First time breeding??

[Jeri Cunningham]

Wow not only is it important to wait until the third heat to breed but size is very important.
My Chelsey in my avatar is beautiful and would have made wonderful puppies but even at 4.3 lbs the vet felt she had a very small reproduction area and would be at risk being bred. I immediately had her fixed. She is still around 4.5 lbs and almost two.

Lots of people say "Oh you should have bred her" NO way she is too small and I could never have taken the chance on losing her!

I wish you the best of luck with your little girl and her puppies but I never would have taken a chance

[Jeri Cunningham]

Oh also I have a 9 month old girl that I kept to bred and it looks like she may be to tiny also at 4.6 lbs so unless she grows in the next year it will be no puppies for her either.

Little Kayla Sue may or may not be a mom only time and the vet will tell. By the third heat I'll know for sure. I will not bred her unless my vet whom I trust says it is a go.

[hha]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Ya know, I gotta ask...why would any reputable breeder have placed such a small girl with you and allowed her to go on open registration so that she could be bred--I would think to protect her based on her size alone. Was she not placed w/ an s/n agreement?

I just re=read, and I don't think her breeder is reputable..I read where the mother of this little 9 mo is also 3 lbs and she has 2 litters a year..for one thing, when you breed, you can do it back to back, then skip a year, or every other heat cycle..to me, that's NOT a reputable breeder...I look at my little 3 1/2 lb 5 mo old and it just breaks my heart.. to me, my little girl is tiny and I could never put her through anything like that, I love her too much

[Tiramisu]

Originally Posted by TinyBit

First of all i believe the breeder that she and My Duke came from IS a reputable breeder. Lacie was going to be used by her as a breeder until she sold her to me.
Second: I talked with THREE Vets. 2 who specializes in small dogs. and THREE Breeders and they all said that she would be ok with her size. Do none of you ever have small females breed?????
Third: I did not do this with out any information. I have read many books and read this section on YT. I have a breeder close by to help me with details also. I just thought I'd get information from you all also. So thank you for you time and advice.

I will watch her close. And take extra care with her and the pups. But I'm excited and will enjoy the pups.
Thank you again, Dawn

I'd never condemn you for breeding anything, but I don't understand why you're asking these questions if you've conferred with so many vets and breeders. If you've already asked them these questions, how many answers do you need?

HONESTLY - Good luck with your litter!

[EmrldShdwQueen]

I just have to say that I'm SO worried about this little girl! I've been thinking about this ever since the OP, and I just feel so bad for her...

TinyBit, I know she is your dog and you do have the right to do whatever you want, but PLEASE PLEASE read all this advice...most of these posts AREN'T meant to offend you, only help you and your little girl. You DID ask what the dangers were, am I right? I hope you're not taking offense to all of this, and I hope you aren't just rolling your eyes at everyone's comments (I am not accusing you of anything) or skipping through people who don't agree with you.

Your little girl really needs to be spayed, ESPECIALLY at her age. Please google something about small dogs being bred too early and all the issues it can cause. She is STILL a baby herself!! You're asking for knowledge and opinions, so please girl, consider everything you're being told!! Many of these breeders here have been doing this a LONG time, and have had many tragedies throughout...and even I, a young adult, have heard of several horror stories that start out like this! My little Sophie is 3 1/2 lbs at 8 months, and she is just NOT built to have puppies. 3 lb dogs should NEVER have been bred, but unfortunately it runs rampant these days...but you should know that it is IRRESPONSIBLE! If you REALLY want to breed, please terminate this pregnancy and get your TINY girl spayed, and then talk to some reputable breeders here on YT or in your area that are willing to sell you a standard size female (5-7 lbs) who will be big enough to breed with your male.

Sweetie, we are NOT trying to be hateful, only trying to save the life of your little girl, your BABY whom you've had since she was only a few months old, from having horrible complications and/or dying during a birth that should NEVER happen! I'm sorry if ANY of this has come across as ugly or mean, that's not my intention. I just want you to REALLY think about this before you go through with it. If you want to talk, feel free to PM me anytime!

[Tammyh]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

One must understand that there are few vets that specialize on Yorkies or Toy breeds. So, I understand that your vet would tell you that it was ok to breed on your pups first cycle. However, he gave you incorrect advice for your yorkie. Never breed on their first cycle.....18 months of age or 2nd Season.

I'm truely concerned at the small size of your female......and I will say, the lack of information and education you acquired prior to entering the breeding world.

X-rays should not be performed on your female until a week before her whelping date. I have them done on my girls, just to assist me in knowing their position and skeletal size...not always accurate, but it helps me to be better prepared when the blessed event happens.

