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Ladyhawk 02-22-2008 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1791591)
Because, the standard defines the breed! If you aren't breeding to the standard, you aren't truly breeding a Yorkshire Terrier....if you continue breeding out-of-standard dogs, you eventually get a yorkie that doesn't even resemble a Yorkshire Terrier. Therefor, you aren't breeding a Yorkie anymore.

If someone is truly setting out to create a new breed and doing it the right way, more power to them. But you can't take a yorkie and change a couple things about it and still call it a yorkie.
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love_me_cody 02-22-2008 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1791582)
Well...I have to say that I think you are wrong. You'll always have bad breeders only breeding to make money. Reputable breeders breed because they love this breed. I guess I'll try to describe how I feel (even though I don't breed)....I am so in love with the Yorkshire Terrier breed - the way a well-bred yorkie looks, the way they act, that long silky coat, everything that makes a Yorkshire Terrier what it is. These are just amazing little dogs...there is just something so special about them. Those that show and breed are in love with this breed too. They show to prove they have excellent examples of the breed. They breed to improve the breed and to breed the best examples possible. Most breed to get that next show quality puppy. They strive to breed healthy, quality puppies for the show ring and to be placed into pet homes. They want to preserve this wonderful breed. I bet making money is the furthest thing from reputable show breeders' minds....they spend a lot more money than they make. It's about a passion and love for the breed - NOT making money
Yep, That is what I was trying to say. And a lot of breeders on here must not be reputable because they are breeding to make some bucks. A lot of people are two-face and will appear like their babies are their world and that they are doing everything right. But then they are breeding low, low quality dogs to get money and then they may buy better quality just to be able to charge more.... I mean, why not just admit it.... 1st step is to admit it *insert 2 nods*...lol... I don't really care but I hate when people start acting like they don't make anything and if they do, they use it for only a future breeding or emergencies, when the case is that it help pay all their bills and the outfit they got one...lol.. I understand the first couple litters may help on some of the testing but what about the rest?

MyFairLacy 02-22-2008 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1791583)
A few weeks ago I was talking to this breeder about how she sales micros and she actual said that a 19year old doesn't know anything. I am be young but I can see and understand a lot more that is blind to others.
I've had a couple people say similar things to me, and it's nothing but ignorant. Age is just a number...doesn't automatically mean someone knows more or less than anyone else.

Anyone that breeds "micros" are not reputable

love_me_cody 02-22-2008 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1791596)
And that person was very wrong for saying that to you.:mad: :thumbdown But still, I can't help but think that maybe on some level you have a grudge against some 'group' as you defined it and alot of this is more aimed at them and less general converstion.:cool:

(Not that there is anything wrong with that...if you disagree with someone, you disagree.:) )
LOL ... I don't really, but a friend of mine did have a bad mishap with a breeder on here and wanted me to say a couple things on her behalf that I just blended in to my own statements.... I have a lot to say, if you could tell..lol

MyFairLacy 02-22-2008 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1791613)
Yep, That is what I was trying to say. And a lot of breeders on here must not be reputable because they are breeding to make some bucks. A lot of people are two-face and will appear like their babies are their world and that they are doing everything right. But then they are breeding low, low quality dogs to get money and then they may buy better quality just to be able to charge more.... I mean, why not just admit it.... 1st step is to admit it *insert 2 nods*...lol... I don't really care but I hate when people start acting like they don't make anything and if they do, they use it for only a future breeding or emergencies, when the case is that it help pay all their bills and the outfit they got one...lol.. I understand the first couple litters may help on some of the testing but what about the rest?
I agree...there are some unethical breeders here...there are anywhere you go. I'm kindof confused though....It sounds like you are upset a breeder on here. Are they trying to breed to their own standard or are you really okay with someone doing this?

love_me_cody 02-22-2008 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1791618)
I've had a couple people say similar things to me, and it's nothing but ignorant. Age is just a number...doesn't automatically mean someone knows more or less than anyone else.

Anyone that breeds "micros" are not reputable
I know, 1.5lbs-3lbs (maybe 4lbs if lucky) for $3000-$7000... I told her she was ripping people off and creating bad puppies.... and everyone is actually buying from her because she knows where to advertise. A place where millions go everyday... Youtube..

