walnuts removed from my boxers intestines) but there is no way I could ever afford to pay $2500.00 for a pup.

There isn't much difference between pet and show quality puppies from a reputable breeder. "Pet quality" puppies from a backyard breeder or a pet store/puppy mill often grow up to be pretty far from the breed standard.

This article from Foxstone Maltese is an excellent explanation of pet quality vs. show quality.

Maltese Show Dog Versus Maltese Pet.....What is the difference?

Every single one of the puppies I have sold have been neutered or spayed. I am very careful to explain the reasons this needs to be done. I keep two of my puppies as pets and spayed Chelsey but not Kayla as I may decide to breed her but don't make that determination until they are two years old. Chelsey was to little after two so I spayed her.

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Thanks for posting this, this is something that confuses so many people. They think if they are not going to show or breed there is no sense going to a show breeder.

I like to hear someone that does not breed them as soon as they are able. I don't think some people realize their little bodies can't handle it. Almost like breeding your teenager which no one would hopefully do LOL!!!

Same here...all of mine have been spayed or neutered with complete cooperation from the new owners. :thumbup: (yes, I consider myself very lucky in that aspect) Well, all but one...there is still one of my female pups that has not been spayed.

I agree you should pay more from a reputable breeder than a backyard breeder. But occasionally even those with the best breeding throw a large pup that does not meet standard, thus making it a pet not show quality. I would expect that this pup would cost me less.
Also many reputable breeders sell pups to other reputable breeders to add different lines to thier stock, I would expect that if they are getting full breeding rights they would pay more to that breeder than I would for a pup with limited registration.
I have also seen puppies with no champions in thier background selling for as much as those comming directly from championed parents. And these people have waiting lists just like the best breeders do. I can not really explain why it happens other than breeder personality can play as much of a role as dog quality.

You are absolutely right about that. You have to be very careful about screening a breeder. I think many people assume a puppy from a show breeder is really expensive, but often they are less than a puppy from a pet store or some of the internet websites that are brokers to puppy mills.

The point is not to be able to say that your dog has "champion lines", but the fact that if his parents, grandparents and great grandparents were champions, he will probably look pretty close to what a Yorkie supposed to.

I would love to show Buddy, but I am lacking in knowledge and time at the moment. His parents were shown but the breeder found she did not have the time to keep competing so they never earned a championship title.

1- Do you believe you should pay the same for a limited registration dog as you would for full registration? I think if you are purchasing the pet and they are "fixed" then they should be less then if you were to get one and be able to breed and make profit.
2-Do you think you should pay the same price for a dog with Champion backgrounds as you would for one without? No I do not, I think it's like anything else we purchase. If you are buying name brand clothing you will pay more then you would pay for the "plain" clothing.
3- What about pet quality vs show quality? Does a dog alway warrant a high price to get the best buyer? My personal opinion is sometimes a person who can only pay 500.00 is a better dog owner than the one who just paid you 2500.00. I agree with you. I think you do not have to have money or spend tons of money to be a good pet parent. Just as you do not have to be wealthy to be a good parent to your children. I often think a lot of people pay the higher amount just as they would for a flashy car or a huge ring, for others to say "wow you paid THAT much for your dog" and I"m not saying ALL that paid higher prices do this.. but I do know in my 31 yrs I've learned a lot about people and those that need to flash the money they have (or the credit they rack up lol) are empty on the inside.

The internet has helped me, as people are learning that the dogs advertised on the internet are very often sickly, or bait and switch, or puppymillers trying to pose as reputable breeders. If people are willing to sell, and ship, puppies that are only 6, 7 or 8 weeks old, they (the purchaser) are taking a real chance on what they are getting, and have no idea if it will be healthy or not. I meet anyone that gets a puppy from me, and I insist that they keep in touch with me and send me pictures of them occasionally.

I also will not ship my puppies, too much can happen with them. If the person can not come and get them, or I can not take them to them, they do not go. No exceptions to that.

Now that is an interesting way of looking at it... I know my point of not buying off line was sending them money then afraid I"d not get the puppy in the photo. Plus you can not tell a puppies personality from photos online.

