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Old 08-24-2007, 06:55 PM   #1
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I have a quick question about color faults. In the AKC standard for the Yorkshire Terrier, it states, "There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan." I often see pictures of dogs that are being shown that have black hair mingled in their top knot. Is that not a fault? I guess I must be confused somehow..
This is what I mean. This puppy is not a show dog, but has the black hair mingled in the top knot.
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I use to wonder that too when i first started showing because there was a CH on the front cover of the YT Mag with definite intermingling in his topknot.
I have learned some clear later in some lines and I have learned some never clear. But you have to remember every dog has a fault or faults because there is no perfect dog.
I questioned this too. I know some who would not show it and I know some who would.

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You will indeed see that alot of times when a young pup or young adult is being shown. The "thumbprint" is sometimes apparent until well into one year of age before breaking into gold.
Not a fault if within the age bracket for the "trait".

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Actually it isn't listed in the standard as a fault.
My other breed Cavalier King Charles Spaniels the standard coloring lists
Faults - Heavy ticking on Blenheims or Tricolors, white marks on Rubies or Black and Tans.


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You will indeed see that alot of times when a young pup or young adult is being shown. The "thumbprint" is sometimes apparent until well into one year of age before breaking into gold.
Not a fault if within the age bracket for the "trait".
Meaning, it's not a fault if the pup is still young, and hasn't reached adulthood???
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Actually it isn't listed in the standard as a fault.
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Faults - Heavy ticking on Blenheims or Tricolors, white marks on Rubies or Black and Tans.


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Why isn't it considered a fault if the standard states "There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan"? Wouldn't it be a fault if it wasn't so??
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This puppy is not a show dog, but has the black hair mingled in the top knot.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/att...4&d=1187831330

That is one adorable yorkie .... I'm in love ....
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All pups go through a stage where there is black or blue on the head and face as they mature. The head clears to shaded gold when the dog is mature. Occationally one will not clear completely. I felt rather sad when Connor's cleared, I loved the dark streak between his eyes.
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I have a quick question about color faults. In the AKC standard for the Yorkshire Terrier, it states, "There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan." I often see pictures of dogs that are being shown that have black hair mingled in their top knot. Is that not a fault? I guess I must be confused somehow..
This is what I mean. This puppy is not a show dog, but has the black hair mingled in the top knot. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/att...4&d=1187831330 - AMD
This is just a puppy and still going through the change at this time. I know this pup and breeder and what a beautilful pup here in this photo.

You do have to know the standard to evaluate your dogs. But as stated before - there is not perfect yorkie. You have to judge the whole dog. I would rather have a yorkie with a sooty head than bad bone structure.
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What most people fail to realise is that the standard is identifying a full adult dog (2 years of age). Yes the it states no intermingling of black hair, but since some yorkies obtain their Championship way before the age of 2....some still have the black mingled in. What should be considered is this is just a fault and not a DQ.
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If they list things such as this as a fault in the standard you would have some judges who would DQ that pup with the thumbprint which is perfectly fine to have as a pup. Also I have found the ones that cleared that topknot thumbprint to fast end up way to light in the blue color on the body.
The Yorkie standard is one of the hardest in my own opinion because some many things in the standard can be read so differently by who is reading it and interperting it.

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If they list things such as this as a fault in the standard you would have some judges who would DQ that pup with the thumbprint which is perfectly fine to have as a pup. Also I have found the ones that cleared that topknot thumbprint to fast end up way to light in the blue color on the body.
The Yorkie standard is one of the hardest in my own opinion because some many things in the standard can be read so differently by who is reading it and interperting it.

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But, it really isn't listed as a fault....it only describes the standard. The only DQ that is listed is the white that is longer than an inch.

It is a very difficult standard to decipher.....I've had conversations with judges that feel the same way. It leaves much to the eyes of the beholder. So, therefore judges, judge according to their preference in yorkies.

As you say, I've seen judges put up puppies that have cleared much to young. Those judges are unfamiliar with the breed and don't realise that those puppies are going to get very, very light.....They also don't take into consideration, the coloration of the gold is inclusive of 3 shades of gold.

In my opinion, too much emphasis is given to the coat and not enough to structure. But, then again it states in the standard, right up front, coat is of prime importance.

It was once suggested by a YTCA member to change the standard to the illustrated standard, which is detailed and doesn't leave much room for your own interpretation.....it spells it out.
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But, it really isn't listed as a fault....it only describes the standard. The only DQ that is listed is the white that is longer than an inch.

It is a very difficult standard to decipher.....I've had conversations with judges that feel the same way. It leaves much to the eyes of the beholder. So, therefore judges, judge according to their preference in yorkies.

As you say, I've seen judges put up puppies that have cleared much to young. Those judges are unfamiliar with the breed and don't realise that those puppies are going to get very, very light.....They also don't take into consideration, the coloration of the gold is inclusive of 3 shades of gold.

In my opinion, too much emphasis is given to the coat and not enough to structure. But, then again it states in the standard, right up front, coat is of prime importance.

It was once suggested by a YTCA member to change the standard to the illustrated standard, which is detailed and doesn't leave much room for your own interpretation.....it spells it out.

Exactly, as I said before in my previous post. If it was listed as a fault

I agree that too much is put onto the coat, prime importance in my opinion should be structure.

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Some times judges put up a dog that is not standard at all, in many areas, but are giving it the benefit of the doubt that it will mature correctly! Many prove the judges right and others do not, that is why you see champions with some not so ideal traits..
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Some times judges put up a dog that is not standard at all, in many areas, but are giving it the benefit of the doubt that it will mature correctly! Many prove the judges right and others do not, that is why you see champions with some not so ideal traits..
But Pat, Aren't the judges suppose to be judging the dog on that day, against others in the ring. Not for what they may mature out to be.

Now I've had my pups put up on many occassions, however, maybe they shouldn't be. Since the standard is based on an adult dog.

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