Do you breeders really make no money at all from breeding??

[SwimMom]

Originally Posted by hha

That's great, maybe he will make one fantastic Dr. but, like I said, the ones down here, where my Mom lives in IL and where my sister lives in KY, the Drs suck..

That is his intent and our great hope...

[Mya's_Mom]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Most well informed buyers will not get a dog from a pet store, as that would be supporting the puppy mills that supply them. I urge you not to try to following in the footsteps of the pet stores and market the same uninformed market--hopefully your focus is more on the types of homes your pups will be placed in and not how much you can make off the pups because 'that's what the pet stores sell them for.'
And please be aware that a dogs willingness to bark is not something handed down via the genetic highway.

It seems you missed the part where I said I have the history of Mya's family tree and that of her Sire. I keep in touch with her breeder who is a second generation breeder. I did not bother to register Mya because I did not consider breeding her. I know the people and homes that the puppies will go to. Including my Family Doctor that I have know for years. How is that following the foot steps of pet stores selling puppy mill puppies?????? I worked with humane society and I am a former foster mother to abused dogs, My vet is the same vet that cared for the Yorkie Champions in Ontario and Canada. It seems like I mention a resonable price and everything else is disreguarded. Please don't make assumptions based on ONE part of my posts.

[mypreciouspups]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

LOL...I know JUST what you mean! It is somewhat entertaining to see how many different ways ppl can come up with to find reason to talk abou their available pups.
I.e. Someone comments...I found a picture of Trixie when she was 6 months old and forgot how small she was... Then comes along someone w/, "It's hard to belive this litter I have will be that big...I can't believe they will be ready for their new homes in just 2 weeks! I just posted some new pics in the nursery."

Or someone, in conversations mentions that they might get a new dog in the summer and in comes, "I will have a litter available in the summer..."



Thank you Cpt. Obvious...lol.

I just want to say this.. I believe what is being posted is and does happen.. this one is funny how you said it...LOL

But I do want to say.. first I have not again read every page of every post..
That said.. I breed.. I do not show... I breed one litter maybe a year.. In the past I have gotten two puppy's. I did not come to YT to sell my puppies for more money. I will not sell on here.. I sell locally only.. so people can come to visit my home, and most important me and my dogs.. I have kept in touch with the owners of the 7 puppies I have had to date.. I kept one as she had to be tube fed.. and we fell in love with our gracie..
I love this forum. Love to read how others feel about different issues.. we are all individuals with our own thoughts on many issues..But what it sounds like here, is that if I had baby's.. I should not share them with yters.. as it would look like I was wanting to sell them on this site..
Now I am wondering what we really can share on here..and this is not directed at you Bamafan... But was your post that did catch my eye..
I am still pretty new.. and still seeing my way around here.. I see on a certain thread that was posted twice about the same thing.. one got good posts, the other got negative posts.. same topic.. so I say to myself what is this.. it is ok for some members to post what ever they want.. then others cannot..

Anyway all you that read this.. thanks for listening.. I am just bewildered about now...

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by hha

That's great, maybe he will make one fantastic Dr. but, like I said, the ones down here, where my Mom lives in IL and where my sister lives in KY, the Drs suck..

My doc rocks!!! ALL of them!!!!!!!!!!! AND BTW, I DO sell my puppies on here but don't make much money if any because it goes right back into the dog. What's more, I LIKE to sell my dogs here because YT'ers are the most caring, knowledgable yorkie parents anywhere. My babies couldn't be in any better hands. But, I didn't join to sell pups. In fact, if you read my first few posts, I didn't even have a yorkie when I joined.

[Sugar's Mom]

thought my post disappeared and started to post again. sorry.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Mya's_Mom

How is that following the foot steps of pet stores selling puppy mill puppies?????? It seems like I mention a resonable price and everything else is disreguarded. Please don't make assumptions based on ONE part of my posts.

And I kindly ask you not to make assumptions that because I didn't comment on every aspect of your post(s) that they were disreguarded as that was not the case. Also, please don't make assumptions that I assumed you would do anything but what is best for the puppies. I am glad that you know Mya's genetic backgroud....I would HOPE that is a given for anyone who decides to breed. I regards to my "follwing the foot steps" comment I believe that you stated that your reason for doing several things (pricing) was because that was what was common in pets stores...my point was, why would you try to mirror a pet store?

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by jencar98

LOLOL....you all, this thread has got sooooo far off topic, I had to read the title again, just to be sure. I was guilty of taking it OT also.

How did it get from do breeders make money, to whether or not doctors listen to patients? That's a rhetorical question, btw.

In a nutshell....some breeders and doctors make money and some do not.

[LuvmyYorkies2]

Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

..But what it sounds like here, is that if I had baby's.. I should not share them with yters.. as it would look like I was wanting to sell them on this site..
...

I can see if someone joins YT and their 1st or 2nd post is to sell babies...but I would rather get my next baby from a YT'er than anywhere else so I think if any of your have litters, you do post on here. Again, I would be more prone to look at those who have been active members on this board, etc. for awhile and can understand why you would want to sell to a YT'er..you know we're obviously passionate about the breed and would more than likely make a wonderful forever home for your baby. You could always check a persons previous posts also to get a sense of who they are and vice versa...but again, I feel like you should post about upcoming litters or that you may be looking to find forever homes for them...I know some just chose not to do so.

