do you vaccinate!!!

[Yorkiesforever]

I do agreeabout vacinating myself and only doing rabies at the vet, but I am chicken to do the shot myself.

[journey826]

as this will be my first time but they give you step by step directions and pictures. I feel I have no alternative with the vets by me.I swear if its not one thing its another and as soon as I think I found one I like they do something I cannot tolerate. BUT after you do it the first time you should be fine.thats what I am hoping

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by journey826

as this will be my first time but they give you step by step directions and pictures. I feel I have no alternative with the vets by me.I swear if its not one thing its another and as soon as I think I found one I like they do something I cannot tolerate. BUT after you do it the first time you should be fine.thats what I am hoping

Not hard at all....easier if you have someone hold for you though.

[fannie]

It's definitely not hard at all. If I have a particularly squirmy puppy and no one to hold, I kneel down on the floor, put the puppy between my knees so it can't squirm. Seems to work like a charm.

[fannie]

Mardelin, if I'm giving Vanguard Plus 5 at 8, 12 & 16 weeks, what should be given at 6 months? I have never vaccinated for kennel cough... never had it so I guess I didn't worry about it. Is this something I should vaccinate for?

I've also been vaccinating my adults with the Vanguard Plus 5 once a year. Am I reading the new protocol correctly that it's not needed?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by fannie

Mardelin, if I'm giving Vanguard Plus 5 at 8, 12 & 16 weeks, what should be given at 6 months? I have never vaccinated for kennel cough... never had it so I guess I didn't worry about it. Is this something I should vaccinate for?

I've also been vaccinating my adults with the Vanguard Plus 5 once a year. Am I reading the new protocol correctly that it's not needed?

I give the Vanguard plus 5 at 8, 12 and 16 weeks and a booster at a year. I recommend that titers be done...to insure their immunities are there.....just for peace of mind....

The Kennel cough I give with the first vaccination at 8 weeks, and once a year thereafter....that is unless I'm showing a dog...then it's every 6 months....

This is what I do....but, everyone has to do what is best for them......I do believe that pups have their mother's immunities and shouldn't be immunized prior to 8 weeks of age.....as it doesn't do anything but suppress those immunities and that over vaccinating can create a multitude of problems later in life.

[Mardelin]

Here's some more info

PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY:
Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces immunity, which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory cells induced.

Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and immune-mediated haemolytic anaemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines.

Puppies receive antibodies through their mother’s milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced.

Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, DELAY the timing of the first highly effective vaccine.

Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart SUPPRESS rather than stimulate the Immune system.

A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age.

Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year and 4 months will provide lifetime immunity.

There is also a Canine Rabies Challange Study being conducted.

One of the most important vaccine research studies in veterinary medicine is underway at the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine inMadison. Dr. Ronald Schultz, a leading authority on veterinary vaccines and Chair of the Department of Pathobiological Sciences, has begun concurrent 5 and 7 year challenge studies to determine the long-term duration of immunity of the canine rabies vaccine,with the goal of extending the state-mandated interval for boosters. Thesewill be the first long-term challenge studies on the canine rabies vaccine to be published in theUnited States.

[Sugar's Mom]

Well, I don't mean to start controversy but regardless of what the research says, I have seen our Beagle puppies die from Coronavirus. It acts the same way as Parvo and can wipe out a whole litter. If a tiny puppy gets corona, the puppy might be dead before the three days is up. I am speaking from our own experience over these forty years we have raised Beagles. If, by chance, the vet can save the puppy, often the virus has affected its brain as well as everything else. It might depend on the region you live in which viruses are prevalent. Just last year a member from Indiana posted a news article on here about a widespread outbreak of corona in Indiana that was killing scores of puppies. So, based on our own experience, All our Beagles and Yorkies will continue to get the coronavirus injection. Good thing about it, it is in with the five way so it's only one shot. Not discounting you Mary or any of the wonderful info you publish. Most of time, it is great and we all appreciate what you do for us. I am just recounting our own experience as breeders for all these years. It's kind of like when I was in nursing school, many years ago. You can read everything about nursing, go to classes and etc. but you really don't know until you start working and sometimes, it is a lot different from what the books say. As far as Lepto, we don't give it. Neither does our vet.

[MyTrixie143]

Originally Posted by journey826

as this will be my first time but they give you step by step directions and pictures. I feel I have no alternative with the vets by me.I swear if its not one thing its another and as soon as I think I found one I like they do something I cannot tolerate. BUT after you do it the first time you should be fine.thats what I am hoping

I have thought about vaccinating mine myself but I am not sure exactly how to do it. I was going to ask my vet but I am not sure they will show me since they won't agree with me vaccinating them myself even if I bring them in yearly for a check up and the rabies when they need it.
So do they have something that will walk you through it?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Well, I don't mean to start controversy but regardless of what the research says, I have seen our Beagle puppies die from Coronavirus. It acts the same way as Parvo and can wipe out a whole litter. If a tiny puppy gets corona, the puppy might be dead before the three days is up. I am speaking from our own experience over these forty years we have raised Beagles. If, by chance, the vet can save the puppy, often the virus has affected its brain as well as everything else. It might depend on the region you live in which viruses are prevalent. Just last year a member from Indiana posted a news article on here about a widespread outbreak of corona in Indiana that was killing scores of puppies. So, based on our own experience, All our Beagles and Yorkies will continue to get the coronavirus injection. Good thing about it, it is in with the five way so it's only one shot. Not discounting you Mary or any of the wonderful info you publish. Most of time, it is great and we all appreciate what you do for us. I am just recounting our own experience as breeders for all these years. It's kind of like when I was in nursing school, many years ago. You can read everything about nursing, go to classes and etc. but you really don't know until you start working and sometimes, it is a lot different from what the books say. As far as Lepto, we don't give it. Neither does our vet.

