OK! Here it is.

[Myzzbrat]

I am not one for abortions by all means... Just health wise would be the only logical reason for it. Having said this I only spoke of it because my mother who bred Rotties had a female that had an abortion, it wasn't my mothers choice she shared ownership of that particular female and the other owner decided she didnt want the female to have a litter of pups because it wouldnt benefit her at all. Well that lady also was a vet tech and when my mom was out of town and had her so called friend the other owner watch her dogs she came in w/ her vet and did an abortion. Winnie was never the same. She became aggressive with us and my mother, practically killed our male and ate literally ate through her layers of stitches. Did she have that cone head contraption to prevent that yes but she tore it off.. We ended up putting her down because she was mentally unstable because of the psychological screw up it caused her.. So please do not think I am for abortion at all. I was thinking health wise if a c-section wasnt an option and the pelvis wasnt mature.. I hope no one thinks i am for abortions because i stated it previously because i'm not what so ever..

[BakersDozen]

What a kind, helpful thread! I agree with everyone (well, almost everyone)--it sounds like you did the best you could, and no need to beat yourself up. We will just hope for the best, and as someone pointed out, this happens all the time in the wild. It's not ideal for our babies, but not unlikely that it will all turn out ok!

[majic50]

Originally Posted by Myzzbrat

I am not one for abortions by all means... Just health wise would be the only logical reason for it. Having said this I only spoke of it because my mother who bred Rotties had a female that had an abortion, it wasn't my mothers choice she shared ownership of that particular female and the other owner decided she didnt want the female to have a litter of pups because it wouldnt benefit her at all. Well that lady also was a vet tech and when my mom was out of town and had her so called friend the other owner watch her dogs she came in w/ her vet and did an abortion. Winnie was never the same. She became aggressive with us and my mother, practically killed our male and ate literally ate through her layers of stitches. Did she have that cone head contraption to prevent that yes but she tore it off.. We ended up putting her down because she was mentally unstable because of the psychological screw up it caused her.. So please do not think I am for abortion at all. I was thinking health wise if a c-section wasnt an option and the pelvis wasnt mature.. I hope no one thinks i am for abortions because i stated it previously because i'm not what so ever..

I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't take offense. I didn't mean for you to think I did. I thought you sounded concerned.

That was a pretty underhanded thing to give the dog an abortion without the consent of both owners. Poor dog, for what it had to go through.

[majic50]

Everyone is correct. It has been a very kind and helpful thread. I was really worried that in posting I would get some angry responses, but everybody has been very understanding and I greatly appreciate it.

I will keep you posted on her progress and I still hope that it is a false pregnancy.

Some one on another forum had two females that must have been in heat about the same time. Only one was bred, but the other one went through the whole thing just like she was pregnant, too. Even nesting near the end. I couldn't help wondering how traumatic it was for her to go through that and end up with no babies. Especially when her sister did have babies.

[mypreciouspups]

good luck if your girl is prego.. keep us informed.. I too would be intereted in knowing how you made out...

again hope all goes well if she is....

[011011]

I have a female who I have a hard time telling if she is coming in or in heat till she is in standing heat,I have never seen blood on her or the licking or swollen vulva. Actually she is in heat right now and I did not know till the other day and she is already in standing heat. I do not have any other females like her,the rest always bleed ,lick themselves alot, real swollen vulva and behavior changes etc....
It is hard to keep males away from females but can be done!! Seperate rooms and gates all over.It is better if they cannot even see them through the cycle (or smell).It is alot of crying and whining but well worth it when you do not want someone bred.
By 45- 50 days you should be able to feel pups and mamary will be filling up.
To bad she is still a pup though and might be a mommy. Let us know what your vet says.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by majic50

Everyone is correct. It has been a very kind and helpful thread. I was really worried that in posting I would get some angry responses, but everybody has been very understanding and I greatly appreciate it.

Well you seem to be very open and receptive to the advice being given and seem to have your girl's best interested as your primary focus. The threads that usually get heated are the ones where people don't listen to reason, flaunt their irresponsible nature and put what they want before what's best for the dog.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Myzzbrat

My question would be if her pelvis isn't ready or strong enough for delivery would it be a C-section then? or would the vet advise a abortion? Just a question..

I would question doing the spay at what would be this far into the gestation period. If it was closely following a tie, then I might opt for that route, but at this point I'm thinking it would be a bigger risk...especially when it's not certain that a tie, during her fertile period at that, actually ocurred.

[majic50]

You haven't heard from me in awhile because I am having a crisis right now with another one of my Yorkies, Lucy. She is in emergency surgery as I write for damage to her spine. She may not make it.

In regards to Ciara, since she and my other Yorkies are being boarded by my vet while I am out of town with Lucy, I had the vet check her. The vet did an ultrasound and Ciara is definitely pregnant. There are at least three babies. She is between 30 days and 45 days. That's as close as they could determine.

Got to go for now as I am awaiting a call from the surgeon as to the outcome of Lucy's surgery.

[Sunnie]

OMG I am so sorry to hear about Lucy. I will be praying for her.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by majic50

You haven't heard from me in awhile because I am having a crisis right now with another one of my Yorkies, Lucy. She is in emergency surgery as I write for damage to her spine. She may not make it.

In regards to Ciara, since she and my other Yorkies are being boarded by my vet while I am out of town with Lucy, I had the vet check her. The vet did an ultrasound and Ciara is definitely pregnant. There are at least three babies. She is between 30 days and 45 days. That's as close as they could determine.

Got to go for now as I am awaiting a call from the surgeon as to the outcome of Lucy's surgery.

I am so sorry to hear about Lucy. I have lit a candle for her. I know how stress you must feel right now. I will be praying for Lucy and also little Ciara.

[Ellie May]

I'm so sorry to hear about Lucy.

I would probably allow your pup to have the puppies now since she is so far along but a spay after the tie would have been my first choice.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

I'm so sorry to hear about Lucy.

I would probably allow your pup to have the puppies now since she is so far along but a spay after the tie would have been my first choice.

She never saw them breed and she kept them apart once she realized the little female was in heat.

[jp4m2]

Originally Posted by Myzzbrat

I am not one for abortions by all means... Just health wise would be the only logical reason for it. Having said this I only spoke of it because my mother who bred Rotties had a female that had an abortion, it wasn't my mothers choice she shared ownership of that particular female and the other owner decided she didnt want the female to have a litter of pups because it wouldnt benefit her at all. Well that lady also was a vet tech and when my mom was out of town and had her so called friend the other owner watch her dogs she came in w/ her vet and did an abortion. Winnie was never the same. She became aggressive with us and my mother, practically killed our male and ate literally ate through her layers of stitches. Did she have that cone head contraption to prevent that yes but she tore it off.. We ended up putting her down because she was mentally unstable because of the psychological screw up it caused her.. So please do not think I am for abortion at all. I was thinking health wise if a c-section wasnt an option and the pelvis wasnt mature.. I hope no one thinks i am for abortions because i stated it previously because i'm not what so ever..

Your post made me tear up...that poor dog, what a shame she had to pay with her sanity and her life..........

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by bjh

She never saw them breed and she kept them apart once she realized the little female was in heat.

It wouldn't have mattered to me if I saw it or not. There was a possibility, so spaying would've been my first choice since 10 months is waaaay too young to have pups and I don't think any health testing has been done.

But what is done is done and I hope all goes well.