BamaFan121s 02-22-2008 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1791613)
Yep, That is what I was trying to say. And a lot of breeders on here must not be reputable because they are breeding to make some bucks. A lot of people are two-face and will appear like their babies are their world and that they are doing everything right. But then they are breeding low, low quality dogs to get money and then they may buy better quality just to be able to charge more.... I mean, why not just admit it.... 1st step is to admit it *insert 2 nods*...lol... I don't really care but I hate when people start acting like they don't make anything and if they do, they use it for only a future breeding or emergencies, when the case is that it help pay all their bills and the outfit they got one...lol.. I understand the first couple litters may help on some of the testing but what about the rest?
I understand what you mean here and agree, particularly the bold part. And I don't think that breeding with profit as your main purpose is right or should be done. And yes there are people who do it and lie about it because honestly, who would admit to that.
But, there are some people who DO sink alot of $$$ into their programs and never see return. Could they jack up the price and make money? Sure, but they don't.

love_me_cody 02-22-2008 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1791623)
I agree...there are some unethical breeders here...there are anywhere you go. I'm kindof confused though....It sounds like you are upset a breeder on here. Are they trying to breed to their own standard or are you really okay with someone doing this?
Oh, No... I was just saying something that a breeder of shih tzu and poodles thought at my job.... I was in you all shoes and she was in the ones I was in today. I just wanted to see what you all thought

love_me_cody 02-22-2008 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1791632)
I understand what you mean here and agree, particularly the bold part. And I don't think that breeding with profit as your main purpose is right or should be done. And yes there are people who do it and lie about it because honestly, who would admit to that.
But, there are some people who DO sink alot of $$$ into their programs and never see return. Could they jack up the price and make money? Sure, but they don't.
I know.... The sad thing is that so many people can't tell the difference.

MyFairLacy 02-22-2008 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1791629)
I know, 1.5lbs-3lbs (maybe 4lbs if lucky) for $3000-$7000... I told her she was ripping people off and creating bad puppies.... and everyone is actually buying from her because she knows where to advertise. A place where millions go everyday... Youtube..
Hmm...I do know of a breeder that advertises here that does that... Not someone I would ever buy from. I think it's aweful to breed for such tiny dogs...and also terrible to charge so much money

love_me_cody 02-22-2008 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1791639)
Hmm...I do know of a breeder that advertises here that does that... Not someone I would ever buy from. I think it's aweful to breed for such tiny dogs...and also terrible to charge so much money
Yeah we all know that person, LOL.... So many people think the more it cost the better it is, which is so not the case.

Olivier 02-22-2008 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1791634)
Oh, No... I was just saying something that a breeder of shih tzu and poodles thought at my job.... I was in you all shoes and she was in the ones I was in today. I just wanted to see what you all thought
You seems to know what a reputable breeder is , so why don't you explained it to this forum ?

MyFairLacy 02-22-2008 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1791650)
Yeah we all know that person, LOL.... So many people think the more it cost the better it is, which is so not the case.
High priced doesn't always mean better quality..that's for sure. I know a lot of show breeders sell their pet puppies for less than a lot of backyard breeders and pet stores do. EX. Britney Spears payed over $3000 for her yorkie at a petstore...someone traced those puppies back to puppymills out of Oklahoma and surrounding states. And her high-priced yorkies is no where near the quality of a yorkie I know that came from a well-known show breeder for only $800

Ladyhawk 02-22-2008 05:03 PM
The truth is some will use a forum like this to advertise. It's free and reaches alot of people. You can gain trust because you can represent yourself anyway you want. The same holds true in so many areas of media now days though. You have to really get to know the breeder. What are they doing to insure that they are breeding healthy, correct examples of the breed? Do you agree with the way that they house and socialize their dogs? Is this someone you can go to when you have questions down the road? These are questions that each consumer must ask themselves before they make such an important purchase. Education is the key in this area as well.

love_me_cody 02-22-2008 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Olivier (Post 1791651)
You seems to know what a reputable breeder is , so why don't you explained it to this forum ?
should I just post a link about YTCA codes and ethics? LOL:D that way all of it comes out right! everything in it was basically what I said in this and other threads


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