The Great Debate..."Breeder" or "Backyard Breeder"

[Marc]

Originally Posted by T Doll

I've been trying to avoid posting in this thread, but the more I read it, the more I feel I should throw in my 2 cents. It appears that you're always claiming to want to learn "both" sides and that this thread is strictly for learning purposes. However, as I read your posts, it just seems like no matter how many knowledgeable breeders and owners give you their opinions and important facts to consider, you seem to question everything they say and try to defend your own position. Although I commend you for wanting to do your research and not just going ahead and breeding your girl without trying to get some important information, it also doesn't seem like you're taking in all this useful information that everyone has offered. You just counter back at them and try to justify breeding your girl....that's the thing that really bugs me

I'm rather glad you posted this.....because that is exactly my intention with this thread. I will play the other side like I stated earlier....so breeders can hear owner side and owners can hear breeders side and both can learn....and it can be done nicely. So, yuppers...I am coming across that way with intention. I am taking that "tons of useful info" and countering it for a reason....that's what this thread is about.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

You are right and jmho, I think the thread was started to stir trouble. if he had truly wanted advice he could have done a search. It is all there in the search engines on here. he can learn all he needs to now about BYB, reg. Breeders and yes, even coats. Some of the most knowledagle breeders and show people have offered advice on this thread only to have it thrown back in their face. This OP is going to do what he is going to do and the rest of us should just stop posting to it.

Oh my lord. You are really off base here...sorry to tell you.

1. I am a girl...
2. I most certainly DID NOT start this thread to stir any trouble of any kind. If you would read through all my posts you would see that I am debating on the other side of this with good spirit...mentioning often that I am not heated and I don't want anyone else to be heated.
3. This thread isn't about ME needing to go through posts to learn FROM knowledgable breeders...so much as it is laying both sides out in the open so each can understand each other...in a nice way.
4. Stop posting if you don't like it. I couldn't care less. I am learning great points from breeders...much of which I will be taking to heart SHOULD I DECIDE to ever breed my girl....and learning things that I don't agree with as well. As my intention of the thread is from the beginning.
5. WHat you call "throwing back into a face" is what Is called "debating.

Post or don't post...makes me no difference. But numerous people have posted in here that they are glad the thread is going so well and are finding it interesting and learning from it.

[bchgirl]

Oh it's an education alright...

[KYBLUE]

im done moving on

[Marc]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

I too have avoided this thread, but.....in all do respect to every member here!

The breeders section is just that, all about "breeding this daunting breed"
A dedicated breeder understands and adheres to the breed standard, one who knows that pedigrees are more than a pretty piece of paper and that responsible breeding is far more complicated, costly, consuming than breeding two beloved house pets for litter of pretty puppies. With this in mind the breeders section is the most passionate controversal area in YT, simply put don't ask questions in this section if youre not seeking honest opinions.

There are many seasoned breeders that give their time helping others understand the breed standard, the responsiblities and costs involved in breeding, finally assisting those who know nothing about breeding yet they have a pregant bitch due to whelp!

If youre not seeking an honest answer then this area is not the area to post to, if you want to be petted or patted on the head there are plenty of sections on YT celebrating their passion for their pets.

Finally when someone is asking if they should breed their dog or not, they get what they ask for...answers and opinions...then like any mature adult one should ponder the advice and ultimately make their now informed decision.

I am most certainly seeking honest comments and such from this thread. I wouldn't have it any other way....cause I too am being honest. Saying that, some of the very same "breeders" from down here ARE in fact giving positive comments and advice that is opposite from what is given down here. That is troubling from the owners point of veiw. I put that out there as a "learning" and "understanding" example for breeders. Nothing more and nothing less. Honest opinions are more than welcome....but don't contridict from thread to thread cause am owner comes "down here" and you get a negative attitude instantly cause they ask a question.

It's all about both sides. Not here to make people angry.
If youre not seeking an honest answer then this area is not the area to post to, if you want to be petted or patted on the head there are plenty of sections on YT celebrating their passion for their pets.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Oh it's an education alright...

What is it SUPPOSED to be is:

"Breeders learning from what angle the owner is coming from"
"Owners learning concerns of the breeders"
"Differences between breeder "pets" and owner "pets"
"Opening eyes to responses when someone asks a simply question about breeding....when even the breeders had to start somewhere"

Yes....education. So long as open minds and mature understanding can be set in play.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by KYBLUE

im done moving on

I'm sorry to hear that. Bye.