[niki35010]

I will never believe that people that have more than one female and breed them and sell their puppies for 1000-2000..does not make any money. If you show them and have to purchase all of the showing fees...etc...then maybe not but for the ones that don't show and sell their puppies for that much....MAKES NO SENSE!!!! Just say that you have 2 females and they have 4 puppies each...=8 puppies..and say that you sell each of them for $1000 ea. You made $8000....ok say that they have a c-section and that was 2000....you still have $6000....You made money!!!!!!!!

[Brooklynn]

I go by the YTCA code of ethics and therefore I do not post available puppies on this forum or online or the newspaper ect.... I also do not say when I'm expecting a litter, I may say something after I have a litter but usually when I mention it the puppies are almost 3 months old. I usually already have a waiting list for a litter.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

I just want to say this.. I believe what is being posted is and does happen.. But what it sounds like here, is that if I had baby's.. I should not share them with yters.. as it would look like I was wanting to sell them on this site..

No, not at all what I think people were getting at. I *think* that people are referring to those who join and their ONLY posts they EVER make is to sell pups. Or people who hijack other's threads to sell their pups. Then you never hear from them again. I mean, if that is the ONLY think you ever post about...it's pretty obvious why you are here.

You however, clearly do not fit that description.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by niki35010

I will never believe that people that have more than one female and breed them and sell their puppies for 1000-2000..does not make any money. If you show them and have to purchase all of the showing fees...etc...then maybe not but for the ones that don't show and sell their puppies for that much....MAKES NO SENSE!!!! Just say that you have 2 females and they have 4 puppies each...=8 puppies..and say that you sell each of them for $1000 ea. You made $8000....ok say that they have a c-section and that was 2000....you still have $6000....You made money!!!!!!!!

If you are doing it for the betterment of the breed then you have to remember there are shots, food, testing, bedding, electricity, water, more vet bills, tail docking and dewclaws, stud fees, ect....so that amount drops yet again. What if a puppy gets sick that's another vet appt and the gas you have to pay to go to the vet. What if you keep those pups longer than planned, more food, water, bedding ect...amount drops again....ok say you got about 4000 left then with that you have to reinvest in the next litter and pay more stud fees, vet bills and by the end of the year I'm willing to bet you didn't actually make money...
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[Yorkieluv]

Originally Posted by SwimMom

Again...back to my son. Even after missing nearly an entire year of school due to illness, he worked to complete that year in record time, graduated a full year early with an extra 12 credits over the requirement for an Honors degree, top of his class of 1,200 students, also an athletic Letterman and a student leader. He received more scholarship offers that any other individual in the history of his school and got a 10 minute standing ovation during the schools award ceremony. So, again...I beg to differ.

But, this isn't about my son. This is about the idea that there are some extremely qualified people that go into the medical field. These same individuals often go above and beyond the call of duty on a daily basis. And for that I am eternally grateful!

If the Doctors in your area aren't meeting your satisfaction, perhaps you might choose to travel to an area that will meet your needs when required.

Thank you for sharing your experience with wonderful doctors

I am appalled at the way that all doctors are being categorized into money hungry people...That really upsets me.

Many doctors don't even make much money. I know a lot of family medicine doctors who work 60+ hours a week and still only make $45,000. They could have become a million other things if they wanted to...Spent a LOT less in schooling, and been done many,many years before. Instead they chose to get $200,000 in debt just to go to school to do what they want, make a difference, and help people.

First of all, getting into med school is extremely difficult...Once you're in, it's hard to keep up...It's not a leisurely road to take, and not everyone is in it for the money because honestly, most are not making that much money.

Also, malpractice insurance rates are through the roof!! Those who have their own practice sometimes pay out more than they take in!

Another thing is that doctors are restricted on what they can and can't recommend because of insurance companies...It's not the doctors fault. Just like in any field, there are some people who aren't going to meet your expectations...That does not mean that they should all be placed in the same categories.

Sorry, I just realized this was totally off-topic!!

[hha]

Originally Posted by SwimMom

That is his intent and our great hope...

Well, I do wish him all the luck..We could sure use some good Drs these days..

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by hha

Vets make a very good living..Just like Drs. and believe me, Drs these days are ONLY in it for the money..they don't listen to one word you say these days, all they can see is $ signs...and, I don't think accidents are going to "happen" if they're spayed or neutered at 5-6 mos. this way if they need teeth pulled, they DON"T have to go in twice and be put under..so, that can mean they're in it for the money if you take them and have them spayed at 3 mos. then turn around 3 mos. later and have them put under again..that's 2 surgeries(they get paid twice..)

Vets that do not own their own practice make between $40,000 and $80,000 a year. $40,000 is far from a lot of money considering they went to school for 8 years and have at least $75,000-$100,000 in loans to pay off.

Some doctors and vets may very well be in it for money but some aren't. They enjoy what they do. Ellie's vet likes the idea of a non-profit vet office but that isn't something she can do. That doesn't seem too money hungry to me. After all is said and done and the electricity, building and equipment bills are paid and the vet assistants, vet techs, vets and receptionists are paid and they buy the latest and best equipment, they make way less than they should.

I have a hard time believing that Ellie's vet is in it for money. She has even talked to someone on her cell phone for me while doing something with one of her family members on at home time and she was not getting paid for it...


I do agree that an animal shouldn't be spayed or neutered til 5 or 6 months though. It isn't so much that my view is supported by science but I would want baby teeth pulled at the same time and a bile acid test run first. If the bile acid test was abnormal, a liver biopsy could be done at the time of spay/neuter and I'd want the dog to be older...