As I said in an earlier post...everyone has to go with their own experiences and do what they think what is best for them and the region they live in.. And over vaccination can cause problems as they grow older......

I do know that my mentor basis alot of what she does based on her experiences, but so much has transpired and evolved in her 40+ years of breeding yorkies......I do know that I don't let my pups out until their 2nd vaccinations....and my mother is not allowed out on grass until she has weaned her pups.....and when she's brought back in I tend to be overly cautious....even though my dogs are in a controlled environment, I make sure her feet and undercarriage are completely washed before putting her back with the pups....

[journey826]

SUGARS MOM I can agree with you on that and I will have to do more research as to how commom the corona virus is in my area. MY TRIXIE I hear you and that is my delima but yes on any of the web sites you can buy your vaccines from they give you detailed step by step instructions. and MARDELIN my girl would not go inside at all period,so I had to let her out although I did wipe her down.but that scares me to no end now what you have said.The pups all seem healthy eating good no problems with anything other than my tinest weighing 2oz's at birth is now about the same size as the the second largest

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

As I said in an earlier post...everyone has to go with their own experiences and do what they think what is best for them and the region they live in.. And over vaccination can cause problems as they grow older......

I do know that my mentor basis alot of what she does based on her experiences, but so much has transpired and evolved in her 40+ years of breeding yorkies......I do know that I don't let my pups out until their 2nd vaccinations....and my mother is not allowed out on grass until she has weaned her pups.....and when she's brought back in I tend to be overly cautious....even though my dogs are in a controlled environment, I make sure her feet and undercarriage are completely washed before putting her back with the pups....

Mary, I think it is more of a regional problem. Does it seem that way to you? My puppies are not on the ground at all until 12 weeks and sometimes, not even then. Depends on the time of year it is. But the big dogs are. I guess I need to be more cautious about that.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Mary, I think it is more of a regional problem. Does it seem that way to you? My puppies are not on the ground at all until 12 weeks and sometimes, not even then. Depends on the time of year it is. But the big dogs are. I guess I need to be more cautious about that.

I do know with the high winds in California....all of a sudden there have been outbreaks of Parvo.....but, one must be up on why....find out what is behind it. How the dogs that obtained it were handled, where had they been, were the owners cautious...removing shoes, clothing, etc before handling the pups....did they have their full set of innoculations (I know that this isn't a guarantee that they won't get the dreaded parvo, corona, etc).....We as owners can bring it in from the outside....my pups don't leave my bedroom until their first innoculation.....then the socializing begins in the kitchen with mother and then other females....and those girls are cared for as the dam.....I know we can't put them in a bubble....all we can do is take precautions.

I know that when leaving a dog show, I wipe down all my equipment with anti bacterial wipes....husband scrubs them down when I get home....I don't enter the dog area until I've taken a shower.....Yeah! I'm a bit anal.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I do know with the high winds in California....all of a sudden there have been outbreaks of Parvo.....but, one must be up on why....find out what is behind it. How the dogs that obtained it were handled, where had they been, were the owners cautious...removing shoes, clothing, etc before handling the pups....did they have their full set of innoculations (I know that this isn't a guarantee that they won't get the dreaded parvo, corona, etc).....We as owners can bring it in from the outside....my pups don't leave my bedroom until their first innoculation.....then the socializing begins in the kitchen with mother and then other females....and those girls are cared for as the dam.....I know we can't put them in a bubble....all we can do is take precautions.

I know that when leaving a dog show, I wipe down all my equipment with anti bacterial wipes....husband scrubs them down when I get home....I don't enter the dog area until I've taken a shower.....Yeah! I'm a bit anal.

No, you are just cuaitous. I had never thoughtof doing those things when showing since I have just started. makes sense to me because even tho my girl held her pee until she was in front of the judges, I had her out on the grounds several times before her turn in the ring. About two or three days after we got home from the show, she had diarreha that took me a week or so to get her over it. Nothing else. Just the runs. None of the other dogs had anything and did not catch anything from her so I figured she must have picked up a bug at the show. I will be more careful from now on. of course, right now, i don't have all the equipement you take with you but i will wipe what I have down and her too when she goes outside. heck, what is even the point of taking her out if she is going to pee in the ring, right?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

No, you are just cuaitous. I had never thoughtof doing those things when showing since I have just started. makes sense to me because even tho my girl held her pee until she was in front of the judges, I had her out on the grounds several times before her turn in the ring. About two or three days after we got home from the show, she had diarreha that took me a week or so to get her over it. Nothing else. Just the runs. None of the other dogs had anything and did not catch anything from her so I figured she must have picked up a bug at the show. I will be more careful from now on. of course, right now, i don't have all the equipement you take with you but i will wipe what I have down and her too when she goes outside. heck, what is even the point of taking her out if she is going to pee in the ring, right?

I have a suggestion. I usually don't take mine out on public grounds for potty breaks....I travel with a drop pen (Central metal, I take the bottom out so they are lighter weight) they fold down very nicely and I place a potty pad under them.

As for your little girl dirreah, could have been nervous stomach......I have a girl that throughout her show career....from the time I took her out until the day she retired......would be fine monday through friday.....come saturday, just before show time, she'd start with the squirts. I traveled with my mentor, and she insisted it was the food.....I wasn't buying it, since she was fine during the week. One weekend she had the squirts, followed by bright red blood....I gave her some medication, but Monday I got her to the vet.....what we found out is that all this time she had a nervous stomach, what he described as show jitters. He gave me a prescription for flagyl.....suggested that I give her 1/4 tablet on the day we began travel and 1/4 tablet every day until we returned......no, problems.

I also wipe their feet when we get back from the ring. These lil guys are so clean and have a tendancy to lick their feet.