[Marc]

Ok, I'm going to throw out another scenario and see if it helps in terms of the topic of a breeders "pet quality" and an owners "pet quality litter.


If I am walking along and come across 2 booths set up. There is no advertising other than that both booths are selling Yorkies....I can't tell that one is a "breeder" of Yorkies and that the other is a owner who bred to Yorkies...pups all look the same. Do you think it would matter to me in terms of adding to the pet population that booth "A" came from a breeder and booth "B" came from a owner? Either booth has pet quality pups that now in this world and need a good home. No?

[bjh]

Do you have any specific questions? It just seems like the same thing over and over. What do you want to know that has not already been said.

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

[QUOTE=Marc;2002373]Do you think it would matter to me in terms of adding to the pet population that booth "A" came from a breeder and booth "B" came from a owner? QUOTE]

If you were a RESPONSIBLE PET OWNER, then yes... it would matter...

You're right, you might not be able to tell the differences on sight, but start asking those behind the "booths" a few questions and the quality of the pups will become instantaniously apparent.

[Marc]

[quote=Mom2BabyNatalie;2002390]

Originally Posted by Marc

Do you think it would matter to me in terms of adding to the pet population that booth "A" came from a breeder and booth "B" came from a owner? QUOTE]

If you were a RESPONSIBLE PET OWNER, then yes... it would matter...

You're right, you might not be able to tell the differences on sight, but start asking those behind the "booths" a few questions and the quality of the pups will become instantaniously apparent.

If I asked the questions and got the breeders response on how she goes about her practices...and then talked to the owner who has the same vet checks for her pups then it wouldn't matter to me at all. If both litters are healthy and both pure Yorkies....then both litters of "pets" are contributing to the population.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Marc

Ok, I'm going to throw out another scenario and see if it helps in terms of the topic of a breeders "pet quality" and an owners "pet quality litter.


If I am walking along and come across 2 booths set up. There is no advertising other than that both booths are selling Yorkies....I can't tell that one is a "breeder" of Yorkies and that the other is a owner who bred to Yorkies...pups all look the same. Do you think it would matter to me in terms of adding to the pet population that booth "A" came from a breeder and booth "B" came from a owner? Either booth has pet quality pups that now in this world and need a good home. No?

Here again it comes down to quality. Say you were going to buy a car and you go to a car lot. You might see many cars of the same make and model but the features on all might be different. One car might not have near the features that the other one has and it will be cheaper, they might drive the same but one might cost thousands more because of the added features. As for yorkies, add proper silky coat, health screening, proper conformation, proper socialization, etc. and you have a more expensive pet that one that does not have these things.

[T Doll]

Originally Posted by Marc

I'm rather glad you posted this.....because that is exactly my intention with this thread. I will play the other side like I stated earlier....so breeders can hear owner side and owners can hear breeders side and both can learn....and it can be done nicely. So, yuppers...I am coming across that way with intention. I am taking that "tons of useful info" and countering it for a reason....that's what this thread is about.

Ok, so now that you have done what you intended to do with this thread, why keep continuing the with the rebuttals? People have given you their thoughts, and you have countered and kept bringing up the same points and questions over and over. What are you hoping to accomplish with it? You've asked your questions and you've received your answers. Now, take them into serious consideration instead of pretending that you're doing YT any justice with this little "non-heated" thread.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by bjh

Do you have any specific questions? It just seems like the same thing over and over. What do you want to know that has not already been said.

It's not that I want to KNOW anything in specific. This thread is a debate of both sides. I am asking questions between answering posts. This is a debate thread.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by bjh

Here again it comes down to quality. Say you were going to buy a car and you go to a car lot. You might see many cars of the same make and model but the features on all might be different. One car might not have near the features that the other one has and it will be cheaper, they might drive the same but one might cost thousands more because of the added features. As for yorkies, add proper silky coat, health screening, proper conformation, proper socialization, etc. and you have a more expensive pet that one that does not have these things.

It's not about cost in this scenario...it's about pet quality and over-population of dogs.

There is no differences. If the owner bought her dog from a reputable breeder and didn't get her fixed....found a male of same quality....then both litters are the same and the breeders are no better than the owners....they are both having to be placed for homes as pets. How can that be argued?