Good Luck

I don't think it matters what breed of dog, I've always been told you should always wait until at least the second cycle to breed. We've always had labs and that was the rule of thumb there (we never did breed any). Regardless of the breed they're still not mature. I feel bad that the OP was given bad advice.

[teffiemoore]

Frequency of Breeding
Ideally, a bitch should only be bred every other year and she should not be bred much before two years of age. The season closest to the second birthday is a good one to start with; certainly no earlier than this. In some breeds, you may need to wait one more season before beginning. By this time, she is better prepared mentally for having puppies than she would have been with her first few seasons. Her physical growth is complete and pregnancy at this point won't endanger her health, provided that she is healthy to begin with.


It's important, however, to keep the frequency of breeding low. Even at maximum, you want to allow at least one unbred season between breedings. This allows your bitch to rest and regain her strength. A bitch that whelps too often will produce weaker puppies more likely to die, and the repeated pregnancies are pretty rough on her, too.
http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/breedi...i_breed_my_dog

Here are some facts written by an author that did research about breeding dogs and being on the "safe side"....thats the best decision when breeding is how can this be done for the best interest of the breed and the dog...not lets step out of the box whether its ethical or not and then try and find someone, ANYONE, to support what I'm doing here...you'll always find that someone...it doesn't make it ethical, safe, correct or right! If you truely have the best interest of you baby at heart, you'll have her spayed now and not wait for the crap shoot. IF you don't, then you need to find another group to support what your doing here.....now go do the right thing!

[tumismom]

i dont know anything about breeding but i have to say i am worried about the girl. Tumi and gracie are 3.5lb and 4lb and both spayed and i can never ever put them in that dangerous situation. they seem sooooo small to be breeding. And i can honestly say i will never ever buy a puppy from a breeder that breed their pups from small dam and small sire, not to mention both are still babies themselves.

[MIZBROWN]

Just wanted to say best of luck to you and I hope all goes well with your pups. We all make mistakes and the great thing is that we can learn from them as well

[Tammyh]

Originally Posted by MIZBROWN

Just wanted to say best of luck to you and I hope all goes well with your pups. We all make mistakes and the great thing is that we can learn from them as well

Ditto!

[Sharonandtink]

This makes me want to cry. The poor babies. OP I hope that you are listening. Not to just us but the little girl that is being put in harms way. She is too small and it could cost her life and that is the most important thing. No joking there.

[MeganS]

OP, I would like to know what you are going to do? You came on and upset everyone, then you only came back to cry at us for not being nice. So what will you do? Are you going to put your dogs life in danger? Or did you do the intelligent, humane thing, and have her spayed? I hope and pray that you stopped thinking about what you want to do, and did what's in her best interest.

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by MeganS

OP, I would like to know what you are going to do? You came on and upset everyone, then you only came back to cry at us for not being nice. So what will you do? Are you going to put your dogs life in danger? Or did you do the intelligent, humane thing, and have her spayed? I hope and pray that you stopped thinking about what you want to do, and did what's in her best interest.

she posted this on another thread

"I am sorry about any hard feeling that has risen because of Lacie's condition.
I am greatful to everyone here for your help.
I do reget that she is going to have puppies so young but I can not consider aborting unless the vet says it is life or death for her. I will keep a close eye on her and keep in close contact with the vet. I use two different vet, she will be seeing the one that is most experience with small breeds and has done delierey with yorkies before. Both natural and c-section."

so she will not be spaying the female or aborting the babies.

[parker]

Originally Posted by MIZBROWN

Just wanted to say best of luck to you and I hope all goes well with your pups. We all make mistakes and the great thing is that we can learn from them as well

I agree!

[teffiemoore]

Originally Posted by kalina82

she posted this on another thread

"I am sorry about any hard feeling that has risen because of Lacie's condition.
I am greatful to everyone here for your help.
I do reget that she is going to have puppies so young but I can not consider aborting unless the vet says it is life or death for her. I will keep a close eye on her and keep in close contact with the vet. I use two different vet, she will be seeing the one that is most experience with small breeds and has done delierey with yorkies before. Both natural and c-section."

so she will not be spaying the female or aborting the babies.

Since the decision has been made to continue with whelping these pups....I honestly hope the ones involved can try and get a crash course in what to watch for before and during delivery and how to care for the pups if the Mom doesn't bond...Again I have already seen this site posted but Deb Jenson's site covers all of this....Kimberly King has a perm. sticky note here on how to care for a fading pup...Any and all information that can be gathered will be valuable to better the outcome! Best of luck!