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Who are you to tell these people, who YOU hand picked to raise your puppy..you know...the ones that filled out your three page puppy application and did everything you asked..., that they can not do exactly what you are doing? I guess I'd have to answer this by saying I am the person who spent years studying the standard and still study constantly. I am the person who hand selected this female and this male to compliment each other. I'm the one who paid the vet bills and did the pedigree searches. I'm the one who had the pups evaluated by 2 different respected breeders to help me decide who was show/breed potential and who should not be bred and go to loving pet homes. I sell the pet pups at pet prices and keep the show pups to either show myself or place in show homes. If someone sincerely wants to start their own breeding program for the betterment of the breed I am more than happy to help them but I won't sell them a pet quality pup. |
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As far as the other breeds, again..I agree. Yorkies have become such a popular breed especially here the past few or so years with celebrities now toting them around...it is a breed that "everybody" wants....so...after looking for one...seeing the prices and now in desperation..the majority of the "everybody" will go to the cheaper ones that are registered by joe shmoe or the designer mutts because they at least resemble one or it is at least 1/2 yorkie. I typically don't get riled up when the teacup name is mentioned...I get more riled up with the whole designer B.S...it disgusts me! I have never and will never pay for a mutt...which, cute or not, is still just that...a mutt. Off my soapbox... |
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Interesting discussion. And with every region of the country having its own alternative registry with no possibility of limited registration, it only makes the mindset harder to break. AKC could make limited the default registration for any pup unless specified by the breeder. That could take some pressure off breeders having to explain themselves to every potential owner. I doubt you'll see this, though, as they would see this as hurting the bottom line. The one thing about limited registration, though, is that it's reversible by the breeder. Maybe if this were explained to potential owners that it COULD be reversed at the breeder's request, it may make the idea more palatable to some and get them thinking about preserving the lines. Or.....and this is a crazy idea, how about an alternative registry that is tighter than AKC on its registration requirements. Two things that come to mind would be limited registration as the default registration with full registration only given at the breeder's request and then only after proof of appropriate health screenings were done. Maybe AKC could have some kind of 'preferred' registration. You kill two birds with one stone that way. You protect the lines and you make for a healthier breed. Now that's what I call betterment of the breed. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :) |
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Right , it shortens the time i have to spend on the phone if they stop there when i inform them iof breeding rights only with prior approval and that's not often as I sell most every thing "Limited" |
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:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Most breeders just aren't that concerned about the breed as a "whole." This is one topic you and I agree, but that has alway been my concern with some of the other registries, they will allow you to list a dog purchased without breeding rights and register the puppies anyway. That's a huge problem for me, and I believe the AKC is the only registry that won't allow this. |
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In this instance it has nothing to do with being able to re-register a dog w/ limited registration....more so that point that it seems few are restricting breeding rights to begin with. Evident by the fact that it seems to be an unheard of concept with most people. Almost equally as disturbing that potential owners don't see it as a huge red flag if a breeder doesn't require it. IMO, not placing a dog in a home where it will be bred is not a responsibility that can be left up to marking a box on a piece of paper, regardless of what registry it is. Nor should it be. So that is an irrelevant point. A breeder has to step up and take whatever precautions neccessary within their power to make sure that the no-breeding agreement is held up on both ends...be it iron clad contract requiring proof of s/n or s/n before placing the pup. It's not easy or even a possibility in some situations, but if you're not even trying to begin with... |
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Uneducated buyers have to share some of the responsibility for all the health problems in Yorkies now and the fact that so many of the Yorkies out there don't even look like Yorkies anymore. I read an article a few years ago that said that people spend more time researching which microwave to buy than they do in selecting the breeder to buy a puppy from. :( |
Neither of mine had limited registration, Duke is neutered and I plan on having Lucie spayed. I honestly didn't even know what it was until this past year. When I first learned of it, I thought it could be kind of offensive to tell someone I will sell the dog but you can't breed it, but after I thought about it, it all made more sense because even people who pay a lot for a dog, may not have good intentions. I always thought, if you are going to pay a lot for a dog, you wouldn't do anything harmful towards it... Now I think it's a good idea, I think if you intend to breed you could discuss that with the breeder, like proving you will be a good breeder with the dog. I would rather prove myself and have someone agree to let me breed, rather than look for someone who couldn't care less what I did with the dog. Wow, didn't think my post was going to be so long! |