I guess it at least helps you in knowing that those coming to you want a healthy puppy,and are not just looking for a cheap price.

My Yorkie is a 4 year old "Breeder Release" who had three litters for a total of 9 pups. She is spayed now.

[QUOTE=scrapindee;2148681]This has been a very interesting thread.

As some of you know, the half Yorkie half Biewer is called a splitter by many folks. While everyone may have their opinion of breeding to a splitter, I am appalled at how many people have called me interested in a Biewer and wanting to breed to their CKC or unregistered Yorkie. My opinion, is that if you were wanting to be breeding back to a Yorkie, you would want to be breeding to a champion Yorkie with an excellent pedigree-- Not your average pet Yorkie.

I attempt to screen people very thoroughly -- I have been told that I have been too nosy because I call the Humane Society, search and rescue's, all the vets in your town, animal control to see if they've heard of you. I will call your neighbors.QUOTE]

I was just wondering, because you say that you call peoples neighbors. Do you ask potential buyers for the phone numbers of their neighbors?? Like as references? Because in my case, if someone were to do that, I wouldn't be able to give the numbers because I don't know them, and I don't like any of my neighbors so I don't really talk to any of them.
I don't blame you for being thorough, if I bred dogs I would be too. I would never breed just because I would be too attached and would be too scared the people wouldn't be good enough. I was just wondering what you would do in a situation as mine.

This is an excellent post! I am wanting to add a yorkie to my family in about two years. I have two dachshunds now . They both came from a show breeder, they had a top 5 bitch a few years ago, and that is the way I will go in the future. I will only support a show breeder. My current girls are just great the quality of their personality and health really shines through. They look like a dachsie should look and act like one should act. I think dachshunds are the #5 most popular breed so I see many out there and there is a definite difference between my girls and the others I see. I think buyers really need to take the time to do their research and educate themselves before they add a pet to the family. Sadly that does not happen often enough. You need to read the breed standard and understand the personality of the breed and what it will need from you to thrive.You need to know what you should be looking for. All of the breed clubs have big sections on what to look for in a breeder and people just don't utilize that or even know that information is out there. People really need to become educated consumers it is the only way to stop the horrors of puppy mills and BYB's. It's often quoted "when you know better you do better" and it is true.My parents had field trial labradors when I was a kid and I can't believe the dogs I see that are supposed to be labradors. They are not close to standard. I think people really need to support breeders who only try to produce quality. We need to do it better the breed and support the future of the breed. There are many attempts to pass laws to control and limit dog ownership in an attempt to stem the overpopulation. These laws will hurt the show and hobby breeders who are preserving and bettering the breed and have little effect on mass breeders. Any one who supports mills, pet shops and BYB's is helping to contribute to the downfall of quality healthy happy dogs. You need to think before you spend. I will wait and save until I can afford the $1500-$200 I anticipate spending on a pet quality limited registration male from a responsible breeder. I am willing to be put on a waiting list. We need to remember that the best things often come to those who wait. It applies to family members too! My girls put the idea of yorkie in my head but then I researched it will be my responsibility and my girls companion and playmate but the well-being lies with me. I researched and liked what I read, A small dog with a bold terrier personality that will be good for a family with kids and I want a playful dog too. I am just hoping my future baby will love fetch. My girls DO NOT fetch they are far too dignified for that they are couch babies! Ok I have rambled too long I will end it here and respectfully submit my opinion on the matter. Yes most dogs need to be placed on limited registration!:)

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Well said!

Great post, and I notice you are new here, why not start a thread and introduce yourself, this post bares repeating. Welcome to YorkieTalk!

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To answer the question about the neighbors, if I have your address, I can find your neighbor's addresses, names, and phone numbers usually. The police and sherrif's departments also are very helpful.

Can't be too careful when you want to avoid puppy mills.

A easy method...peoplesearch.com allows you to put in an address and it will give you the names of every person and their address on that street.

Welcome! And Great Post
 

Welcome to YT nevb1973:wavey:

Way to hit one out of the park... Concise, On Point, and Well Stated.:bravo:

Although it is handy for some things it freaks me out that so much of your personal info is out there!! However I have had a few neighbors I would like to get a little dirt on.