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MyFairLacy 02-24-2008 01:55 PM
If I was a breeder I wouldn't sell to someone with young children. I know several people have young children and yorkies and it works, and I know adults can hurt the yorkies as well...but the fact is, a young child around a yorkie increases its risk of getting hurt. If I were placing a puppy, I'd put it in a home that I thought was the least risk for a puppy.

Lacy normally is not around children but when she has been, she's been find around them. Once, we had a big surprise party for my grandmother at my parents house, and my cousins brought their young children. Two were very well-behaved and left the dogs alone. The other two were constantly trying to chase them. Lacy was smart and knew how to get out of their way, but Rylie kept getting caught and they were trying to pick him up (and he did NOT like that at all). I finally had to just hold Lacy and Rylie most of the time until the kids left.

hha 02-24-2008 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1796642)
I have to disagree with you. Most good vets are spaying/neutering earlier than 6 months of age. College Station is loaded with veterinarians, as well as having the #3 vet school in the country. Most of the vets here will spay/neuter starting at 12-16 weeks of age
So, none of our vets are good here???I've talked to a few of them, they all say the same thing, it's best to wait on these small dogs...they cringe to think they have to spay/neuter these puppies from the shelter, they don't like doing it...And yes, the vets here ARE good...I don't myself, believe in spaying or neutering them that early either...there is no reason to have to spay or neuter them at such a young age..

hha 02-24-2008 02:01 PM
Most likely Riley didn't like it, because he's never been socialized around children, and socializing them with children is very good...mine are all fantastic with my g-kids, even 4 1/2 pound Ginger is all over them when they come over...kids and dogs are actually very good for eachother...

TeddyandTiffy 02-24-2008 02:05 PM
We adopted Clyde to a family with a younger child who was 5, they had a Dachshund and Clyde was going to be larger Yorkie! When I myself said I wouldn't adopt to a home with younger children I mean like toddlers!! They can and do fall on puppies any puppy my granddaughter at age 2 does it even tho she herself has been around our Yorkies since her birth!! I would never ever attempt to have babies or toddlers with raising Yorkies and I don't see how U all with them can do it and I look up to U for doing it...I just know I have 2 younger children ages 9 & 12 and 5 yorkies and I keep my Yorkies as clean as I do my children with doing their hair and cleaning their area that they live in with that being said is a job in itself!! I couldn't imagen changin' diapers, burping, being up all night with infants and running with toddlers all day long and taking care of Yorkies...And yeah when I have to go somewhere to my part time job or run to the store I myself have to get up like 2 hours earlier to get my Yorkies cleaned and up and going let alone myself, so needless to say I don't wear makeup and my hair stays in a pony tail here at home lol! I guess I want my Yorkies to be nicer looking then myself lol!! And I never go visit anyone I'm lucky if I go see my parents!!

MyFairLacy 02-24-2008 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by hha (Post 1796665)
So, none of our vets are good here???I've talked to a few of them, they all say the same thing, it's best to wait on these small dogs...they cringe to think they have to spay/neuter these puppies from the shelter, they don't like doing it...And yes, the vets here ARE good...I don't myself, believe in spaying or neutering them that early either...there is no reason to have to spay or neuter them at such a young age..
I didn't say none of the vets are good there...which is why I said MOST good vets..not all..every vet does things their own way. Some are comfortable with early spay/neuter, some aren't. I tend to agree with the ones that are. I think early spay/neuters would stop a lot of "accidents" from happening and keep people from breeding dogs that were sold with limited registration. I guess I feel the opposite - there really is no reason NOT to spay/neuter that early

MyFairLacy 02-24-2008 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hha (Post 1796674)
Most likely Riley didn't like it, because he's never been socialized around children, and socializing them with children is very good...mine are all fantastic with my g-kids, even 4 1/2 pound Ginger is all over them when they come over...kids and dogs are actually very good for eachother...
I guess... I don't plan to have any children so it doesn't really matter if my dogs are socialized with them or not.

011011 02-24-2008 02:09 PM
I would have to say most good vets would not spay at 12-14- weeks especially a small yorkie or smaller breeds! My vet wouldnt touch them at that age and he has been a vet for 30 plus years!
I know some will just for the money not for the health of the dog.