I think that once you purchase a pup that it is yours to do what you will with it and if you want to breed it yes you should educate yourself but to me a breeder may see it that if you breed the puppy you bought then that is money out of their pocket....but this is just my opinion. |
breeding When you say the dog is yours to do as you please..that is not quite accurate..my name is forever printed on those AKC papers...one generation of improper breeding wrecks 35 yrs of hard work and can damage my reputation..the country is full of breeders who do not care if you breed their stock, so I advise buyers to buy from them. |
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For the average byb it's probably a combination of not knowing what limited registration means and the lack of truly caring about the breed and maintaining the integrity of the breed. |
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Sure, many WILL educate themselves and do right by the dog...but what about those who don't? How else can a breeder protect the dog and the breed in general? I respect your opinion as I do everyone's, but I have to agree with Pat on this one. If you spend decades perfecting your lines, all it takes is one breeding of a good dog to a poor one to produce a bad representation with who knows what genetic defects...and the 30+ year dedicated breeders name is stuck to that for all eternity. |
Matter of Respect This is a great thread, kudos to the OP. I have respect for those who have gone before me and achieved what I hope to achieve. I'm fully prepared to meet the high standards expected of me to own the best blood. I'll treat it as a labor of love and pay respect to those who entrusted it to me. Eventually I'll find worthy hands to leave it in. :thumbup: |
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[QUOTE=erickajm;2143426]Okay...lord, help me word this right so that my head is still intact after it is read.... I honestly think your average potential yorkie owner isn't going to be able to afford a dog from a person who shows...Let's face it, we all think our puppies are cute...but people who show do as well and many have ribbons & trophies and such confirming it. But I am also discovering that there are tons of people that really don't care if they are registered...they just want a yorkie....I think I will leave that one alone for now. I am one of those people. When I get one his papers I could care less about. I might be wrong, but his registration papers does not make him but his pedigree does. I would like to see his pedigree, and could care less for AKC registration. Prices are high on yorkies, I have had e-mails from $500 -$2500 breeders there are some I wouldn't give a $100 for and they have them at $1000. To me it is a shame that the Yorkie name is what puts a high price on some of these babies. To someone stating about the weigh, I am one of those people that does ask My reason are I want the standard, 4 lbs- 7 lbs. I do not want a 15 lb yorkie, if I paid top dollar for a yorkie I would atleast want the standard. People do breed their 8 to 10 lb female with a smaller male and then state all puppies will be under 5 lbs. This shocks me everytime I see this. Sometimes you do find a breeder that cares and its not about making money its about making the breed better. I feel there are a lot of them on YT. BTW this is a interesting topic ;) |
very interesting Very interesting topic. |
I find that a lot of older people have never heard of such a thing, because it has not always been common. I am concerned that there are lots of people breeding dogs with limited registrations and selling them for close to 1000.00 and people actual buy them. I realize that not everyone feels the need to have a registered dog, but they should question buying from a pup from registered dog whose pups they can not register. |
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I haven't ran across a breeder that does not register their puppies, I have read a few that state "to keep the prices down they will not register this litter". And charge a high price, the price doesn't scare me, but the reason does. I do wonder about that one, since AKC does inspect after 6-7 litters per year. If I did get one with papers I would never send them in, waste of money for me. I just want to see their pedigree and I do have to have knowledge on him being registered or able to be. |
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There are many people who also don't register because they too think it is a waste of money....I think in the end, the only true way to protect your lines and such is to have all puppies fixed before they go to new homes..otherwise people will breed them regardless, slap them with the aca or equiv. and sell them for as much as you are...and with the same description...97% of people don't know the difference between AKC, ACA, APRI....so its neither here nor there to them. They don't care if they have champion bloodlines or ch sired..they just want the yorkie that is going to make them money. I work with a gal that has this mentality...she wanted one of my yorkies so bad..so she could breed...I told her no, they weren't available and by the week's end she bought two s**t zoos (Hee hee). She just had her first litter...she also has Mastiffs and told me she wanted to go with Yorkies but she just couldn't afford it then...she wanted me to go in with her and build a kennel (on our land of course) so we could make lots of money.!!!!! That is (sorry to say) the mentality of most people who decide to "breed". Its just like another get rich scheme...they think because Yorkies are a popular breed that all they have to do is buy two and BAM we are in the money...and in the end...they are going to make some because they are mass producing and selling to more uneducated people that don't understand the difference between what they bought and what they should have bought...Yeah...that's my chapter for the day. |