MyFairLacy 02-24-2008 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 011011 (Post 1796706)
I would have to say most good vets would not spay at 12-14- weeks especially a small yorkie or smaller breeds! My vet wouldnt touch them at that age and he has been a vet for 30 plus years!
I know some will just for the money not for the health of the dog.
There's no more money in it for spaying early as opposed to spaying later. In fact, most vets charge more to spay an older puppy than a younger puppy as the organs are more mature. I hate when I hear people say vets do something just for the money...believe me, if vets were in it just for the money they wouldn't be a vet :rolleyes:

MindieRose 02-24-2008 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 1796686)
We adopted Clyde to a family with a younger child who was 5, they had a Dachshund and Clyde was going to be larger Yorkie! When I myself said I wouldn't adopt to a home with younger children I mean like toddlers!! They can and do fall on puppies any puppy my granddaughter at age 2 does it even tho she herself has been around our Yorkies since her birth!! I would never ever attempt to have babies or toddlers with raising Yorkies and I don't see how U all with them can do it and I look up to U for doing it...I just know I have 2 younger children ages 9 & 12 and 5 yorkies and I keep my Yorkies as clean as I do my children with doing their hair and cleaning their area that they live in with that being said is a job in itself!! I couldn't imagen changin' diapers, burping, being up all night with infants and running with toddlers all day long and taking care of Yorkies...And yeah when I have to go somewhere to my part time job or run to the store I myself have to get up like 2 hours earlier to get my Yorkies cleaned and up and going let alone myself, so needless to say I don't wear makeup and my hair stays in a pony tail here at home lol! I guess I want my Yorkies to be nicer looking then myself lol!! And I never go visit anyone I'm lucky if I go see my parents!!
I should clarify that I dont show my dogs or anything. My dogs are just pretty much, well, dogs, lol. They have free run of the house and just play all day. I really dont have to get up in the morning and do anything with them other than let them out to go potty and feed them. I get up at 6 am everyday, get a cup of coffee and read online till 630 ;) , wake the kids, get the kids breakfast and to school by 745, come home, clean house and take care of the 2 (or 3 depending on the day) kids I have at home with me, do any running, pick up the kids at 245, help with homework, cook dinner, clean up and feed dogs again (and goat, lol, 4-h project), family time and off to bed. I dont need consecutive hours to care for my dogs. They get bathed as needed (right now its every couple of weeks, come spring it will be more often because of the mud), and brushed out as needed or whenever someone wants to (the kids love to!).

hha 02-24-2008 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1796718)
There's no more money in it for spaying early as opposed to spaying later. In fact, most vets charge more to spay an older puppy than a younger puppy as the organs are more mature. I hate when I hear people say vets do something just for the money...believe me, if vets were in it just for the money they wouldn't be a vet :rolleyes:
Vets make a very good living..Just like Drs. and believe me, Drs these days are ONLY in it for the money..they don't listen to one word you say these days, all they can see is $ signs...and, I don't think accidents are going to "happen" if they're spayed or neutered at 5-6 mos. this way if they need teeth pulled, they DON"T have to go in twice and be put under..so, that can mean they're in it for the money if you take them and have them spayed at 3 mos. then turn around 3 mos. later and have them put under again..that's 2 surgeries(they get paid twice..)

011011 02-24-2008 02:22 PM
The bigger clinics around here do charge more than the smaller vets. So to say they get more money ya they do,and care if they spay to early nope they do not!
You would not find a good vet around here who would spay a pup under 4 months especially the smaller breeds and mostly for health reasons.
Dosent cost anymore around here to spay at 12 weeks or 10 years.So more money for those vets in your area if you wait I guess!

kathrynS 02-24-2008 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 1795629)
Why would I breed a yorkie if I wasn't out to make money??? Well when I started out I just wanted a Yorkie to love and care for!! I have 4 daughters 2 who are grown, 2 still young I choose not to have anymore children and my last daughter was in school and I was feeling lonely even tho I worked part time so we got Teddy and I wanted a female to start with but the breeder we got him from didn't have any, so we found Tiffanie and I choose to breed for I wanted to care for them as I did my children!!! Why do some of us have children??? Do we intend on making money off of our children??? Why no, we spend more on our children then anything we've ever had in our lifetimes. It's the love of the breed, the joy they give U when U have helped deliver a beautiful litter of babies, it's such as the joy of U giving birth to your children, this love is a love that no other can ever fill, it's a passion that grown from deep within, it's the moments when U do find the best loving homes where your babies (We had all "Pet/Companion Quality" babies) are loved and cherished, some people out here live for their yorkies and yes would die for them, I know I do and would, but I also would do the same for my children, it's knowing that you've gave others love pure lasting love, there are people who can't have children, just lost a spouse, just lost other animals and those who are elderly who has NO ONE and NOTHING to live for, people who are depressed and so lonely and grieving from life itself and our Yorkies give them that reason to get up a face another day!!! This is just SOME of the reasons I breed and maybe in others eyes I do breed for the wrong reasons and that is fine too but for me it's not for the money!! I gave 4Yorkies away no money made there in giving, There is no money to be made in breeding and raising yorkies, if done for the right reasons it's LOVE pure LOVE, what price do people put on love??? There is no price for LOVE!!!
Has anyone thought how the poor mommy feels about giving birth time after time only to have her babies taking away from her. That would be the day I would give birth and someone tried to take my baby away. Thats why I would never breed. Because my pup is a member of my family. I could never give or sell their children. It would be like selling one of my grandchildren. You say you would die for your yorkies. But you don't think about how much it hurts them when you sell or give their children away.

jencar98 02-24-2008 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hha
Most good vets, won't spay or neuter until they're between 5-6 mos. The animal shelters do have them spayed/neutered as 6-8 weeks, but, that's the way they have to do it..


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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1796642)
I have to disagree with you. Most good vets are spaying/neutering earlier than 6 months of age. College Station is loaded with veterinarians, as well as having the #3 vet school in the country. Most of the vets here will spay/neuter starting at 12-16 weeks of age

Thank you for posting this. I knew that I disagreed with hha's statement as my Reno had a wonderful vet that did neuter him at 14 weeks. His breeder took care of this before I ever got him, as she does with all of her pet placements. I appreciated it too, as it was less worry for me later.

If I were to ever consider breeding, this would be my policy too. No way would I put my heart, soul, time and hard work into raising my own line, to have some unscrupulous byb come along take my dogs and raise pups to sell.
And, it is a cost I would add on to the price of the pup.

MyFairLacy 02-24-2008 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by hha (Post 1796743)
Vets make a very good living..Just like Drs. and believe me, Drs these days are ONLY in it for the money..they don't listen to one word you say these days, all they can see is $ signs...and, I don't think accidents are going to "happen" if they're spayed or neutered at 5-6 mos. this way if they need teeth pulled, they DON"T have to go in twice and be put under..so, that can mean they're in it for the money if you take them and have them spayed at 3 mos. then turn around 3 mos. later and have them put under again..that's 2 surgeries(they get paid twice..)
Whatever...believe what you want :rolleyes:

SwimMom 02-24-2008 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hha (Post 1796743)
Vets make a very good living..Just like Drs. and believe me, Drs these days are ONLY in it for the money..they don't listen to one word you say these days, all they can see is $ signs...and, I don't think accidents are going to "happen" if they're spayed or neutered at 5-6 mos. this way if they need teeth pulled, they DON"T have to go in twice and be put under..so, that can mean they're in it for the money if you take them and have them spayed at 3 mos. then turn around 3 mos. later and have them put under again..that's 2 surgeries(they get paid twice..)
That is a really broad statement and I'm sad that you feel that way about Doctors only being in the business for the money. My son is pre-med at Rice University and has wanted to be a Doctor since the time that he could articulate his thoughts. His words at 8 years of age, "I want to be able to make a difference in peoples lives". Two years ago he went through a major health crisis that had him in and out of the hospital for nearly a year. All during this time he re-established his desire to go into the medical field in order to serve his community. Granted, he is still in school now and has yet to hang his medical license. But. I can assure you that there are many people out there that have honorable and authentic intentions when they serve to heal.


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