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I would have to disagree with this. I am not interested in breeding yorkies and never will be. I am aware of the difference of AKC , CKC, APRI etc. to know I prefer to stay within AKC guidelines. I have stated plenty of times AKC standards for me. I do not want to show, breed, or sale a yorkie now or anytime within my life time. I have also stated pedigree does matter to me. So I did not fall off the truck yesterday;) Yeah maybe breeders should neuter/spay the pets before leaving their homes. Heck you think at $800-2500 a pet price it will already be done, but its not so in the long run I will have to spend more money in doing this so why should I spend another $25.00 for a piece of paper that states he is Registered. When I already know that he is. |
Selling on a limited registration is just one thing a breeder can do to prevent someone from breeding a puppy that is not breeding quality-- if the new owner does not care about AKC registration for the puppies (thus the existence of the Central Kennel Club etc.) he or she can still breed the dog and sell its offspring. The only real way to be sure that a dog you sell will not be bred is to spay or neuter it before it leaves home. I am not in favor of early spay/neuter so I would need to keep my puppies through their maturity before they could be placed. I breed papillons (have one yorkie now though : ), and I greatly prefer performance (agility or obedience) homes, and those homes prefer younger puppies generally and usually only have a handful of dogs and no interest in breeding. Luckily the majority of my "puppy people" are long time friends from these sports and have great dog ownership track records so there is less I need to do insofar as immediate background checking. I do require references, including from the individual's veterinarian, before selling a puppy, esp. to someone I do not have a long standing relationship with. In addition, I have a very good puppy sales contract (and my buyers know I will enforce it-- I am a lawyer LOL). To me, background screening is so much more important than the type of registration that is given (although I do only give limited registration because if they are going to breed it there is no reason for full registration). I do have in my contract that if they want me to reevaluate the dog as show potential as it gets older they have that option and we might shift the registration to full, but so far no one has wanted to do that as they tend to want to spay/neuter as young adults because it makes performance events somewhat easier to train for and a heck of a lot easier to plan to attend if you don't have a bitch coming into season LOL. |
wildcard--- A good example of how the breeder has to take steps to prevent the pups being bred and not trust it won't be done just because they marked the papers as limited. I understand wanting to protect your 'name' and 'line' which you achieve with selling on limited. But it doesn't protect the dog itself (which is a concern as well) if they decide to register it elsewhere. |
Misty- Right, limited registration only deals with AKC registration. I have been EXTREMELY fortunate in that my puppies have been in demand from people who dedicate their "dog lives" to obedience, agility, rally, etc. and for the most part they are not interested in breeding. Most of these people have been getting dogs previously from good breeders (because they understand the importance of structure and temperment) and know the ropes of spay/neuter contacts and limited registration long before they come to me for a puppy. Definitely a difference between breeds because you see so many more paps in those sports than yorkies, and I have been involved in those sports for over 10 years myself so I have a lot of friends/contacts that way. If I were to breed yorkies (probably not going to happen) I would be dealing with more pure pet people that would not necessarily have a lot of experience in purebred dogs. It would be a lot harder to screen I would think, and harder to explain the spay/neuter obligation. If I can't learn enough and confirm enough about a home to know that they will honor a spay/neuter contract, then I am not apt to put a puppy in that home anyway. How would I know it would be cared for properly insofar as diet, vet care, etc if the owner was not even going to adhere to a contract they signed agreeing not to breed the dog? I wouldn't place an already spayed/neutered dog with someone who won't follow clear, fair terms of a written legal agreement. If the day comes that I feel like things have come to that point, no more breeding for me, that would be my only solution. |
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This is the reason why I will not buy CKC, APRI etc. because they bought the puppy as pet only then turned around and bred it when it states not to sometimes there are reasons why a puppy is considered a pet and not breeder/show. One site does state her female is AKC (Limited) but her puppies are CKC, APRI. So of course that makes me believe that she bought the female because it was cheaper. I personally do not look all over the site if I notice anything other then AKC. SO breeders out there please spay/neuter your babies prior to sell, it would save money and heartache for the pet owner if he/she dies during the spay/neuter, and your "lines" that some of you state you work so hard at keeping. |
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